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User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

Here are some links for info on the upcoming expansion at SAT. Construction was supposed to start this past summer but was delayed due to some contracts having to be rebid to keep costs down.

www.sanantonio.gov/airport/yir2002.pdf

Scroll down to page three for a good diagram of the new terminal configuration. Furthere down are some good photos of the facility and of the remodel of both terminals that was completed in 2003.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/met...MYSA082805.4B.airport.2fe2773.html

I'll also post some info here about the current flight schedule at SAT for all airlines.

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User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Current flights into SAT per the Oct 2005 OAG and previous airline announcements:

# = Mainline
(#) = RJ
<#> = Commuter
* = Not yet started but announced

By Arrival City:

ATL - DL 6(3)
BWI - WN 2
ORD - AA 4 UA 2(2)
MDW - WN 1
CVG - DL 1(3)
CLE - CO (1)
DFW - AA 15
DAL - WN 15
DEN - UA 2(2) F9 2
DTW - NW 2
ELP - WN 4
HRL - WN 2
IAH - CO 10(1)
HOU - WN 10
MCI - XY 2
LAS - WN 4 HP (1)
LAX - WN 1 UA (1) AA 1*
MEM - NW 3
MEX - MX 2
MSP - NW 2
MTY - AM <2> operated by AeroLitoral
BNA - WN 1
EWR - CO 2
JFK - DL (1)*
MCO - DL (2) WN 1
PHX - WN 4 HP 1(3)
STL - AA 1(2)
SLC - DL 2(1)
SFO - UA (1)
TPA - WN 1
IAD - UA (1)*

By Airline:

AA - 21(2)
UA - 4(7)
DL - 9(10)
NW - 7
CO - 12(2)
HP - 1(4)
WN - 46
YX - 2
F9 - 2
MX - 2
AM - 2

Summary:

Airlines = 11
Cities = 31
Flights = 133 Total or 106(25)<2>

Interesting Facts - 47% of mainline flights go to just two markets, Dallas/Ft. Worth and Houston. The only commuter flights are international. No widebody service.


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2655 times:
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The only commuter flights are international.
Commuter as in prop?


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2650 times:

Yes prop...both are Saab 340's.

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2646 times:
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Also, market share as of end-of-year 2004:

WN: 35.1%
AA/Eagle: 19.1%
DL/DCI: 14.9%
CO/CoEx: 11.9%
UA/UAX: 6.2%
NW: 5.14%
HP/HPX: 3.0%
MX: 1.8%


User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Good stuff 200 and Flash!

It's certainly been a banner year for SAT. Hopefully the new routes will garner the support they need to survive. USAiways to Charlotte or PHL is probably around the corner - in the spring perhaps.

Has actual construction begun between T1 and T2?


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 5):
USAiways to Charlotte or PHL is probably around the corner - in the spring perhaps.

I hope your right. I'm looking forward to seeing some new paint in SAT. Also hoping for AirTran to ATL and I keep looking for the rumored AA service to MIA.

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 5):
Has actual construction begun between T1 and T2?

No activity yet...they should start fencing off the area by the end of the month. Southwest will take the new Terminal B.


User currently offlineMFEFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Thats Great for SAT expansion, and also going through, I just wish we had the same for MFE, atleast an update for the master plan.


Valley Approach.....
User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Great for Southwest moving into the new terminal. I guess with the two extra, non-used jetway positions near the WN gates in T1, it will be able to hold the rest.

From what I gather (heard), UPS will move to East Cargo soon freeing up that ramp for RONs. Continental will two semi-daily 757s RON in November.


User currently offlineLegion242 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

Very cool. I fly into SAT several times a year and have always dreaded the uphill walk from the terminal- I know it's not that bad, but an uphill walk is the last thing I want after flying  Embarrassment

Please answer a stoopid question for me though- whose code is HP? I am still learning all of them and this one is new to me.



Don't make me release the monkeys!!
User currently offlineMFEFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

does anybody know with this expansion, and still.....more room for expansion, if SAT will ever become some kind of a hub? maybe a small hub like CLE, or CVG, for a major airline.


