MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 30437 posts, RR: 77 Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4503 times:
Continental Airlines has been awarded seven weekly frequencies to begin Houston-Buenos Aires service this fall, beating out Delta's New York City-Buenos Aires application:
Continental will be the fourth US airline at the Argentine capital.
US-Argentina services:
Atlanta-Buenos Aires: 1x DL
Dallas-Buenos Aires: 1x AA
Miami-Buenos Aires: 2x AA, 5w AR, 1x LA (starting this winter)
New York City/JFK-Buenos Aires: 1x AA, 3w AR (via MIA)
O'Hare-Buenos Aires: 1x UA (seasonal)
Washington Dulles-Buenos Aires: 1x UA
B742 From Spain, joined Mar 2005, 3754 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4307 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter): Atlanta-Buenos Aires: 7x DL
Dallas-Buenos Aires: 7x AA
Miami-Buenos Aires: 2x AA, 5w AR, 1x LA (starting this winter)
New York City/JFK-Buenos Aires: 1x AA, 3w AR (via MIA)
O'Hare-Buenos Aires: 7x UA (seasonal)
Washington Dulles-Buenos Aires: 7x UA
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5643 posts, RR: 47 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4284 times:
Quoting B742 (Reply 5): What aircraft are used on these routes?
Atlanta-Buenos Aires: 1x DL (B767-300?
Dallas-Buenos Aires: 1x AA (B767-300)
Miami-Buenos Aires: 2x AA,(I think B777-200) 5w AR (I think A340-200), 1x LA (I think B767-300)(starting this winter)
New York City/JFK-Buenos Aires: 1x AA (B767-300, 3w AR A340-200(via MIA)
O'Hare-Buenos Aires: 1x UA (seasonal) (B767-300)
Washington Dulles-Buenos Aires: 1x UA (B767-300
HBIHLtoEZE From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 277 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4196 times:
Great to see CO fly to Argentina...if they offer some good deal I might take them on the (well, admittedly rather akward) routing ZRH-EWR-IAH-EZE when flying next time there.
What route are they taking the 762 ER from?
Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life.
COfaninBOS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3866 times:
CO's press release a few months ago indicated they wanted to begin the service in Nov 2005 with a daily 767-200 that would fly EWR-IAH-EZE.
However, I really can't see it starting that soon since the decision for the route authority seemed to take a bit longer than expected. Would be nice to see it start in time for the holiday season though.
MD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3066 posts, RR: 63 Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3769 times:
Quoting Avianca (Reply 6): Miami-Buenos Aires: 2x AA,(I think B777-200) 5w AR (I think A340-200), 1x LA (I think B767-300)(starting this winter)
Miami - Buenos Aires: 2x AA (777-200ER and 767-300ER), 5w AR (747-200 (-400?), A340 (one of the flights that goes to New York). And no it's not LA, it's 4M - LAN Argentina.
Glad to see CO in Buenos Aires.
Cheers!
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie
There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 30437 posts, RR: 77 Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3445 times:
Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 14): That's great and all but how about giving Argentina it's well deserved CAT 1 status so Argentine airlines can compete fairly??
I agree that Argentina should get it's CAT 1 status back. It is ridiculous that Argentina, which in most all respects a modern, first world nation, is given a Cat 1 status.
However, it is not unfair. The Argentine government and aviation authorities have every right to create the same restrictions on US airlines, but they chose not to.
Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 33 Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3323 times:
As usual, thanks Mark for the info.
It is actually nice to see a new service from Houston to Argentina. Delta's offer would not have changed the market in big terms. Thus far two airlines already serve New York City from Buenos Aires, besides all possible connections through different hubs in Latin America, such as Bogotá, Panamá or São Paulo.
On the other hand, Continental's proposal not only does offer a new link between the USA and Argentina, but is also interesting because of their big gateway in Houston, with hundreds of possible, almost-immediate connections to other points of both the US and the rest of the world. Add to this that, with Continental, Buenos Aires gets a new, one-stop flight to Newark.
Quoting TBCITDG (Reply 14): That's great and all but how about giving Argentina it's well deserved CAT 1 status so Argentine airlines can compete fairly??
Completely agree. It is absurd that the CAT2 status remains, but it has got lots to do with American Airline's strong lobby in Washington. Aerolíneas already expressed it is looking forward to fly from Buenos Aires to Los Angeles, thus borrowing passengers from other airlines that currently connect mainly in Dallas for flights to the West Coast. Bear in mind that EZE-DFW is a huge AA monopoly.
Saludos,
Marambio
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
AR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3288 times:
Yoohoooo!!Finally!!The fares war has begun!!(and that's obviously good for us passangers)
It's good to see this market growing so rapidly.Flights are with 90+ load factor.
Thanks for the news!!!
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4503 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3259 times:
Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 12): the decision for the route authority seemed to take a bit longer than expected.
