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Boeing Hopes To "have Something Soon" On New 747  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5774 posts, RR: 47
Posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9052 times:

Sounds like we're getting ever so close to launch!

http://today.reuters.com/business/ne...NESSPRO-BA-TRANSPORT-BOEING-DC.XML


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User currently onlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9019 times:

Sounds like an upstage attempt and a poor one. Their upstage of the A380 first flight with the NW and AC orders was more effective.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5774 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8999 times:

Upstage what? They haven't announced anything nor did they say they are going to do so in any specific time frame. The coment about the 747ADV launch was in response to a question about it.


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 979 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8950 times:

>> NCY777 >> Upstage what? They haven't announced anything nor did they say they are going to do so in any specific time frame

The A350 launch, I suppose.


>> Gloom >> Their upstage of the A380 first flight with the NW and AC orders was more effective.

It is also expected that Boeing will announce a sizeable number of 787 orders in the next week or so. It's possible that QF could announce their order soon, which could be a decisive order for both programs.

If Boeing won QF and a few other customers, that would constitute an effective upstage attempt, in my opinion.


User currently onlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8902 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
If Boeing won QF and a few other customers, that would constitute an effective upstage attempt, in my opinion.

Agreed. If they actually launched the 747ADV with a big customer that would be the ultimate upstage. I am rooting for its launch BTW.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8702 times:

How many committments do Boeing need to launch this type? A series of orders each 5 to 10 frames from credit worthy airlines should be as good as a big order from one carrier.

User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8639 times:

Boeing has been promising something on the 747ADV for some time. It seems as though we have been on the cusp of a major announcement for more than a year now, I for one have fallen into the wait and see camp.

On the other hand many carriers that ordered the 380 are royally pissed at the delays. Could it be possible that Boeing may have poached a few orders from Airbus?



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2536 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8496 times:

While I really hope they go through with it (I'm a HUGE 747 fan), I'm really tired of the "decision coming soon" announcements from Boeing. Next thing I want to read from them is "747ADV launched." Until then, spare us the hype.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8456 times:

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 6):
Boeing has been promising something on the 747ADV for some time. It seems as though we have been on the cusp of a major announcement for more than a year now,



Quoting MKEdude (Reply 6):
I'm really tired of the "decision coming soon" announcements from Boeing. Next thing I want to read from them is "747ADV launched." Until then, spare us the hype.

Boeing has been trying to get the B-747-NG right ever since the failed B-747-500/600 screw-ups. They followed that with the Sonic Crusier, which they also flopped on.

They finally found their stride with the B-7N7/787, which really wasn't in development for to long (when compared to the A-3XX/380 in development for more than 10 years). Now they have only really been working on the B-747-ADV for about 18 months now. I believe it will launch by the end of 2005, but even if it takes another 12 months to work out the engineering details with what the airline customers wants, I can wait for that.


Quoting MKEdude (Reply 6):
On the other hand many carriers that ordered the 380 are royally pissed at the delays. Could it be possible that Boeing may have poached a few orders from Airbus?

I haven't heard that. What will most likely happen is the B-747-ADV will effect future sales of the A-380. Weather that effect is positive or negitive for the Whale, I don't know.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8389 times:

No, I doubt they poached anything. Most airlines who ordered the A380 need it as is. The one that ordered huge numbers are is no position to buy 747Adv as well, considering all the other aircraft coming on line for them and their competitors.

Those 140+ A380 orders are solid. It's follow-on orders that are going to be hard fought with the 747Adv.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6489 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8256 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
They finally found their stride with the B-7N7/787

The 7N7 is the 757. You mean 7E7.



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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8160 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 7):
While I really hope they go through with it (I'm a HUGE 747 fan), I'm really tired of the "decision coming soon" announcements from Boeing.

Amen! I do think, however, that rather than concentrate on reengineering the 747, Boeing ought to get into the 70-110 seat market.


User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8075 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 7):
Next thing I want to read from them is "747ADV launched." Until then, spare us the hype.

In the words of Monty Python..


LEFT HEAD: At least ours was better visually.
DENNIS: Well, at least ours was committed. It wasn't just a string of
pussy jokes.
OLD MAN: Get on with it.
TIM THE ENCHANTER: Yes, get on with it!
ARMY OF KNIGHTS: Yes, get on with it!
DINGO: Oh, I am enjoying this scene.
GOD: Get on with it!


GET ON WITH IT!

-iwok


User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 950 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7094 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 11):
Amen! I do think, however, that rather than concentrate on reengineering the 747, Boeing ought to get into the 70-110 seat market.

my guess is that you'll never see boeing in that market. both A and B seem to have surrendered that segment of the market to bombardier, embraer, etc.


User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 7):
I'm really tired of the "decision coming soon" announcements from Boeing.

No offense, but why should Boeing (or anyone else) care what a few A.netters think about its plans to launch (or not yet launch) a new aircraft?