Valley Approach.....
User currently offlineFlyBoy84 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 382 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

From what I understand, these initiatives were started under Kevin Dolliole, who is now Airport Director at STL.

I'm glad to see SAT getting such nice improvements. Terminal 1 looks like a first-class facility.

Hopefully, Mr. Dolliole can do something with STL that the previous director failed to do.


User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

HP - America West

I don't think SAT stands any chance of being a hub. Although way back in the late 70s Tejas Airlines had its hub in San Antonio - flying about 20 daily metroliners across south Texas.

Braniff referred to San Antonio as a hub in its Dec 15, 1978 timetable. This was the TT that introduced Braniff's ultimate demise however - as BN began a slew of post-deregulation routes they could not possibly be profitable flying. They were at this time flying nonstop from SAT to LAX, ORD and LGA (yep, LGA) among others.


User currently offlineLegion242 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 12):
HP - America West

Cheers!!



Don't make me release the monkeys!!
User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 8):
I guess with the two extra, non-used jetway positions near the WN gates in T1, it will be able to hold the rest.

You're right, there are two gates positions currently available so with WN's five there will be seven open gates when WN moves to the new Terminal B.

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 10):
if SAT will ever become some kind of a hub? maybe a small hub like CLE, or CVG, for a major airline.



Quoting ModernArt (Reply 12):
I don't think SAT stands any chance of being a hub

I agree, and with DFW, IAH, and HOU nearby it's just not going to happen.

[Edited 2005-10-06 17:11:49]

User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 8):
From what I gather (heard), UPS will move to East Cargo soon freeing up that ramp for RONs. Continental will two semi-daily 757s RON in November.

That will be very much needed as RON space is at a premium now. It will get even worse when the construction starts, as the Terminal B location is currently the prime RON space for most airlines. In fact we were able to get Schedule Planning to reduce our Saturday RON aircraft by one because of the lack of space.


User currently offlineLegion242 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Another stoopid question- what is RON?


Don't make me release the monkeys!!
User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

RON=remain over night

User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2241 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Isn't CO's Presidents Club in the old terminal? I guess they need space in Terminal A (formerly Terminal 1) to build one when they, AA, HP, etc. moves over.

Got to see some of the renovations in Terminal A - not bad, I like the metal clad columns and floating ceilings. And I've always loved the main terminal space with the high arched ceiling.

Terminal 2 just plain sucks, can't wait to see demolished.

Can't wait to see the renderings of the new concourse...



"On spaceship earth there are no passengers...only crew."
User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 12):
They were at this time flying nonstop from SAT to LAX, ORD and LGA (yep, LGA) among others.

I have a fairly large BN timetable collection....but for some reason cannot find the timetables from this period.
Didn't BN serve Phoenix first from San Antonio before DFW?
I remember more routes too...wish I could find that timetable; just goes to show you how short-lived the BN "Hub" in SAT was!
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Any discussion of Braniff genuinely makes me very sad.
Those that spent any amount of time in Dallas from the sixties to the seventies can probably agree. They were one in a million.
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When I was growing up, going to J.J. Pearce H.S. in Dallas (Richardson), one of the electives offered was "Private Pilot Training"!
Kid you not.
The teacher of the course was a Braniff pilot, gosh I wish I could remember his name. He came over once a week, when he wasn't scheduled to be flying.
His route was DFW-SAT-ACA-MEX-SAT-DFW. Us kids thought that was extremely glamorous! Acapulco! Wow! It was in the days before Cancun and Cabo....
Anyway, he brought over an old-school instrument trainer BN didn't need anymore; we set up it in what was once the instructors office off the classroom.
The last month of the course was spent at Addison going up in a Cessna 152.

Do public schools offer such courses anymore?
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So SEA is one of the top O&D markets without a direct/nonstop flight?
Hello Alaska?

Love that old-style rotunda, aren't many of those designs left. DAL had one, and of course who could forget them at ATL!?