True, but it was really two cases. The first was to pry the 7 dormant frequencies out of UAL's grasping hands (decided in July); the second was to award them to Continental. The DOT really didn't to too badly for a large government bureaucracy.
Also note, it's only a tentative award; the final decision is still a 2 or 3 weeks away.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11010 posts, RR: 64 Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2334 times:
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The today's Press Release from CO:
HOUSTON, Oct. 6 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) today announced it has received tentative approval from the Department of Transportation (DOT) to begin daily nonstop flights between the airline's hub at George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston and the International Airport Ministro Pistarini de Ezeiza in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Pending final approval, this will be Continental's ninth destination in South America and 78th Latin American/Caribbean destination. Continental's service will also include daily through flight service connecting New York/Newark Liberty with Buenos Aires.
"Argentina's economic upswing and its attraction as a tourist destination will make it a vital part of our Latin American route network," said Pete Garcia, Continental's Vice President for Latin America. "We are very pleased to have received this preliminary designation and look forward to receiving a final route award and announcing a commencement date once final authority is granted. Many travel partners, the federal, state, local governmental parties and our employees have supported our application for Argentina service; I would like to thank all of them for this major effort."
Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4503 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2295 times:
True, and yet I'm sure DAL will enter an objection and get ignored. It's something the airlines (especially AMR and DAL) feel they MUST do, although last minute surprises have been very rare since the old "White House review" rules were changed.
Still, CO won't begin public marketing until the decision is final.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4503 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
Ah-ha. CO today appealed to the DOT to shorted the answer period and award the route by Oct 19th or a December startup is in danger.
GNDOPS From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 41 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2112 times:
At the risk of sounding stupid or naive, what exactly does CAT1 status mean?
25 EZEIZA: Hola Gaston or so we think Correct me if I'm wrong, but the EZE-MIA flights of LAN were not going to have LV reg? There was a thread recently about th
26 ARGinLON: They seem to be always on strike. They remind of their AZ cousins...
27 Klwright69: My question is where is CO going to pull 2 767's for this new route. What flights are going to be downgraded to 757's. They are going to need to two s
28 Pdpsol: True, but AA is the ONLY carrier offering NONSTOP service to EZE from New York. DL was offering directly competing nonstop JFK-EZE in its request to
29 MD11junkie: AR has 2w non-stop, and 1w with stop at MIA due to lack of equipment. Sorry. Cheers! Gastón - The MD11 Junkie
30 Argentina: AR now has 5 weekly flight to USA: 3 weekly EZE-MIA-JFK 2 weekly EZE-MIA All operated with A340. When a third A310-300 arrives, AR will add more frequ
31 Pdpsol: Pardon me, but I meant DAILY nonstop service, which is what DL was offering in their DOT request. Believe me, AR could absolutely give AA a run for i
32 MaverickM11: This is a really surprising, yet seemingly smart move. If the US shoots Argentina in the foot, it doesn't help if Argentina shoots itself in the foot
33 MAH4546: All three weekly JFK-EZE flights stop in MIA due to aircraft shortages. This winter, 747s will be used on certain JFK-MIA-EZE flights.
34 MD11junkie: Oh, sorry Mark. I thought they were doing JFK-EZE nonstop 2w, and 1w EZE-MIA-JFK. Thanks for the info. Cheers! Gastón - The MD11 Junkie
35 MasseyBrown: When a foreign carrier applies to operate to the US, the DOT asks the FAA to assess whether the civil aviation authority of the foreign country (not
36 2travel2know: CM evenning PTY-EZE and morning EZE-PTY is a CO codeshare?
37 MyOthrCarsA777: Does anyone (maybe a CO insider) have any guesses when CO might make this route available for purchase, and whether or not they'll be up and running b
38 MAH4546: They indeed were, but the launch of EZE-BCN last month made it nessecary to combine all JFK flights via MIA.
39 MasseyBrown: The award is only "tentative," meaning that the DoT must give other parties an opportunity to object before the award becomes final. Last week CO app
40 ARGinLON: I noticed continental.com is already advertising job positions in Argentina. Would this mean CO got the final clearance from the DOT to start in DEC?
41 Iluv747400: " target=_blank>http://www.faa.gov/safety/programs_i...08183 That site shows that Argentina is a Category 1 country. It's the first country listed. Th
42 MAH4546: No, it doesn't. It shows CO's confidence they will, which they indeed will. Yes, as of today, Argentina is Category 1.
43 MAH4546: Delta did, of course, object, but it is now final: http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=357963&docketid=21949
44 Klwright69: Does that mean CO will initiate service before Christmas? What routes will be downgraded to secure the aircraft to launch the service? Will it be all
45 Dutchjet: 1. CO would lilke to get this route up and running for a 15 Dec launch; time is getting short, so we should know something very very soon. 2. EWR-EDI
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