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User currently offlineThai A330 From Thailand, joined Mar 2000, 102 posts, RR: 0
Posted (15 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

When airlines will begin retiring their early 747-400s ?

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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (15 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

With the exception of SIA and maybe BA I don´t expect that any airline will sell earlier 747-400s within the next 5 years when 747Xs, 747stretch and A3XX are on the market.
The 747 is in general the aircraft type that serves longest in any fleet and the "oldest" examples a just 10 years old by now. On top of that no 747-400 operator seems to be in danger of bancruptcy.
SIA already leased out two 744s built in 1989 which are flying with Ansett right now, they still have around 5 on order which will be delivered this year and in 2001. Maybe Ansett will take a few more early 744s of them then...

By the way do you think BA will sell some early 777-200s (non -ER versions) soon? They changed the engine type back to RR recently and the "non -ER-version" is almost out of production already.

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (15 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

I think we will see BA selling non-ER GE90 powered 777-200s soon because from earlier forums I have read, they are not happy with them. They had problems with the GE90s consuming large amounts of oil and other things.

User currently offlineThai A330 From Thailand, joined Mar 2000, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Thanks for all the informations. Does anybody know any www. where I can find some pictures of any white tails airplanes?

User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6811 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (15 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

I was told a few months ago that Cathay have said that they will start to retire our -400s in around 5 years. However, now that we are so desperately short of aircraft, I'm not so sure. Having said that though, 5 years is a long way away and who knows?!

Rumours are floating around that we may take some of the BA surplus 747-400s, which would be nice.

User currently offlineHisham From Lebanon, joined Aug 1999, 701 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (15 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Air france might replace its 7474 with 7773 as part of its fleet rationalisation program.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (15 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

I don't think BA will sell their five B777-200 NON-ERs soon, as they do a good job on the Persian Gulf routes. I flew on two of them and can tell they are equipped very well (New World Traveller, New First Class), so why retire?
Just because of the GE engines? Not likely, as they have a huge number of -ERs also flying with GEs. Before they retire those, the B742s will go,

User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (15 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

There's that bullshit GE90 statement again. I'm sure Air France, Lauda, and Continental have taken delivery and continue to take delivery of 777's with GE90's because they want trouble. I've read stats on engine performance in this class as well as the dispatch reliability and the GE90 is a good engine. Period. Anyone who has read (in full) ETOPS requirements and operational requirements of same will realize any engine certified to this standard is a damn fine machine. I am absolutely convinced the only original GE90 customer to change to another engine (BA) did so to get their millions in deposit money back from RR engines bought for 747's changed to 777's. Not to mention the political points to be scored. Look what happened under Robert Ayling's tenure at BA. They bought RR on their 777's and Airbus for their short haul. Coincidence?

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (15 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Seeing that no truly suitable replacement won't be fielded until the proposed 747-400X is "set" to take flight in 2002, I would say that no 747-400s will be retired by the airlines for at least another 5 years. I have also heard the CX rumor regarding the retirement of their 747-400s starting in 2005, but seeing their capacity constraints I highly doubt it wil come that early.

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