Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10365 times:
That livery is ultra retro on a 773ER. I kinda like it.
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BoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 18 Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10337 times:
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9934 times:
does that mean it will be the end for now for their -200LR order? shame considering that Boeing painted 9W's tail on their 777-200LR around the world tour.
WestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9862 times:
I have probably been under a rock for the last three months. Sorry.
Wasn't the order mix supposed to have been six -200LRs and four -300ERs ?
When did that change ?
(Edited for clarity)
[Edited 2005-10-04 20:18:22]
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Quoting WestWing (Reply 7): I have probably been under a rock for the last three months but wasn't the order mix supposed to have been six 200LRs and four 300ERs ? Was there a change ?
You got it. I think 9W changed their minds between the time they announced the order and the time they signed the final contract. That's 9Ws perogative I suppose. Nonetheless it's still excellent news for both Boeing and 9W! I don't discount the possibility of them buying the 772LR later on.
WestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9570 times:
But can 9W operate unrestricted BOM to North America non-stops with -300ERs ?
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Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9379 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 11): 777-300ER routes to North America
sure about LAX? it seems as if its stretching the -300ER to its limits!
Karan69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2784 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9296 times:
Quoting 747400F (Reply 6): so how do you explain Kingfisher and Air INdia Express? They are rather "odd" - at least compared to Jet
I cant explain AIX but as for KingFisher, their logo is the same as on their famous beer bottles.
Coming to the topic, the 777-300ER seems the best bet nowadays and the timing of a 2007 arrival could'nt be perfect especially since the lease on the SA 343 should be ending around that time and as mentioned by 9W the 77W would immediately replace them on the BOM/DEL-LHR terminators and are going to be used for USA expansions.
What USA destinitions we shall be seeing in about two years.
Also can the 77W make BOM-JFK profitabally without any range and payload issues, non-stop.
Ofcourse the 332 are reserved for secondary Indian markets and to service EU and S.E. Asian destinations.
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5): does that mean it will be the end for now for their -200LR order? shame considering that Boeing painted 9W's tail on their 777-200LR around the world tour.
Really sad indeed, but then good for AI in a way as they will be able to perform routes like IAH/SFO non-stop from their BOM/DEL hubs.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8486 times:
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 13): Really sad indeed, but then good for AI in a way as they will be able to perform routes like IAH/SFO non-stop from their BOM/DEL hubs.
true, as long as some come to SFO with it, I won't complain..but I would have enjoyed seeing some 9W's grace the 28's @SFO....
N60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 28 Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8127 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 14): Well, they were supposed to start BOM-BRU-EWR service this past June, but something happened to mess things up, unfortunately.
There is that pesky lawsuit they have with Jet Airways Inc. which has prevented them from getting USDoT approval to operate to the US. It appears that the resolution to this problem is not too far away and they may start the BOM-BRU-EWR route from late October:
COEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 305 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7212 times:
Quoting N60659 (Reply 16): It appears that the resolution to this problem is not too far away and they may start the BOM-BRU-EWR route from late October:
They are already listed among the airlines that use Terminal B at Newark Airport on all public signage.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5435 times:
Quoting WestWing (Reply 7): Wasn't the order mix supposed to have been six -200LRs and four -300ERs ?
When did that change ?
When the 77W got range upgrades
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12): oting N328KF (Reply 11):
777-300ER routes to North America
sure about LAX? it seems as if its stretching the -300ER to its limits!
It is more than 400nm less than the max range, so it should work
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 13): Also can the 77W make BOM-JFK profitabally without any range and payload issues, non-stop.
Most likely
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Pomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5404 times:
Non-stop for the sake of going non-stop seems to be losing favour lately. Especially with the Indian market.
A mid-way stopover is not just perceived as "of value" by many who comprise the traffic on this route, but also essential from the health and sanitation point of view.
Moreover, even with city-pairs between India and North America like BOM-xyz and DEL-abc, a large number of passengers would end up going beyond.
The thinking with at least one airline here in India is to try to run "multiple scissors" in and out of one-stop points in Europe and the Far East. BA and LH have been doing it for decades.
And with the increased advent in larger numbers of the high-spend Indian tourist, expect way-point stopover counties and their airports to pitch for Indian stopver business in a big way. Brussels is just the first, seems Seoul is working hard at it too.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5061 times:
Quoting Pomnath (Reply 19): but also essential from the health and sanitation point of view.
