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Will Jet Blue Ever Fly Across The Atlantic?  
User currently offlineRAMPRAT980 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 600 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

I've researched this topic and didn't find it anywhere on Anet. Jet Blue is currently a domestic flying airline. The one international stop they have is in the Dominican Republic. Does anyone know if Jet Blue has any plans of flying to cities across the Atlantic or possibly to Mexico or other destinations in the Carribean. I know with their current fleet of planes, flying across the Atlantic is out of the question. But with all the legacy carriers focusing so much attention on their international routes would it be a wise move for them ?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

Not without an order for planes that can do that, no.


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User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6778 times:

Jetblue wants to be kinda like WN, they told us during orientation that they don't have any plans for trans-atlantic flights.. not only that, the A320's don't have the range..

They applied for JFK-CUN..



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User currently offlineWerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6751 times:

No. But I bet we see Canada destinations popping up in the near future.

User currently offlineNASOCEANA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6732 times:

I think that JetBlue will be the first LCC in the U.S. to fly across the Atlantic! With all the legacy carriers restructuring the routing and the development of the 787 and A350, its inevitable.

The profitability of International routing and the increases in range will require LCC to take a hard like at flying across the Atlantic, if they haven't already!

Just my opinion,
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User currently offlinePropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6691 times:

YES! We already fly across the atlantic!



Okay fine, it's just delivery flights... it's still across the pond though  Smile

In all honesty, I can see it happening one day... way down the road


User currently offlineHunUtazo From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

They will have never become large enough to overcome what is yet to come soon, so very soon...


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User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6634 times:

Quoting HunUtazo (Reply 6):



Quoting HunUtazo (Reply 6):
They will have never become large enough to overcome what is yet to come soon, so very soon...

huh?  Confused



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6622 times:

Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 4):
I think that JetBlue will be the first LCC in the U.S. to fly across the Atlantic!

I thought that honor had gone to PeoplExpress.  Smile



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

B6 has applied for rights for CUN flights.


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User currently offlineNetworkDoc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6420 times:

If it's going to be commercially viable long-term, go for it, JetBlue. Just don't make the same mistakes the early LCCs in the US (and Europe) committed, and move away from your original business concept trying to be a jack-of-all-trades. As is often the case in this wonderful industry of ours, someone gets greedy and has visions of grandeur, destroying a basically good concept, when fast growth ambitions overtake sensible development decisions.


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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3353 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6414 times:

Neeleman was asked about this right in front of me at an informational session at Embry-Riddle a few years ago. His answer was a resounding no. Someone also asked about an A330, and again his answer was no.

With that said, B6 has veered off the original flight plan quite a bit:

1. Original plan was to go as far west as SLC . . . WOW! No California. Turns out they are the LARGEST carrier to California from NYC. And a large player in transcons from BOS and DC. Also have major ops in OAK and LGB.

2. No LaGuadia. Neeleman was pretty certain about this. Yet, five years later they are at LGA. If they could get more slots there, I'm sure they'd grow.

3. Single airplane fleet. Here come the 190s.

Who knows . . . I guess anything is possible, but if I was a betting man I'd say no.

PJ


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8028 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

I'm amazed they don't do Toronto - WestJet do YYZ-LGA so cross-border LCCs aren't unheard of.

And I can easily imagine jetBlue crossing the pond - they have awesome domestic feed, including California, and JFK is the definitive jumping off point for Europe. All they need is half a dozen A330s, and it's hello! to Stansted, Stockholm, Munich, Athens and Madrid. And goodbye! to Delta.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12771 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6296 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Not without an order for planes that can do that, no.

Summed up simply, B6 needs an aircraft *capable* of doing the trip before we start to speculate. IAE has done studies for a more efficient V2500 (new curved blade fan by RR, new high turbine by Pratt, new pre-diffuser into the combustor, other more minor tweaks). With that, a higher gross weight A320 could do trans Atlantic. Right now, the optional center fuel tank doesn't add range just because the engines have to burn too much fuel getting the added weight to altitude.

Or... Airbus could do a new wing tip treatment on the A320. This would have even more benefit as *all* aircraft have their lift/drag ratio get worse at high weights. Since the A320 has less range with the center tank than with it, I would guess that for this airframe the center tank takes the wing loading into a regime with extremely poor aerodynamics (asuuming near full pax load). The why's and what's would be pure speculation on my part. But that's part of the fun of a.net!  bigthumbsup 

In my opinion, a new B737NNG or A320NG that could do trans Atlantic with ~150 pax would absolutely rock the market. If B6 had an aircraft to cross the Atlantic, they would be doing it.

Quoting HunUtazo (Reply 6):
They will have never become large enough to overcome what is yet to come soon, so very soon...

 rotfl  Ah, the doomsayers. It wouldn't be a.net without them.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6284 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 9):
B6 has applied for rights for CUN flights.

Yeah? If you are flying over the Atlantic to get to CUN, you aint coming from the USofA!



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5052 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6279 times:

Cross-atlantic or international traffic in general requires higher fixed costs than allowed in the LCC structure. Very few city pairs can sustain pure point-2-point operations ... example NYC-LON ... and thats why you see several companies trying it already. However, for true international operations, a hub-spoke system is far more likely which would mean significant new costs (ex: setup of interline baggage, permission to operate, etc.).

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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6239 times:

US Airways is NOW the only "full service" LCC flying across the pond...  Wink

User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5151 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6016 times:

A friend of mine who flies for AA has asked WN pilots who ride in the jump seat about flying to Canada and Mexico. There are a number of reasons why WN won't do it, but costs of setting up operations in foreign countries and exchange rates are the two big ones.