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Braniff's New Routes Post-Deregulation:


Braniff's Pre-Deregulation Routes:



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User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 19):
just goes to show you how short-lived the BN "Hub" in SAT was!

I never knew BN's SAT operation was considered a hub. At its peak how many flights did BN operate out of SAT? Also, if I remember right, the first BN timetable to have SAN showed a route to SAT. The tt was orange and it was and I think it was sometime in '78.

Also, for the record, here is a list of other airlines that have operated mainline a/c out of SAT:

Braniff
Eastern
Western
Ozark
Texas International
Muse Air/Transtar
Pan Am
TWA
USAir
AirTran
Emerald
Western Pacific


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 20):
Braniff's New Routes Post-Deregulation

Thanks for posting that. So it looks like routes to IAH, MSY, DFW, PHX, TUS, and MSY. Was MEX also operated at this time?


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Quoting N200WN (Reply 21):
Also, for the record, here is a list of other airlines that have operated mainline a/c out of SAT:

Braniff
Eastern
Western
Ozark
Texas International
Muse Air/Transtar
Pan Am
TWA
USAir
AirTran
Emerald
Western Pacific

Add Conquest Airlines to the list!

Conquest Timetable Image



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User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 23):
Add Conquest Airlines to the list!

Although not mainline, still interesting. I've only been in SAT six years and would like to know more about the commuter flights that have been operated out of here in the past.


25 Drerx7 : Conquest used Metroliners IIRC and also flew down here to Houston (Sugarland) and Galveston at some point.
26 Post contains links and images Stirling : Yes. Here is an image of their International Plans! Your eyes are not playing tricks on you; Braniff wanted to fly DFW/IAH nonstop to Bahrain. The ro
27 Captoveur : I'll be surprised if the airport expansion actually happens. This city has a knack for screwing up anything involving large sums of money. Also, the a
28 MFEFlyer : Yea, I remember conquest at MFE back in '95, I remember when they would park next to gate 1, where customs is at
29 Post contains links Flashmeister : USAiways to Charlotte or PHL is probably around the corner - in the spring perhaps. US announced service SAT-CLT service on 21 August 2001... obviousl
30 N200WN : And surprisingly, it was redone in 2003 knowing that it would be torn down within 6 years, it was that bad. You're right, USAF BMT reception was off
31 Captoveur : That topic is currently a favorite of the local news.. A lot of the revamp was due to security changes post 9/11.. It was a dump, but I had been in m
32 Legion242 : Those old route maps are cool. What a/c would Braniff have used for the DFW-Bahrain?
33 ModernArt : Wow, so much SAT interest. The BN SAT-San Diego nonstop listed in the timetable, however I don't think it ever actually operated. Pretty sure BN was t
34 Thecamel67 : Uh, no not really. As somebody who grew up just south of 410 between Broadway and Nacodoches I can testify that we were not "rich." However we are wh
35 Captoveur : I guess Shavano Park and Castle hills don't count.. And actually, I went over Alamo Heights when I flew out of there in August.
36 N200WN : You're right it never did commence and I don't think the original BN ever served SAN. That would be cool to see. I wonder how many other US airports
37 ModernArt : All MX stations pre-1970 (LAX, MIA, ORD and SAT) probably saw Comet service at some point. Others? Using the photo search only photos of scheduled fli
38 Flashmeister : Also, the airport is surrounded by rich, white people (the ones the city government listens to). They are also the ones who bitch the loudest about th
39 N200WN : I dug up my old OAG from June 1986 to see how SAT has progressed over the last 19 odd years. Kind of surprising... 1986: Airlines = 14 Cities = 22 Fli
40 N200WN : Another update for SAT...Southwest will be adding some flights next February by increasing service to two cities and adding a new nonstop route. It ha
41 ModernArt : Hmmm, that's great. I have three cities in mind - two east, one west. Thanks for the update. Will be waiting to hear.
42 Stirling : In the words of Napoleon Dynamite......"Lucky!"
43 Post contains links N200WN : Passenger traffic is up this year in San Antonio - Latest info: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2005/10/17/story4.html
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