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Air Tahiti Nui Next Route? PPT-?  
User currently offlineFOLOV From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 170 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6047 times:

I really hope that they will open PPT-HKG , but that s me?
What do you think it should be and why?

[Edited 2005-10-07 12:43:05]

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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

I'm amazed they dont werve HKG already.

NRT or TPE maybe?



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User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

I think TN is going to take a little time off from expansion. Let their current routes grow (especially JFK-PPT).

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):

NRT or TPE maybe?

NRT is currently being served, as is KIX.

pilotitm747



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User currently offlineAndahuailas From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if they drop JFK before they add any new service. MEX would be a good choice, offering a very fast connection from MEX to SYD or AKL. LIM could also be interestig: AF served LIM-PPT back in the late 70s early 80s, as an intermediate stop to Tokyo.

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5855 times:

Quoting Andahuailas (Reply 3):
AF served LIM-PPT back in the late 70s early 80s, as an intermediate stop to Tokyo.

you've got me super confused... to LIM-PPT-NRT or what? CDG-LIM-PPT-NRT, thats a hell of a routing, or was it NRT-CDG-LIM-PPT ? or when you wrote tokyo you mean papeete?

'902



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User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

Quoting Andahuailas (Reply 3):
I wouldn't be surprised if they drop JFK before they add any new service. MEX would be a good choice, offering a very fast connection from MEX to SYD or AKL. LIM could also be interestig: AF served LIM-PPT back in the late 70s early 80s, as an intermediate stop to Tokyo.

Maybe they would be interesting, but would they be financially viable? Is there really that much traffic between Australia and Mexico or Peru? None of the south American carriers seem to be doing extremely well on their flights to Oz, suggesting that there's not a lot of need for more service from that part of the world. Also, Mexico is tropical, so you wouldn't have many passengers traveling to Tahiti for the weather.


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2462 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5786 times:

YVR, SFO, and perhaps LGW via JFK.....

MEX? I don't think so.



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User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5776 times:

LGW via JFK? Woud they be able to secure the rights for this route? If so, why LGW and not LHR? Couldn't they begin with codesharing on AA's JFK-LHR flights for the time being?

User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

I Would hope for TN to add extra European routes, maybe to LON or FRA?

I think HKG would be a good option for TN!

Are TN gettin any more aircraft?

Will TN ever get smaller a/c such as A320's?

Rob!  Smile


User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5732 times:

I don't see MEX happening. Increasing services to LAX and adding SFO would make them a player in the US-OZ/NZ market. Flying on to LHR/LGW from JFK, or codesharing would also be sound thinking. Speaking of codesharing, what are their chances of joining an alliance?


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User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

THey already code with Delta, Not American - they aren't in an alliance yet.

User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5664 times:

I'm pretty sure they code with AA. I know they are affiliated with the AAdvantage program. My sister flew them roundtrip last spring in business PPT-LAX using her AA miles.

User currently offline65captin From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5619 times:

Why not Vancouver Canada.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33053 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5596 times:

Quoting Willyj (Reply 5):
None of the south American carriers seem to be doing extremely well on their flights to Oz, suggesting that there's not a lot of need for more service from that part of the world.

Both LAN and Aerolineas Argentinas see very healthy profits on their Australia/New Zealand services.



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User currently offlineFewsolarge From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

Actually, the codeshare deal with Delta vanished silently. Neither airline mentions the other on its website. Anyone know what happened?

User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7271 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Both LAN and Aerolineas Argentinas see very healthy profits on their Australia/New Zealand services.

Absolutely - the fact is they are probably some of the most profitable routes in or out of NZ... The keyword here is cargo....


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

Quoting Willyj (Reply 5):
None of the south American carriers seem to be doing extremely well on their flights to Oz, suggesting that there's not a lot of need for more service from that part of the world. Also, Mexico is tropical, so you wouldn't have many passengers traveling to Tahiti for the weather.

