Thepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7836 times:
Hey.
I was just wondering if anyone knew what the longest commercial non-stop flight is a the moment. I know there is SIN-EWR, and YYZ-DEL, but is that the record? What about in the past?
Thanks.
Airconti From Germany, joined Jun 2004, 148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7783 times:
Well, I think YYZ-DEL with 14:10 or DXB-JFK can hardly be matched by the 18:25 of SIN-NYC of SQ A345 or 17:10 NYC-BKK of TG A345. From my humble point of view, I think, it is hard to match the performance of todays or future A345 or B777LR'es with any past airliners, cheers, A.
BTW - Figures of planned flight times come from one of the common CRS's....
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7756 times:
The longest commercial flight is SIN-EWR
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Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6468 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7354 times:
Your criterion is distance, not time? If so, nobody's ever beat EWR-SIN.
A360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7233 times:
Quoting EK156 (Reply 3): Amen!!! But this is soon to be challenged by DXB-LAX
No it won't mate!
Even if EK starts flying that route using the 340-500, it's much shorter than the EWR-SIN run... it's even shorter than the SIN-LAX and BKK-JFK routes.
SIN-EWR: 15345 km / 9535 mi / 8285 nm
SIN-LAX: 14114 km / 8770 mi / 7621 nm
BKK-JFK: 13937 km / 8660 mi / 7525 nm
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7199 times:
.. on the other hand - if you are talking about flight duration rather than distance I don't think you can beat the PER-CMB flights operated by QF during WWII
During the War, Catalinas were also flown by QANTAS crews in the truly remarkable nonstop flights that crossed the Indian Ocean from Perth to Ceylon, a distance of 5,670 kilometers. Flights lasted almost 30 hours, and in recognition of the marathon flight, passengers were often handed certificates dubbed "secret order of the double sunrise."
not 100% sure these would qualify as commercial as most , but not all , of the pax were on military duty .
Imagine a 30 hour flight without AVOD !
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
no-one currently operates that non-stop ( although QF did a non-revenue publicity stunt with the delivery of their first 744 ) - but if Boeing come up with a 777 which will do this economically and if QF decide to buy it then , yes , it would easily beat EWR-SIN
( at least until either A or B come up with a plane which will do AKL-LHR nonstop )
[Edited 2005-10-06 17:48:36]
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EK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7035 times:
Quoting A360 (Reply 5): No it won't mate!
Even if EK starts flying that route using the 340-500, it's much shorter than the EWR-SIN run... it's even shorter than the SIN-LAX and BKK-JFK routes.
SIN-EWR: 15345 km / 9535 mi / 8285 nm
SIN-LAX: 14114 km / 8770 mi / 7621 nm
BKK-JFK: 13937 km / 8660 mi / 7525 nm
DXB-LAX:13420 km / 8339 mi / 7246 nm
Oppsss...you win!! Thanks for the info. Waow... SIN-EWR is quite long!!!
LUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6899 times:
Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 7): Will JFK-PER be possible in a few years?
Afraid not. The only possibility from New York to Australia is Brisbane and Sydney, with weight restrictions, at least according to Boeing's 777-200LR range.
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Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 27 Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6842 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6): .. on the other hand - if you are talking about flight duration rather than distance I don't think you can beat the PER-CMB flights operated by QF during WWII
During the War, Catalinas were also flown by QANTAS crews in the truly remarkable nonstop flights that crossed the Indian Ocean from Perth to Ceylon, a distance of 5,670 kilometers. Flights lasted almost 30 hours, and in recognition of the marathon flight, passengers were often handed certificates dubbed "secret order of the double sunrise."
not 100% sure these would qualify as commercial as most , but not all , of the pax were on military duty .
Quote: Depending on the weather and the load carried the flights lasted for 27 to 32 hours non stop. The Cats still hold the record for the longest (in hours) regular flight in aviation history. The Catalinas motto of "First and Furthest" cannot be argued with.
I would consider them commercial considering:
Quote: The five Catalinas used in these flights were flown by BOAC pilots from England to Ceylon where RAF pilots took over for the last leg to Perth. They then flew Qantas crews back to Ceylon to begin the shuttle service which operated for two years from 1943.
Trolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6801 times:
Throughout the Catalina operation (except for the above listed delivery service) the crews were Qantas. To save weight they used to photograph the mail and transfer it film, for later printing out. The passenegers were given a Qantas certificate that said "The secret order of the double sunrise" as the flights used to take off in the cool, still morning pre-dawn air from Perth's Swan River. Thus they'd see two sunrises while airbourne.
True the majority of pax may have military, but that would have been the case worldwide during the war.
TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3347 posts, RR: 30 Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6756 times:
I think that we will see LHR-SYD both ways some day. Maybe not yet, but I think that successors of the 777LR or A340-500 that use composite technology and even more advanced engines will be able to do that job with reasonable payload one day, if, and here is the big question, such an airplane will ever be developed which is not that likely given that the market might be too small... So in 30years we might see LHR-SYD non-stop...
RedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6714 times:
These mega-flights from the past never cease to amaze me - when the most modern jets are struggling to achieve 18h-duration flights in commercial service, WWII-era piston aircraft used to fly with passengers for getting on for twice the time. Goes to show the difference in fuel consumption per unit time, doesn't it?
Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6468 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6568 times:
I can't check any of this now, but the longest-distance-scheduled-airline flight record might go about like this:
1969? Aerolineas Argentinas starts showing a nonstop both ways EZE-MAD. If it really existed it was likely the record up until then.
About 1976: Pan Am took over with the 747SP. If JFK-TYO started first it was the record, but was soon replaced by SFO and/or LAX to SYD. That was the record until
Maybe 1992? when SAA started JFK-JNB eastward only, which was the record until they started ATL-JNB.
Nobody beat that until SIN-LAX started--was it February? Then later the same year SIN-EWR.
TP727 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6114 times:
Boeing says the 772LR can carry 301 in a 3 class configuration, as far as 9,200nm. I doubt that any airline would put that many people in flight that long, one of the reasons is that those are prime routes, with high yield pax, and those guys demand some level of comfort.
Let us say that with a 220 pax configuration, what would be the cargo available on a flight as long as SIN-EWR? Or how farther could the plane go with 80 less pax? Also, what configuration will SQ use on their 772LR (am not sure if they ordered it, i am assuming they did)?
I have heard that there´s a proposed 772ULR, but no figures on the range were given. Is that just a story or there´s any true on that?
At 10000nm very few destinations would be out of reach for that plane, but i doubt the market size for such acft is relevant to compensate expensive developments.
Hope i did not bore any of you guys.
TP727
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6099 times:
Quoting Timz (Reply 16): About 1976: Pan Am took over with the 747SP. If JFK-TYO started first it was the record, but was soon replaced by SFO and/or LAX to SYD. That was the record until
Maybe 1992? when SAA started JFK-JNB eastward only, which was the record until they started ATL-JNB.
Nobody beat that until SIN-LAX started--was it February? Then later the same year SIN-EWR.
Actually, prior to SIN-LAX, the longest commercial flight was EWR-HKG
Quoting TP727 (Reply 17): Boeing says the 772LR can carry 301 in a 3 class configuration, as far as 9,200nm. I doubt that any airline would put that many people in flight that long, one of the reasons is that those are prime routes, with high yield pax, and those guys demand some level of comfort.
Actually, the new range is 9420nm
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Goldfinger From Singapore, joined Jun 2005, 14 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5790 times:
There is no payload restriction on the SIN-EWR flights, only because there are only 181 seats aboard the A345. More than half the available capacity is used for business class pax.
Typical payloads are between 20 and 25 tons, which amply caters for pax and their baggage. One does not want to carry any cargo due to the costly nature of ultra long range flights. If you wanted to take on more fuel the penalty for uplifting 1000kg is 600kg, in other words one has to burn 600kg to provide for the 400kg that would be available at destination.
Hence profit margins are much lower for these flights.
The longest flight was 19hrs 25mins from EWR-SIN. We typically circumnavigate the globe on a 6 day operating pattern, operating eastbound from SIN and going east from EWR to SIN.
25 TinkerBelle: From everything I've read, the 777LR with auxirially fuel tanks (some have named it the 777ULR....U for 'ultra') will easily do LHR-SYD. Boeing is th
26 Redngold: The longest possible flight (but not economically viable) would be SIN-UIO. http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=S...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=
27 B2707SST: Auckland-Seville (10,766nm/12,389mi) is often given as the longest possible flight between two large cities. I never noticed that Vancouver, BC lies d
28 N1120A: What are you talking about? The very fact that there are only 181 seats and no F (specifically because the seats are too heavy) means the flight is p
29 Airlinelover: this thread has been done over and over.. TONS of times.. USE THE SEARCH FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!! Chris
30 Baw716: On the 777ULR, there would still have to be some payload reduction to get the range up over 10000nm to make LHR-SYD in both directions nonstop year ro
31 Goldfinger: It's a case of simple Math. If you decide to cram 300 pax into a 345 all Y class, you cannot charge a premium. Currently average internet fares SIN-L
32 Kiwiandrew: Hi Chris as has been stated to a number of other people throwing tantrums over what they see as unnecessary threads - if you aren't interested don't
33 Jacobin777: Widebodyphotog did some very good analysis on another thread...from what I was able to deduce (not his deductions), I would think QF (amongst others)
34 Timz: Yes, EWR-HKG likely was the longest flight at the time. What I meant to say was: when SIN-LAX started, ATL-HKG was the longest-distance flight that h
35 AwysBSB: VARIG would be a great A345 operator: the routes that could be served are MAO/NRT, REC/PEK and POA/AKL. That is what I posted at the thread “A345/A3
36 PHXinterrupted: 30 years? Where have you been? From what I've read, Boeing is currently modifying the 777LR to meet Qantas' requirements for this nonstop route.
37 UsAirways16bwi: At one time, wasnt the longest flight served by DL? It was ATL-Japan(cant remember what airport exactly, but i think it was NRT) using the MD-11.
38 UsAirways16bwi: At one time, wasnt the longest flight served by DL? It was ATL-Japan(cant remember what airport exactly, but i think it was NRT) using the MD-11.
39 A342: Which will change with the new 380ton MTOW version. No, just the 773ER. Nothing can beat SYX-ARI, 20004 kms ! http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=s...
40 Timz: No, ATL-Japan wasn't long enough. 20004 km is the maximum all right, but SYX-ARI is a few less than that. The GC Mapper is good, but not perfect.
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