What are you talking about? There are longer flights than these already and they have no such issue
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Sammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1686 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4933 times:
Quoting 747400F (Reply 6): so how do you explain Kingfisher and Air INdia Express? They are rather "odd" - at least compared to Jet
What the Indian consumer expects and what an airline paints on its planes are two different things. Not all will bow to the the consumers expectations of livery. Nothing wrong with trying to change that expectation.
Pomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4861 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 22): N1120A From France, joined Dec 2003, 6947 posts, RR: 70
Reply 22, posted Wed Oct 5 2005 08:03:15 UTC+2 and read 148 times:
Quoting Pomnath (Reply 19):
but also essential from the health and sanitation point of view.
What are you talking about? There are longer flights than these already and they have no such issue
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I know there are longer flights, and I have been on a few, as I am sure have you and many others too. I don't want to do a TPE-LAX or HKG-LAX again, would rather go via ICN or NRT, when originating from DEL or BOM, for example.
In most cases such flights (trans-Pacific, for example) are operated because mid-point stoppages of tourist interest don't exist. In the few where they do exist, the one-stop options have not folded up (Toronto - Delhi, Singapore - Los Angeles, for example) in fact they do better.
Research and validation on effects of ultra-long range flights is still a young subject, but there is enough on the topic to generate a healthy debate on whether such flights are good for crew as well as passenger health or not.
Especially for passengers travelling economy in cramped conditions. And that is what fills up the plane, not the First/Business or Crew beds.
And let us not even start talking about what the interiors of an aircraft running full on ANY route in the world feel and smell like after a 12 hour flight. Leave alone 16-18. One baby with a bad stomach is enough.
25 N1120A: Um, you would be hard pressed to prove to me (or to Qantas) that LAX-HNL-SYD has ever done better that LAX-SYD non-stop (or other variations there of
26 Cricket: I really don't understand how people like 9W's retro livery - I think Jet's aircraft look rather boring. Then again, I end up seeing them a lot more o
27 Ikramerica: I like it on the 773 because it is a livery you'd expect on an old 747 or DC-10 or 707, so seeing it on a new plane like the 773 is "cool" while it is
28 BHXDTW: Why does everything have to route via LHR ? or FRA ? I thought 9W had plans for BHX !!.. Couldnt they use BHX as a jumping off point to the americas i
29 WhiteHatter: I don't explain it because I'm not Indian. He said to me that Indians have certain tastes, which is one reason why Air India's livery is the way it i
30 Cornish: I reember Air India's new livery from the early 90s I think.. Much more modern looking, they painted a couple of Airbus's and 747s in it I seem to re
31 DAYflyer: Great news for both, but I too am confused over the 200LR issue. Is taht now a dead order, supplanted by this one?
32 WestWing: But Boeing had announced the 7880nm -300ER long before 9Ws announcement of six -200LRs. So I still think something else changed at 9W. Don't get me w
33 N328KF: Equipment swaps, I can understand. The maintenance issue doesn't make sense, since there is very high commonality between the two.
34 HAWK21M: Looks good in the 9W Livery. I wonder why not B772LRs. What type Engines on the B773ERs. regds MEL
37 MIAMIx707: I haven't seen a Kingfisher airplane yet and I can tell you that boring livery would look pretty lame on a 777-300. It seems to me, they didnt get br
38 Abrelosojos: = This does not mean much. 9W signs have been in place since end June @ EWR. -A.
40 MIAMIx707: that looks quite ok on the A380 since the red part seems too thick, so does the gold stripe making it look nicer. Let's see a real pic from the side,
41 HAWK21M: Not when its parked on the Tarmec at BOM. Its Not regds MEL
42 Pomnath: I have just received relevant parts of the findings of an ICAO seminar "Asia-Pacific ICAO, `Aviation Medicine and Personnel Licensing’. It covers a
43 Stirling: And here's another way of looking at them. Routes To India Polar View Which will all become possible due to new rules allowing more use of Russian ai
44 TRVYYZ: Did anyone notice that the grey belly is misssing, that's why this 9W scheme is looking much better. Time to paint the belly white.
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