Are you sure? Or you are just talking without facts??
I don't know LAN, but for AR the transpolar flight is one of the more profitables for the company.In fact they fly now 4 times a week.
And Aerolineas have being flying for many years, I think 20 to New Zealand.

USADreamliner


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 8):
I Would hope for TN to add extra European routes, maybe to LON or FRA?

it would be great to see them in FRA, but I doubt it... I think aside CDG there is no potential route for them in Europe.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5492 times:

Tahiti is not that big of a market outside of a few select cities. I would imagine SFO, YVR and maybe ORD or YYZ/YUL could be next.

Mexico? South America? With today's price of fuel? Unlikely.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

Quoting Andahuailas (Reply 3):
wouldn't be surprised if they drop JFK before they add any new service. MEX would be a good choice, offering a very fast connection from MEX to SYD or AKL. LIM could also be interestig

with MEX and LIM they would have even lower load-factors that they have currently in JFK.



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User currently offlineScandinA340 From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5457 times:

Why limit expansion plans to this? Imagine TN as an EK of the South Pacific. It's got the strategic location to offer better one stop connection between Oz/NZ and USA/Canada, South America and Asia. Unfortunately, the government of French Polynesia has neither the deep pockets nor cheap oil access (nor inclination) to do for TN what the UAE does for EK...

ScandinA340


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

Quoting ScandinA340 (Reply 20):
Why limit expansion plans to this? Imagine TN as an EK of the South Pacific

Interesting idea however PPT airport is a runway and small thatched roof terminal, or at least it was when I landed there 10 years ago. Hardly a facility designed for transit passengers unless you are island hopping to Bora Bora or Moorea.

In addition the population of Tahiti and the O&D isn't there. Unless I am mistaken, Tahiti is predominantly the tourist/honeymoon crowd from the USA, Oz/NZ and France. Some of our European A.netters can help me out, but if Germans and and the British went on holiday in Tahiti en masse, there would be LH and BA there already. Or Ryan Air flying from Stansted to Fiji calling NAN "Tahiti's close-in airport."

Could TN be the next EK? Not likely. But you are right about location: PPT is ideally situated to connect the South Pacific with points east even though the next land mass east of PPT is a quick 9 hours away. But the traffic and airport can't sustain a major operation.

Am I wrong?


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

Right now the South American population in Japan has limited options. Many of them are taking flights via Europe totally 30 hours+ of travel. Somtimes they trave via HKG, SIN, KUL and BKK then connect through Europe. The U.S. requires many of them to get transit visas, which they don't have the time or desire to get. Up to now Flying via the states has been very efficient but now it is just not desired. PPT is one of the few carriers currently serving Japan that could link these two tightly knit regions.

Wouldn't this be a shorter route thatn via Europe or the States? To me it seems that TN focuses on just bringing people to Tahiti. Maybe they should think about through routing with options for stop overs. Japanese and Chinese business people doing trade with South American countries would have a nice way to get there.

They have codeshares with AA, NW, and AF I believe.



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User currently offlineTranceport From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

Look for them to start PPT-YVR-CDG service.

User currently offlineUSA1984 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5382 times:

they will not be starting any routes for a few years to come. the first priority is to stabalize the jfk and syd routes, then to add frequency. it will probably be 3 years before this gets done.

as for TN becoming an EK of the south pacific, it would be nice. currently the airport at PPT probably could not support something like that but the government is examining options of either rebuilding the airport at its current location or finding another location on the island to build a new international airport.

when TN does add a new route it will most likely be Milan. looking at the current amount of visitors to tahiti, Italy sends more tourists to the islands of all the countries that TN does not currently serve. wouldn't it make sense to eventually fly to Milan if this is the case?