It's definitely your right to be tired of Boeing non-announcements and you can fully exercise that right, but wouldn't it be easier not to have the expectation of Boeing in the first place?

SparkingWave



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User currently offlineTwinCommander From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

Quoting Iwok (Reply 12):

indeed sir  Smile


User currently offlineDhefty From United States of America, joined May 2005, 599 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

No matter what Boeing decides on the B747Adv, I can't see them selling a lot of the passenger version, but of course it would be somewhat of a drag on A380 sales for select customers. The B777-300ER is the way to go. Quads are going to become a rare species in the passenger market.

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13163 posts, RR: 100
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5316 times:
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Quoting ER757 (Reply 7):
While I really hope they go through with it (I'm a HUGE 747 fan), I'm really tired of the "decision coming soon" announcements from Boeing. Next thing I want to read from them is "747ADV launched." Until then, spare us the hype.

I agree! Sorry, but the airlines must be tired of this too.

Quoting Dhefty (Reply 16):
The B777-300ER is the way to go. Quads are going to become a rare species in the passenger market.

Have you become ConcordeBoy's padawan?  duck  I agree, but there are certain markets with the A380 and B747adv will make sense. Most of the 747adv will probably be freighters IF this project ever leaves the ground.

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 11):

Amen! I do think, however, that rather than concentrate on reengineering the 747, Boeing ought to get into the 70-110 seat market.

I would ague the 737NNG market is more critical. However, I do not expect a 787 derived airframe until the 787 has proven itself.


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8303 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

A chunk of future 747 Adv sales will depend on how the 380 turns out, both in terms of economic (and reliable) operations and in terms of the loads they get over time. Airlines are going to get some solid experience and are then going to decide if they made the right decision. For god or bad that happens with a lot of major purchases.

Personally I think that the 747 Adv hits a good size slot and will be a desirable plane for many airlines - just like the 380. I hope it does as I really enjoy flying the upper deck.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5249 times:

Quoting Dhefty (Reply 16):
No matter what Boeing decides on the B747Adv, I can't see them selling a lot of the passenger version, but of course it would be somewhat of a drag on A380 sales for select customers. The B777-300ER is the way to go. Quads are going to become a rare species in the passenger market.

I agree that quads will become rare in the passenger market, but not quite that fast. Boeing could easily sell 200 passenger versions of the B747Adv.


User currently offlineWiggidy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 113 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 14):
No offense, but why should Boeing (or anyone else) care what a few A.netters think about its plans to launch (or not yet launch) a new aircraft?

Unfortunately for B its not just A.nutters. At the Paris Air Show many people were dissapointed with the indecision on Boeings behalf. Remember alot of folks expected them to launch it at the show to trump the A380 spectacle. A lot of Americans I spoke to at the show were hoping for it and were dissapointed, and that was 4 months ago
-Wes


User currently offlineKlkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 8):
They followed that with the Sonic Crusier, which they also flopped on.

I don't think I would agree with that statement. The 787 is a result of the research and developement that was done for the Sonic Cruiser.


User currently offlineDhefty From United States of America, joined May 2005, 599 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5185 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
Boeing could easily sell 200 passenger versions of the B747Adv.

If Boeing sells 200 of those gas-guzzlers, they'll be dancing in the streets of Everett!


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 19):
Boeing could easily sell 200 passenger versions of the B747Adv.



Quoting Dhefty (Reply 22):
If Boeing sells 200 of those gas-guzzlers, they'll be dancing in the streets of Everett!

What makes you think of the B747Adv as a gas-guzzler?


User currently onlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 23):
What makes you think of the B747Adv as a gas-guzzler?

They guzzle lots of unburnt air for the bypass flow on those super-efficient engines.


25 Dhefty : Compared to the B777-300ER, which has only slightly less capability.
26 SparkingWave : Well, an air show is just that, a show. And when it comes to airplanes, it's substance over showmanship. SparkingWave
27 Post contains images DfwRevolution : >> Compared to the B777-300ER, which has only slightly less capability. Have you made such a comparison yourself? The 747-Adv has 20% more fuel capac
28 Post contains images Johnny : they hope to have...that is really funny. no idea why,but boeing seems to have problems to start new 747-versions since decades now... i think the mai
29 Art : Indeed. Would it not be cheaper to develop, and have higher sales than a pax 747ADV? I ask because I have no idea.
30 JAM747 : Is Boeing still considering a 777-400? I have heard about it before but is the idea completely shelved? If it is being considered maybe that is one r
31 Zvezda : Boeing has spent a lot of time studying both a B777-400X and the B747Adv. There are many advantages and disadvantages that have been covered here in
32 DfwRevolution : >> Is Boeing still considering a 777-400? To my knowledge, Boeing only completed a techincal study to see if a 773ER stretch was possible. They concl
33 Astuteman : I'm certain that back in April Boeing clearly stated that there were some key airlines making large aircraft decisions at the END OF THE YEAR, and no
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