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Why No EK To Houston?  
User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

I was wondering why EK does not fly into Houston? I know there has to be some ties with oil and all and the Houston Ship channel or something to give them a reason to fly there. I know these current Intl. carriers fly there:

AC
KL
LH
PK
BA
AF
AM
CI
SV

Why no EK though or do they plan to start service in the near future?


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
do they plan to start service in the near future?

Yes they do once they get the right aircraft for the market, in the mean time they code share on CO flights from LGW-IAH.


User currently offlinePlanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 1):
Yes they do once they get the right aircraft for the market

The A345 can make it, no?


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
I know these current Intl. carriers fly there (IAH):

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...
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SV

SV flights to IAH aside from those ferrying Saudi royalty and their cronies/lackeys, are cargo only.

EK codeshares with CO ex LGW and EWR, so they probably dont have that much of an incentive to fly directly to IAH. Then again, in the cosmic scheme of things its a heck of a lot more llkely than CO ever flying to DXB or BAH

[Edited 2005-10-07 20:57:44]

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 2):
The A345 can make it, no?

Should be able to do so, since it is only 13,144 km.


User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 768 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
I was wondering why EK does not fly into Houston?

It's a good question. Also, does anyone know why Gulf Air suspended their regularly scheduled service to IAH?

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User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5135 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 3):
EK codeshares with CO ex LGW and EWR, so they probably dont have that much of an incentive to fly directly to IAH. Then again, in the cosmic scheme of things its a heck of a lot more llkely than CO ever flying to DXB or BAH

Although Continental is expanding internationally quite a bit. They don't have aircraft to do that flight nonstop, but they could do it from EWR. They fly 2x daily to TLV and now to DEL as well. All of the major US carriers are trying to find new international routes for growth. You never know - perhaps with 787s?


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2006 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5087 times:
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Quoting Junction (Reply 5):
t's a good question. Also, does anyone know why Gulf Air suspended their regularly scheduled service to IAH?

Gulf Air got killed on the route. Their loads were abominable. They carried a handful of First and Business Class passengers, while the back was virtually empty. The revenue it generated by this handful of passengers didn't even come close to covering the cost of the operation.



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User currently offlineOmad420 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

When Gulf Air flew to IAH, didn't it have more than one stop to BAH. If it did, it would just be easier to connect in Europe w/ AF, BA, KL or LH.

omad



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User currently offlineCOfaninBOS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

The Gulf Air flights were very poorly routed.

From IAH, you had to stop in JFK and then again in Cyprus before reaching the Middle East.

Why would a biz person in Houston do that when they could make one easy transfer via AF, KL, LH, or even BA?


User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 1):
Yes they do once they get the right aircraft for the market,

They have it... the A345 could easily do it.
Also I believe the 773ER could do it.... but EK doesn't seem very keen on using their 777's on really long haul.
Also the 346HGW will likelly also be able to do it... but they don't have them yet...


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

If the rumours are true, IAH is in EK's future expansion plan. That said, so is LAX, SFO, ORD and YYZ. Sadly, IAH is believed to be that last N.Am city that will be added to EK's route map. As to when they are coming (if at all), well don't hold your breath too long, it could be another 5-10 years by some 'guesstimates'.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 7):
Gulf Air got killed on the route. Their loads were abominable. They carried a handful of First and Business Class passengers, while the back was virtually empty. The revenue it generated by this handful of passengers didn't even come close to covering the cost of the operation.

I recall passing through terminal 'D' (then know as IAB) when the GF bird was at it's stand and thinking to myself "that plane better be packed to the brim with cargo, otherwise Gulf Air will not be long for IAH" Five months later it was gone. I suppose one can take some solice tha the JFK sector blew as well and was scrapped shorthly after. Most believe that the numerous stops on this flight (Nicosia, JFK) really hurt the IAH sector. Who knows?

Also keep in mind that Alia, served IAH in the late 70s and early 80s. Like GF, they just could not make a go of it. Also like GF, there were a number of stops (VIE, JFK) and like GF some speculate those stops killed the route.