25 Addi375 : Was just about to add, that all the times I have been to PPT there have been more Italians than anything...also on the AF flight, a lot of connex from
26 6thfreedom : Over the last couple of years AR has increases SYD services from 2 to 4pw, and LAN has increased from 4 to 5, and is looking at adding a 6th late 200
27 FOLOV : Thank you for your feedback. Really interesting routes. I think Asia will be a a great place, Prob HKG. with the opening of China. Lot of people there
28 Planemanofnz : SFO, SIN, NOU ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
29 Tundra767 : Yes I agree on the YVR route would be a good choice as no transit visas required. Perhaps HNL?
30 FOLOV : HNL, HA is serving it with one weekly flight. YVR was one of the choice at the beggining. PPT>YVR>CDG if i remember.
31 Toptravel : NIce Airline doing a great job. Flew their new SYD/PPT in August, good loads both ways. I feel they will hold onto what they have invested in so far a
32 Post contains images Pawsleykat : I think PPT-LAX-CDG-LHR-CDG-LAX-PPT. It kinda works out because LHR gets served by most airlines worldwide (BA, VS, Gulf Air, EK, Virgin Nigeria, to n
33 Aerorobnz : It also connects with our AKL flights, which are also QF codeshared.
34 Pe@rson : I read, quite sometime ago, that two potential European countries, after France, are both the UK and Italy. Perhaps we might therefore see London and
35 TWPHIL : I think that before expending TN should consolidate on its current routes and think exactly how to turn them profitable.I v read that the JFK / PPT /
36 DYK : TN SHould have gone with YVR ISO of NYC, the route would be performing better?
37 USA1984 : I don't know about that. Don't you think NYC has a bigger catchment than YVR...more potential traffic?...especially from Europe.
38 DYK : Totally agree USA1984, but the route does not seem to be doing very well. I think Tahiti would be an expensive leisure destination from NYC and many
39 9252fly : I'll also throw my guess in for YVR. It makes a lot of sense if they can acquire the 5th freedom rights. No other carrier serves YVR-CDG or YVR-PPT. C
40 Post contains images KLM685 : Even it it's not going to happen it'll still be VERY VERY nice to see that Alonsou
41 Avianca : well Italy seems not so realistic only chance if they received 5th freedom rights for example mxp-lax-ppt... but even that routing would be hard for
42 Kahala777 : Vancouver-Papaeete, is widely rumored for mid 2006! Vancouver-Paris, is rumored for late 2006! San Francisco-Papaeete, is being discussed, not daily!
43 USA1984 : So I just wanted to double check what you are saying....are you saying that TN will drop the CDG-LAX-PPT flights and reroute them through YVR? Or are
44 Kahala777 : Paris, has nothing to do with New York, with the exception of the one off AF connecting passenger. New York, is from what is being discussed, perform
45 Usa1984 : i assume that TN is doing well on the CDG-LAX-PPT route. if this is the case, why change it?
46 Halophila : How about expanding services to other australian ports? I have absolutely no idea how their PPT - SYD run is doing, but MEL and/or BNE I think would p
47 Kahala777 : TN seems to be the airline of choice for a good many airline consolidators. In addition I know for certain they offered very good consolidated fares
48 ZK-NBT : Considering their finanicial position I don't think they will do to much in the next 2-3 years either. I personally think a PPT-SIN service connecting
49 Tbear815 : Just a quick take on this thread. My first trip to Tahiti was in 1972. We took PA from HNL to PPT via American Samoa. From HNL the a/c (707-320B) was
50 FOLOV : The PPT/LAX/CDG/lax/PPT route is always 85-100 full. Seem like the PPT/SYD/PPT is doing quite well too. Lot of Pax from the east coast fly to LAX then
51 YVRSR : I recently looked at the Canada-France bilateral. If I recall correctly, Paris can be served by scheduled flights from Montreal and Toronto and NOT V
