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NW A/C Reposessed In IND?  
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3690 posts, RR: 12
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8706 times:
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I am down here in IND and was just told by a Signature employee that last night a NW 757, and two Airbuses were reposessed. Also he said that another 757 will be reposessed tonight. Can any confirm or deny this statement?

I have also heard that the BAA in IND is holding a TransMeridian Airlines aircraft in its posession due to non-payments.

edited for spelling

[Edited 2005-10-06 21:29:33]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8545 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I am down here in IND and was just told by a Signature employee that last night a NW 757, and two Airbuses were reposessed. Also he said that another 757 will be reposessed tonight. Can any confirm or deny this statement?

It's only a few weeks into b/k... sounds fishy. Does NW even fly -57s to IND? A DTW turn?



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3690 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8507 times:
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NW flies wuite a few 57's into IND. They have over 50 flights a day out of here.


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8482 times:

IMO, any repossession at this stage in the procedings is highly unlikely...would require prior approval and an order by the bankruptcy judge, which certainly would have been widely reported in the media.

User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8459 times:
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Where at in IND were they re-possessed, because I work there too and Ihave not seen any NW 757s lying around today...There is that A319 that was sittin outside their terminal at 5:00 pm yesterday, but it is gone now. And I dont see anything on the ranp infront of the International Terminal....

I guess I would need to see the aircraft before I put any weight on this one.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
They have over 50 flights a day out of here.

Not anymore  Smile

But there is 757 service to DTW and MSP I believe. Or was anyway.



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User currently offlineJetCity61 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8295 times:

Here are the current NONSTOP schedules from Indianapolis per the Galileo-Apollo GDS:

IND-DTW | Detroit
NW 1821 M T W T F 608A 817A 319
NW 1006 S M T W T F S 718A 929A 319
NW 3763 S M T W T F S 905A 1123A CRJ
NW 1124 S M T W T 1015A 1225P D95
NW 1784 S 1227P 239P D9S
NW 1784 S M T W T F 1227P 239P D9S
NW 1404 S M T W T F S 136P 347P D9S
NW 3751 S M T W T F 405P 619P CRJ
NW 3751 S 405P 619P CRJ
NW 1014 S M T W T F 535P 749P D9S

IND-MSP | Minneapolis
NW 395 S M T W T F 635A 821A 320
NW 501 S M T W T F 825A 1018A D95
NW 1809 S S 1130A 116P D9S
NW 1809 T W T F 1130A 116P D95
NW 673 S M T W T F S 220P 410P 319
NW 505 S M T W T F S 409P 602P D95
NW 499 S M T W T F 612P 807P D95

IND-MEM| Memphis
NW 1873 S 700A 828A 320
NW 1873 S M T W T F 700A 828A D9S
NW 1875 S M T W T F 1115A 1240P D9S
NW 1877 S M T W T F S 505P 634P D9S

IND-MCO | Orlando
NW 822 S M T W T F S 725A 1040A D9S
NW 824 S M T W T F S 330P 643P 319

IND-FLL | Ft Lauderdale
NW 636 S M T W T F S 950A 137P D9S

IND-RSW | Ft Myers
NW 1228 S M T W T F S 750A 1114A D9S

IND-TPA | Tampa
NW 1076 S M T W T F S 150P 513P D9S

IND-LGA | New York
NW 146 M T W T F 630A 934A D9S
NW 4779 S M T W T F S 750A 1115A CRJ
NW 4777 S M T W T F S 140P 450P CRJ
NW 148 S M T W T F 426P 730P D9S

IND-DCA | Washington DC
NW 4792 M T W T F S 615A 900A CRJ
NW 4790 S M T W T F S 1125A 210P CRJ
NW 1596 S M T W T F 435P 705P D9S

IND-BOS | Boston
NW 4784 M T W T F S 600A 930A CRJ
NW 4786 S M T W T F S 1210P 340P CRJ
NW 4782 S M T W T F 340P 710P CRJ

IND-LAS | Las Vegas
NW 151 S M T W T F S 1002A 1203P 319

IND-LAX | Los Angeles
NW 205 S M T W T F S 705A 935A 319

IND-DFW | Dallas/Ft Worth
NW 2983 S M T W T F S 935A 1155A CRJ
NW 2985 S M T W T 400P 625P CRJ
NW 2987 S M T W T F 805P 1025P CRJ