Since B6 has their fares priced so low, any significant fluctuations in exchange rates could be a problem. Also, the cost of doing business in Europe is very expensive, particularly jet fuel and hotel rooms for crews. Even the per diems that crews are paid would be a lot higher.

I don't have the exact figures, but the per diems that AA crews get for Tokyo layovers are significantly higher than what domestic crews receive.


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5976 times:

Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 4):
I think that JetBlue will be the first LCC in the
U.S. to fly across the Atlantic!

You are one airline too late.  wink 


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

Quoting RAMPRAT980 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if Jet Blue has any plans of flying to cities across the Atlantic or possibly to Mexico or other destinations in the Carribean.

Mexico is already a go, with B6 applying for CUN. The Atlantic isn't in the future

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 4):
I think that JetBlue will be the first LCC in the U.S. to fly across the Atlantic!

I thought that honor had gone to PeoplExpress.

It did. Very good Westy

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 11):
1. Original plan was to go as far west as SLC . . . WOW! No California. Turns out they are the LARGEST carrier to California from NYC. And a large player in transcons from BOS and DC. Also have major ops in OAK and LGB.

I really can't see that considering how soon after start up they were in ONT, then LGB and OAK

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 9):
B6 has applied for rights for CUN flights.

Yeah? If you are flying over the Atlantic to get to CUN, you aint coming from the USofA!

The original post asked about BOTH the Atlantic and Mexico

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 17):
Since B6 has their fares priced so low

B6 does not price their fares that low actually, and also don't have the same fare structure of WN which allows for choice in fare rules. Sure, you can get a good deal, but you will just as often pay more (like with LCCs everywhere). B6 already has international stations and is planning more.

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5922 times:

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 18):
You are one airline too late.

Right, but your pix are of the wrong airline.  Wink



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

Yea so far B6 has SDQ and NAS and hopefully soon CUN. After that hopefully a little more Mexico destinations if the get is (Puerto Vallarta?) then hopefully Canada. But I think B6 will be going after Mexico and Caribbean before Canada.

For Trans-Atlantic, not now and not for a while. David Neeleman repeatedly says no. There was an article about a month ago and it they asked him, and well you guessed it, No.

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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 21):
Yea so far B6 has SDQ and NAS and hopefully soon CUN. After that hopefully a little more Mexico destinations if the get is (Puerto Vallarta?) then hopefully Canada. But I think B6 will be going after Mexico and Caribbean before Canada.

For Trans-Atlantic, not now and not for a while. David Neeleman repeatedly says no. There was an article about a month ago and it they asked him, and well you guessed it, No.

JetBlue possibly made a big mistake to avoid Trans-Atlantic, whether they admit it to themselves or not.

A fleet of say 8 A332s could support 6 destinations year-round. MAN, NCE, BCN, VIE... If legacy airlines are anything to go by, JetBlue sacrifices meaty profits by avoiding transatlantic cities from the classic European gateway, JFK. Neeleman missed the boat. He should still order A332s and get going. An A332 with all ultra-premium Y (210 of them, say) would be a compelling product for Joe/Jane Passenger.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

What about fleet utilization? An aircraft can't really feasibly do more than one Transatlantic round trip per 24hour period. If B6 needed A330's, etc, they'd lose their utilization on that fleet type. An LCC-type fare (yeah I know, B6 ain't THAT cheap, but they're not hauling first class pax either), and if they run it in an A320with no significant freight to support it either, isn't going to bring in enough revenue to cover crew costs abroad, fuel costs, and plane lease rates.

User currently offlineHunUtazo From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5764 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 13):
Ah, the doomsayers. It wouldn't be a.net without them.

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dude
25 BDABOY : There is a persistent rumour here in Bermuda that B6 wil be starting service JFK-BDA within a year.
26 SPREE34 : Light, he's another one of those teen (see profile) mouths that will draw fire until booted. Probably hasn't discovered women yet, or even worse, has
27 Tornado82 : And what end might that be? Got some proof, or at least something more than a vague threat that in this country is probably enough to draw Patriot Ac
28 Lufthansa : What about Peoplexpress? Didn't they go to LGW with 747-200s?
29 AeroWesty : See Reply #8
30 Gt1 : Cedarjet, I couldn't agree more. 2 years ago I predicted this very thing would happen within 5 years, Mr. Neeleman has 3 left to prove me right. I th
31 Post contains images Hotelbravo : Actually, the better part of a direct BOS-CUN routing is over the Atlantic, off the East coast of the US...
32 HunUtazo : ...a merger.
33 Tornado82 : Not that I'm buying too deeply into this... but with an airline that... well... let's just say they haven't had sex?
34 JFKLGANYC : "I really can't see that considering how soon after start up they were in ONT, then LGB and OAK" Before you say u cant see that, check your facts! "Ne
35 Islandboy : Really, considering where CUN is...I would have thought they would not hug the coast and burn more fuel unless traffic dictates otherwise.
36 Tornado82 : Is B6 overwater equipped or do they have to remain within the 30 (I think? Correct me if wrong) miles of shore like WN does/did.
37 OneSkyJet : My first post on A.net though I've been a browser for years. I found this question particularly interesting and thought I'd add a few thoughts. From a
38 Mir : That's got to be the best first post I've ever seen. Welcome to A.Net!! Somehow I don't see the 330 as a good plane for the NYC-Florida market. Perha
39 SJU767 : They stop flying to SDQ. However they fly to STI
40 LTBEWR : I would doubt it. Intercontinental services to the EC may also be subject to considerable limitations due to various treaties. It would require a 3rd
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