52 Chinaeastern : they should add YVR and route CDG via YVR instead of LAX. open up new asian destinations, either SIN or HKG, or somewhere further north in the future.
53 Post contains images Pe@rson : Naturally you know more than the airline's CEO.
54 HALFA : Ditto! Aloha, HALFA
55 DYK : It does not necessarily preclude TN from operating the route. It just means it is negotiated and basically AC has the say whether to allow TN from op
56 Usa1984 : what meeting with aribus? what is it supposed to be about? btw...FOLOV is a great plane. its funny though that the business class seats in this plane
57 Post contains images Thorben : They should get themselves an A345 and fly non-stop to TXL!
58 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : I would suggest : JFK/EWR SFO/OAK LAS Toronto/Vancouver BOS IAD ORD MIA/MCO/TPA LHR/LGW/MAN Hong Kong Tokyo SIN/BKK SYD/MEL/AKL Frankfurt/Munich/Duss
59 YOWza : Just nit-picking here but that should be what the Emirate of Dubai does fro EK rather than what the UAE does. After all Air Arabia and Etihad are UAE
60 FOLOV : [QUOTE]FOLOV is a great plane. its funny though that the business class seats in this plane are different than Bora Bora and Mangareva, which are diff
61 Schipholjfk : That's because there are a lot more direct flights from various East Coast cities into LAX than JFK. Most of US domestic flights come into LGA and it
62 Post contains links A342 : No. Direct flight NRT-GRU: 18490 kms: http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=n...GE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=180 NRT-LAX-GRU: 18680 kms: http://gc.kls
63 USA1984 : i know so much because i've flown in all of the planes. i have to say that bora bora and mangareva have the best business class seats. the recline is
64 CO737800 : I know that Air Transat use to fly Vancouver to Paris, in the summer season
65 USA1984 : for all those that think there is going to be a vancouver route...it won't happen. from a good source i heard it is just rumor. the cdg lax ppt route
66 TWPHIL : That would be a monopoly... so far its a duo lets keep it this way unless someone else arrive as a new comer to boost competition.
67 Post contains links and images Pawsleykat : Erm... they already fly to SYD and AKL View Large View MediumPhoto © Craig Murray View Large View MediumPhoto © Warren Williams Maybe CHC o
68 Pualani : NEW-WE filler pualani
69 AwysBSB : The Brazilian tourist industry would be very glad if the next route of Air Tahiti Nui was PPT-GRU. There is a lot of Brazilians interested to visit Oc
70 6thfreedom : CHC is a very small outbound market... and NZ has the USA-NZ market pretty well covered. HKG makes sense in hubbing for the upper-end Chinese market,
71 Usa1984 : a few years ago, the ceo was thinking of flying to sao paulo but it seems that has gone nowhere.
72 Post contains images Tundra767 : I know one thing for sure the TN A340's are one sexy bunch of planes
73 FOLOV : lol I never heard that our 340's were sexy , We should put that as an ad. "Feel Sexy With TN" Great to put our honeymooners in the mood.
74 Tundra767 : Yeah, lol I must be sick!! It was a really a treat for me last your to fly the two charters ATA did for TN from LAX-PPT.
75 MotorHussy : Another connection to Paris via French speaking Montréal would be my pick! This would open the market further to the French speaking Québecois touri
76 AS739X : There seems to be a lot of people chiming in on this thread that don't know anything about TN. How many people here suggested route already flow? Comm
77 Post contains images USADreamliner : PPT-MONTREAL-ST.MARTEEN-PARIS-REUNION-HANOI-PPT USADreamliner
78 Soups : Surprised they haven't considered London
79 A342 : Hanoi ? Are you crazy ? That was supposed to be Noumea, wasn´t it ?
80 Wrighbrothers : Isn't Hanoi in Vietnam ? Ah , thanks Wrighbrothers
81 Arcano : Last year, there was a huge banner of Air Tahiti Nui in the international departure hall of SCL, with a big photo of one of their 343s on it. A sign o
82 A342 : Yes it is.
83 Pawsleykat : isn't it the capital of Vietnam?
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