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While I have not been in home to Houston for much of the year, I still like to keep tabs on the happenings at IAH (should be home at the end of the month). I have been looking at Flytecomm over the past few months and noticed an disturbing trend. PK appears to have cut it's Sunday flight over the last 3 weks. It seems that PK is really having problems with this route. I have read that PK is slated to start a N/S to IAH from KHI (or is it Lahore) to IAH once they acquire their 777-200ERs. Can anyone confirm this?

Thomas



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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

Quoting BEYauty (Reply 8):
You are speaking of the Bushites, no doubt...

While the Bushites have raised it to an art form, the sad fact of the matter is that Saudi-royal-family-ass-kissing is a bipartisan effort dating back to 50s. Every U.S. president has bent over backwards to accomodate them. Even the great FDR was not immune to it.


User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 12):
If the rumors are true, IAH is in EK's future expansion plan. That said, so is LAX, SFO, ORD and YYZ

YYZ is not going to be available for EK until Canada gives the UAE the rights to operate 2 national carriers instead of one. Didn't you hear the news, Etihad got the YYZ slots. Rumor has it that EK were offered the slots but one of the top managers in EK wanted daily service where as YYZ was offering them 4 times a week initially. While EK was stubborn on the daily requirement, EY jumped at the opportunity and bought the slots.... Now EK cannot fly to Canada anymore unless the Canadian civil authorities allow more than one national carrier from the UAE to operate on these routes....

Rumor also has it that the same top manager was sacked from EK for losing the slots and apparently he also lost slots to Capetown - South Africa!!!

As for IAH, well EK is now going to start their second daily to JFK as they are strengthening their position on that route. But I believe that if UK offers EK 5th Freedom rights then they will start flights to IAH through the UK immediately.. Most probably through MAN or BHX

Cheers
EK 156


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

Quoting EK156 (Reply 14):
Didn't you hear the news, Etihad got the YYZ slots. Rumor has it that EK were offered the slots but one of the top managers in EK wanted daily service where as YYZ was offering them 4 times a week initially.

as a matter of fact now that you mention it, I did indeed read that some months back, I was just a little foggy as to how that would effect EK and YYZ, thanks for pointing that out.

Quoting EK156 (Reply 14):
As for IAH, well EK is now going to start their second daily to JFK as they are strengthening their position on that route. But I believe that if UK offers EK 5th Freedom rights then they will start flights to IAH through the UK immediately.. Most probably through MAN or BHX

Well, I am cautiously hopeful but not getting my hopes up too high.

Thanks for the insights,

Thomas



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

what i've found interesting here in the Bay Area (and by my observations @SFO),
many people use European air carriers to connect to Europe, then to DXB then to Pakistan/India with EK...

However, PK will be starting nonstop IAH-ISB-KHI route next year with the 777-200LR biggrin  and PK will start LAX next year also. With AI already flying LAX and possibly SFO soon, it will be intersting to see how all these carriers, as well as the European carriers compete...



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1374 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 3):
EK codeshares with CO ex LGW and EWR, so they probably dont have that much of an incentive to fly directly to IAH. Then again, in the cosmic scheme of things its a heck of a lot more llkely than CO ever flying to DXB or BAH

I don't think demand would be a problem, especially for the Y cabin. With Halliburton currently flying 300-400 people per week to DXB and KWI the need is certainly there, and with seats at a premium it often takes up to two weeks to get employees into theater.

If they could put a CO codeshare on a IAH to DXB leg I guarantee this would be most welcome...


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4714 times:

IAH is their least priority right now. LAX, ORD, SFO are their priorities right now.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Off topic but still related, the marketing and development of Dubai and EK is nothing short of wonderous. The vision and determination of the government of Dubai is to be applauded. Business schools will be studying this as one of the greatest business ventures of the 21st century.

User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4644 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 1):
Yes they do once they get the right aircraft for the market

So does that mean some of the (10) 777-300ER's they will recieve or have recieved this year will open new routes "ie: LAX or SFO?" or go to already established routes?