IND-MCI | Kansas City
NW 4799 S M T W T F S 840A 1015A CRJ
NW 4778 S M T W T F S 220P 355P CRJ
NW 2907 S M T W T F 545P 725P CRJ

IND-PHL | Philadelphia
NW 4794 M T W T F 640A 945A CRJ
NW 4796 S M T W T F S 1020A 125P CRJ
NW 4798 S M T W T F 725P 1035P CRJ

IND-DEN | Denver
NW 1937 S M T W T F 520P 706P 319

IND-BDL | Hartford
NW 4767 M T W T F S 735A 1045A CRJ
NW 4769 S M T W T F S 650P 955P CRJ


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

Interesting.. I'd like to know if this is true story... aircraft reposession do not happen very often? I mean did any other airline like AA or UA had their aircraft reposessed?


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8071 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
NW flies wuite a few 57's into IND. They have over 50 flights a day out of here.

Something doesnt sound right, especially since the 757's dont go there, ATA on the other hand might.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3690 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7967 times:
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I know you are all a bit skeptical on this one, as am I, but last night when I came into IND I saw an NW 757-200 sitting in one of the hangars. It was in the complex that Republic uses. Whether or not this is all true remains to be seen, but more than a couple people who worked the night shift here said that the reposession happened, Boeing took the 757 and some other lease holder took the Airbi. Apparently Signature did the towing for them. I guess we have no way of finding out for sure if this happened unless we have an employee from NW in IND amongst us.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22309 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 9):
Boeing took the 757 and some other lease holder took the Airbi.

So 2 creditors repoed on the same night in Indy of all places? Sounds even more farfetched.



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7796 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 8):
Something doesnt sound right, especially since the 757's dont go there, ATA on the other hand might

Yeah, IND isn't popular for 757s... however, I believe America West did use their 757s on IND-PHX/LAS routes.

There are not many Airliners.net photos of 757 taken at IND.. I found two rather rare photos:


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United 757 - April 27, 2000
TWA 757 - August 2001



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User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7719 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 3):
IMO, any repossession at this stage in the procedings is highly unlikely...would require prior approval and an order by the bankruptcy judge, which certainly would have been widely reported in the media.

Right, the creditors in question would have had to petition for the automatic stay to be lifted as to those planes before they could rightfully repossess them, and that would have certainly made the news.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12063 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7641 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 9):
Boeing took the 757

That just doesn't make sense from a marketing prospective for Boeing, or Airbus if they have any leases with NW. Boeing was not one of the lease companies that wanted to repo the UA aircraft, nor was Airbus.

This early into the NW bankruptcy, I doubt they are very far behind in any of their leased aircraft payments.


User currently offlineGnomon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

As ContinentalFan said, the BK court imposed an automatic stay when NWA filed its petition. The automatic stay prevents repossession of aircraft collateral by any secured creditor without a court order.

It's highly unlikely that this early in the case, a creditor would move to repossess aircraft. If it did, it would have filed a motion and the media would've been all over that like stink on a pig, as they say.

Remember, too, that creditors truly have an interest in working with NWA to restructure its debt, and they recognize that NWA needs its operational aircraft to complete its restructuring successfully. I suspect that only an ill-advised creditor would seek to repossess collateral as significant as aircraft this early in the bankruptcy, before NWA has had virtually any chance to demonstrate its ability to restructure competently.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4522 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

In case anyone cares to see it I do have a pic of a NW 757 at IND. Took it earlier this year. Private message me and I'll send you the link to the pic.

Also TZ does or did have 757 service to IND as well. Don't know if US does or not.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

US uses 737s and rjs....i think UA used the 757s on some of the Denver flights before but i don't think they do now


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6566 times:

Quoting September11 (Reply 7):
Interesting.. I'd like to know if this is true story... aircraft reposession do not happen very often? I mean did any other airline like AA or UA had their aircraft reposessed?

AA hasn't, but will if one ends up in TLV. UA has had aircraft repo'ed rather recently, particularly 3 763ERs that they had to negotiate to keep



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User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

UA? I did not know they had any a/c repo'd. If theres a link to something that might have the dates and the aircraft that were taken. I'd like to look into that more. Thx

-Tony@PVD



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

Quoting Gnomon (Reply 14):
As ContinentalFan said, the BK court imposed an automatic stay when NWA filed its petition. The automatic stay prevents repossession of aircraft collateral by any secured creditor without a court order.

