Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 6 Posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1134 times:
On last night's news (Chubu Broadcasting Corporation), former Toyota Motor Corp. executive and current president of the Central Japan International Airport Co. Ltd., Yukihisa Hirano, stated they were sad that AA had decided to discontinue service. He then stated that they have already started discussions with other carriers to replace the service.
Now, I translate this in two ways:
1) They are looking for a carrier to do NGO-ORD. This could really only be replaced by 3 carriers; UA, JL and NH.
2) They are looking for a carrier to do NGO to a gateway in the U.S. This could be any U.S. carrier, NH or JL or any Asian Carrier with 5th Freedom to the States (Are there any?).
NH has stated its interest in doing NGO-SEA. This is a popular tourist route and would also be an "Aerospace Engineer's" flight as Mitsubishi Heavy, Fuji Heavy and some other Boeing Contracts are in the Chubu region.
Any ideas or rumors on what could happen? Who could get this route? What could be a new destination?
I am looking for an article but all I have is what I heard last night.
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STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 10295 posts, RR: 41 Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1104 times:
When CO takes delivery of their 787s they will most likely be looking at further expansion into Asia from EWR and IAH, EWR-NGO with a 787 would do well (IMO).
"makes much more sense to live in the present tense"
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1048 times:
When the 787 comes online I can bet that NGO will see a lot of them. NW, CO, NH and JL will probably use them here.
To me, NGO is like some of those thin markets in Europe. Some big planes are needed for service here but most of the time...small planes do the trick. KE, CI, NH, OS and JL all use 737s out of here for some routes.
Currently I hope that NH picks up the route to ORD. UA could do it but I doubt they would. NW can't do it I think. CO and DL...nope...US...Pigs can't fly yet.
If they are only looking or a new gateway to the states. It will need to be in the Midwest or the East Coast. This could be CO or DL. CO could do it, but I think they are happier doing the HNL and GUM routes from here (less risk). DL wants more Asian presence...here is a small chance. US...Pigs still are not flying.
[Edited 2005-10-05 02:26:58]
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JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2129 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 912 times:
UA could fly from ORD to NGO. To fill the plane they could extend it to Manila (not served by them so far) and make NGO a scissor hub with ORD/SFO-NGO-TPE/MNL.
Another option could be SQ and a comeback to ORD. SIN-NGO-ORD could work for them.
We won't. It was a great surprise that they started service here. It was a great move I think at the time, but sadly it didn't work out for them. If they had 5th freedom rights from Japan, they would have made out a little better.
With so many airlines bypassing Japan and doing direct, I feel that we could see the Pacific rim turn into something like how the European Market is turning out. We have AA and CO doing 757s to Europe now and in the future it will be 767s, A330s and mostly 787s doing the thin routes to Asia.
NGO is just the beginning. I can see Fukuoka, Sapporo, Pusan, and a host of other smaller markets getting direct service to the world.
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AA54Heavy From United States, joined Nov 2003, 189 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 826 times:
Interesting....if the NGO-ORD service was so important to them, its kind of funny that AA is no longer serving it...I realize that perhaps AA is not their preferred carrier, but couldn't there have been some sort of contract set up (ala RDU-LGW for AA)?
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 750 times:
Quoting AA54Heavy (Reply 7): Interesting....if the NGO-ORD service was so important to them, its kind of funny that AA is no longer serving it.
Not sure if it was NGO-ORD as much as expanded North American connections. We only had NGO-DTW and NW was milking it big time. The prices at low season were always muchl higher than NRT or KIX. I could sometimes take the shinkansen to KIX and fly out, fly back, stay at the Nikko and take the shinkansen home for less than a direct NGO-DTW.
With the opening of Chubu, the management made it their goal to increase international routes to keep competitive with NRT, KIX and ICN. Research showed that passengers from Fukuoka, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and even Osaka going to Europe and North America were taking KE via ICN. It was cheaper and offered better connections. (ICN is only 90min flight from NGO)
Chubu wanted to apply a little pressure and give Japanese the option of flying from Japan to the rest of the world. Being in the top 10 economic regions in the world, they figured it would work for the business traveler too.
Now Chubu, I feel will reexamine their position and do what is needed to have a lasting route competitive route to the East Coast or Midwest.
In the end, whatever airline that does it has to have a good schedule and connections. They need to have rights to locations beyond NGO.
JoFMO:
Those are all possiblilities. NW would be upset if UA did ORD-NGO-MNL. It has a nice corner on the MNL-US market now with DTW-NRT/NGO-MNL. As for NGO-MNL flights we have NW 1x Daily, JL 4x weekly, and PR 4x weekly.
If SQ did this route...I would fly it in a second. But I think SQ is going for more Direct to SIN.
In that case HKG-NGO-ORD on CX or BKK-NGO-ORD on TG might work.
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Jacobin777 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 12774 posts, RR: 57 Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 725 times:
Quoting Centrair (Reply 9): Not sure if it was NGO-ORD as much as expanded North American connections.
from what I read in a previous thread, the Y-class seats were packed, but the F and J weren't.....and AA pulled out because the revenues weren't too good..which leads me to believe that fuel costs were too hight....but if AA went with the 787, I think they would be able to make that route more profitable..look for them to get back on that route if they order the 787 or if the price of fuel drops substantially.
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 526 times:
I didn't realize UA831 started in ORD!
I wonder did UA move up thier start date to be a little more competitve with AA? They were originally going to start it in June but then changed it to May. AA started in April.
So that would mean that maybe NGO management would be looking for another destination in North America. Any ideas?
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Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 15657 posts, RR: 49 Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 373 times:
If premium yields weren't great into NGO, you need a two-class carrier on it instead. CO/NW/DL. DTW, EWR, IAH or ATL. can't see IAH, as competes with NRT on limited traffic. EWR might work but does CO have the planes? ATL, same problem. But NW to DTW might work. They have various Aircraft types to use depending on many factors, unlike the other two.
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Cubsrule From United States, joined May 2004, 8856 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 320 times:
Quoting Centrair (Reply 13): didn't realize UA831 started in ORD!
UA 830/831 has an equipment change both directions at SFO. I believe the ORD-SFO portion of 831 is a (domestic) 763 and the domestic leg of 830 is a 752, but UA changes equipment on the route so much that I can't keep track.
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