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4468 times:

Quoting EK156 (Reply 14):
But I believe that if UK offers EK 5th Freedom rights then they will start flights to IAH through the UK immediately.. Most probably through MAN or BHX

I have flown three return trips on EK's MAN-DXB since it went double daily, and all have been at least 95% full (in economy anyway). I'm not sure where the extra IAH pax would sit!
What is the situation with the BHX flights?


User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 21):
I have flown three return trips on EK's MAN-DXB since it went double daily, and all have been at least 95% full (in economy anyway). I'm not sure where the extra IAH pax would sit!
What is the situation with the BHX flights?

If they get the 5th Freedom right.. I am sure they will go 4 or 5 times daily if they have to!!! BHX flights are also 2 daily now and they are very busy as well!!!


User currently offlineIL76TD From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 19):

The airline is ok only because they have a great hub, but frankly, the gov't of Dubai is setting Dubai up to be one of the most expensive failures in the history of the world. I live in Dubai, trust me, the only thing business schools will be studying is the biggest financial and real estate bust ever known to man, all set up by an overambitious, overly capitalized, and overzealous government.


User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Quoting IL76TD (Reply 23):
The airline is ok only because they have a great hub, but frankly, the gov't of Dubai is setting Dubai up to be one of the most expensive failures in the history of the world. I live in Dubai, trust me, the only thing business schools will be studying is the biggest financial and real estate bust ever known to man, all set up by an overambitious, overly capitalized, and overzealous government.

When will this happen? Should I hold my breath?
Seriously though, surely Dubai is trying to be a kind of new Singapore. Who'd of thought in 1965 when Singapore declared independence from Malaysia that it would eventually need an airline with 90 widebodies to serve it's 3 million population.

Source
www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/content/company_info/siastory/fleet.jsp


User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Quoting IL76TD (Reply 23):
The airline is ok only because they have a great hub, but frankly, the gov't of Dubai is setting Dubai up to be one of the most expensive failures in the history of the world. I live in Dubai, trust me, the only thing business schools will be studying is the biggest financial and real estate bust ever known to man, all set up by an overambitious, overly capitalized, and overzealous government.

Well that is one hell of a pesimisitic view!!! I live in Dubai too, and I can't see what you are talking about happening. For one, the UAE is close to signing the FTA agreement with the US and this will be a gradual preparation for it to enter the GATT. This will invite more companies ... especially International ones to open up. But even without it, the vision of Dubai's future is no where close to what you are talking about and to prove it, all of the neighbours of Dubai are copying Dubai's progress and trying to compete as well.. such as Qatar (QR) and Abu Dhabi (EY)!!

So where the hell did you come up with such a statement??? Cause it sounds to me like you are simply jealous of what Dubai has acheived!!! And they will acheive much more than that as well!!


25 RichardJF : Good point...furthermore Dubai Huge amounts of oil money from Saudi Arabia. Being undemocratic I imagine the Saudi's feel nervous about putting it in
26 Post contains images S12PPL : I would think Emirates would want that market to help get all the Bush family out to the middle east so they can hang out with they're buddies the ter
27 Emirates773ER : I hope what you just said IL76TD never happens but at the same time looking at the arrogance and proudness which all the UAE nationals share I think
28 EK156 : I think you should be banned from a.net ..... seriously I am sorry to say but this feeling of inequality started from the days of the British mandate
29 GustyOrange : Wouldn't it be better to rout EK's DXB-IAH flight through GLA? This might tempt on board some of the oilmen travelling from Houston to Aberdeen. Gusty
30 EK156 : If EK gets 5th Freedom Rights then that would be ideal!
31 Thorben : To be honest, a lot of people here in Europe look down on Arabs and Muslims. They are considered to be backward concerning democracy and human rights
32 Post contains images EK156 : Welcome to my RU list mate!!
33 Boysteve : These were not my words. Who has messed up the copy and paste. Recheck replies 23, 24 and 27
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