True for 90 days, I think, is the time limit. Maybe returned to lessors. But, I kind of doubt it.

M


User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Today (Friday) is the first hearing on Northwest's motion to reject leases on 13 aircraft and return them to the lessor(s). As has been said earlier, they cannot be repossesed yet.

User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5404 times:
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According to the BK filing, several planes (including 757s and 319s) that were rejected from lease were said to be stored/located at AAR Aircraft Services (ex UA Indianapolis Maintenance Center) in IND. The lessors probably came and got the ones that were already stored/located at this location as they were rejected from lease in the first filings, not active A or B planes.

User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4833 times:
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Section 1110 of the bankrutpcy code give special rights to acraft creditors and creditors but essentially it gives thei lessee (Northwest Here) 60 days to cure defaults that occur pre-bankrutpcy and 30 days for post bankrutpcy defaults. If a creditor suspects that their collateral is in danger of damage or loss it can go to the court for earlier action. Bottom line-absent a surrender of equipment or court order there was no repo man at the airport.

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

Does anyone know why that TWA 757 is unloading via airstairs instead of a jetway?

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Quoting N801NW (Reply 20):
Today (Friday) is the first hearing on Northwest's motion to reject leases on 13 aircraft and return them to the lessor(s). As has been said earlier, they cannot be repossesed yet.



Quoting Gnomon (Reply 14):
As ContinentalFan said, the BK court imposed an automatic stay when NWA filed its petition. The automatic stay prevents repossession of aircraft collateral by any secured creditor without a court order.



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):

So 2 creditors repoed on the same night in Indy of all places? Sounds even more farfetched.

Let's look at this logically folks. That following morning were there several cancelled NW flights out of IND? OR, were there several ferry flights showing up on the flight trackers? If RON-ing planes disappeared overnight, there would have been consequences. NW doesnt pigeon hole planes at IND for the fun of it. If there had been a plurality of repos as these rumors state going on, there would have been flights to replace that repoed lift... or flights cancelled. So, think about it that way, folks. If not it sounds like just a way to get the letters "IND" in the active threads of A.net again, it's been awhile since you all got to put on your skirts and shake your pom poms.  Wink


25 Dl757md : Looks like a charter to me. It's not uncommon for charters to emplane/deplane on remote areas of the ramp for the privacy/security of the customers.
26 LV : Anybody know the significance of the banner in the lower right corner of the picture reading "It all comes down to this"? I can't make out the logo on
27 Quickmover : A little off subject, but is that TWA 757 one beautiful jet or what?
28 Ilsapproach : The 757 is a great looking aircraft period..................and one of the most successful I might add, as well as one of the safest ever!! Not fond o
29 Post contains images Indy : I smell a good "AirTran @ IND" topic coming up. lol. Just for you
30 STLGph : interesting. i know that NWA ran a few 757's out of Indy and into Minneapolis St. Paul (morning) and into Detroit (mid afternoon) during the spring/s
31 Indy : I always thought that the TWA 757 that flew to IND looked cool especially with the darker color scheme.
32 Tornado82 : Hahaha. I heard AirTran, B6, and WN, NW are gonna compete on a RDU-IND run, and they all contracted with NW to do maintenance in IND by non-union NWA
33 Indy : Yeah.. I can see the headlines now... "NW launches widebody service between IND & RDU" lol "NW begins A380 saturday only service between IND & AMS" or
34 Post contains images AAFLT1871 : I was thinking the same thing Why is that?
35 Airplane : Excuse me, but as far as Im concerned, when an airline is on chapter 11, no one can reposes anything. Please correct me if I am wrong. JP
36 XFSUgimpLB41X : There are 3 757's parked in IND.... 2 have their engines off. They are to the west of 23R just to the north of the hangar where all the new EMB-170's
37 Unicorn : Under US Bankruptcy Protection laws aircraft are safe from repossession for 60 days (which can be extended by the courts). However, during that period
38 Nwajetset : Wasn't there a recent press release regarding this topic? I can't place it, but it seems to me that a week or so ago, there was mention of NWA "giving
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