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EVA Air, A Few Travel Classes Too Much, Or?  
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

Here is the ultimate proof that you should only fly on airlines which offer an Economy Class, a Business Class, and a First Class. You will avoid confusings like here:

EVA Air is currently offering:

  • Super First Class

  • Super Business Class

  • Elite Class

  • Premium Laurel Class

  • Evergreen Deluxe Class

  • Economy Class


  • Of course are all of these aforementioned classes only available on different aircraft types and on different routes (depending on the aircraft type).

    Sorry, but this is looking totally ridiculous to me! EVA Air is an airline which is around since (I think) just more than 10 years or so, no longer!

    Are there only morons working who are to stupid to find a (lasting) name for their travel classes and to agree on one standard for every class?

    They are changing the names of their travel classes like there is no tomorrow! I - as a paying customer - would be totally confused when I would open up a timetable and when I have to compare all these travel classes and their price/performance ratio.

    Is there any similar case? What do you guys think?

    Patrick

    [Edited 2005-10-08 02:31:32]

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    User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
    Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

    Economy Class[/quote]

    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    EVA Air is currently offering:


    Super First Class

    Super Business Class

    Elite Class

    Premium Laurel Class

    Evergreen Deluxe Class

    Economy Class

    Of course are all of these classes are only available on different aircraft types, not in all, and not on every route.

    do they offer on all flights 4 classes (Eco, Eco+, Business, First) or only on the long-haul flights?

    regards
    Avianca



    Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
    User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

    Quoting Avianca (Reply 1):
    do they offer on all flights 4 classes (Eco, Eco+, Business, First) or only on the long-haul flights?

    No, they don't! That is the confusing thing!

    On one flight they offer "Super First", and "Super Business", "Evergreen Deluxe", and "Economy"...... on another flight (which is operated by another aircraft type) they offer "Elite Class", and "Premium Laurel", and "Economy".

    Totally confusing!

    Patrick


    User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
    Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

    Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 2):
    On one flight they offer "Super First", and "Super Business", "Evergreen Deluxe", and "Economy"...... on another flight (which is operated by another aircraft type) they offer "Elite Class", and "Premium Laurel", and "Economy".

    Patrick, do you now what classes are what classes (ECO, BUSINESS, FIRST ...etc)

    regards
    Andreas



    Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
    User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

    Quoting Avianca (Reply 3):
    Patrick, do you now what classes are what classes (ECO, BUSINESS, FIRST ...etc)

    I am not sure, please correct me when I am wrong!

    Here we go:

    Eco = Eco
    Evergreen Deluxe = Premium Eco
    Elite Class = new name for Evergreen Deluxe (I guess)
    Super Business Class = Premium Laurel Class (only on the 332, I guess)
    Super First Class = ????

    Sorry, but the Super before the Biz and First Class description already sounds a bit ridiculous. Furthermore does nobody know in which class he/she is flying when you see this. 

    Patrick

    [Edited 2005-10-08 02:29:11]

    User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

    Actually,

    (F) Super First - soon to be gone with retirement of 744

    (C) Super Business = Premium Laurel

    (ED) Evergreen Deluxe = Elite

    (Y) Economy = cattle??


    4 class config of Super First-Super Business-Evergreen Delux-Cattle for 744, MD11 (no Super First in MD1)

    3 class config of Premium Laurel-Elite-Cattle for 772 and 773.

    2 class config of Premium Laurel and Cattle class for A330

    2 class config of Super Business and Cattle class for 767 and MD90.

    Quite confusing even for frequent flyers like myself   

    What worries me with switching to 773 from 744 is the reduction of premium economy, on 773 there're only 62 Elite with the rest being cattle class. On 744 there're 100+ Ev Delux. It gives me the impression that the price difference between Elite and Economy will be a lot higher than current Evergreen Delux and Economy ($200 currently on LAX-TPE sector).

    I hope LAX-TPE flight will be the last one to retain 744.

    [Edited 2005-10-08 02:57:34]

    [Edited 2005-10-08 03:00:49]

    User currently offlineEchster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 399 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

    I don't think it's at all confusing. It seems bad now, but it'll be easier when aircraft are retired or converted to freighters. When the fleet is just B773ER and A332, it'll be Premium Laurel, Elite, and Economy.

    B773ER - Premium Laurel (Business), Elite (Y+), Economy

    A332 - Premium Laurel, Economy

    B767 - Super Business, Economy (these planes are soon gone)

    B744 - Super First, Super Business, Evergreen Deluxe (Y+), Economy (these planes will be converted or sold as the B773ERs come into the fleet....and yes, the plan for now is to have LAX as the last B744 station)

    MD90 - Super Business, Economy


    User currently offlineWillyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 468 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

    I agree with Echster. At the moment EVA is going through a transition, bringing in new airplanes with new seating. In a few years they will just offer economy, elite, and premium laurel. I'm not quite sure why they don't offer a small elite section on their 332s just to maintain consistant seating on their transcontinental flights. I believe the 332s are going to fly to places such as AKL - a long enough flight for someone to consider upgrading to Y+. And EVA is trying to crack into the UK - NZ market, so wouldn't they want to offer the same class of service all the way from LHR - AKL?

    Thank goodness they are getting rid of "super Business" and "super first"... really rediculous sounding, especially when you see what their idea of "super" seating is...


    User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 20
    Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

    Quoting Vincewy (Reply 5):
    soon to be gone with retirement of 744

    When will they all be gone then? They're still training new pilots on them also.



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    User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

    Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8):
    When will they all be gone then? They're still training new pilots on them also.

    Older 747s will be retired or converted into freighters. The newer 747s will be refitted with Premium Laurel, Elite, and Economy Classes.

    Quoting Willyj (Reply 7):
    I'm not quite sure why they don't offer a small elite section on their 332s just to maintain consistant seating on their transcontinental flights.

    I believe the A330-200s are primarily for intra-Asia travel and secondary transcontinental flights. As a result, it probably doesn't warrant the inclusion of a Premium Economy cabin.


    User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3361 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

    My Evergreen Deluxe from Economy upgrade was just $100 roundtrip for LAX-TPE-BKK-TPE-SFO, I miss that deal


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    User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

    Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8):
    Quoting Vincewy (Reply 5):
    soon to be gone with retirement of 744

    When will they all be gone then? They're still training new pilots on them also.

    I shouldn't have said SOON as the newest 744 is 7 years old (brought in 1998), but the oldest 744 is 13 years old, I've heard EVA Air wants to maintain maximum aircraft age under 15 years. Cargos are different as all 3 744s are less than 5 years old, the new pilots maybe for freighters.

    Given LAX-TPE is the busiest long haul for BR, I'd assume this will be the last route to receive 773 (deliveries span between now and 2009).


    User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

    Quoting Vincewy (Reply 11):
    Given LAX-TPE is the busiest long haul for BR, I'd assume this will be the last route to receive 773 (deliveries span between now and 2009).

    Sadly, your assumption is right. From another forum:
    2006 - Paris and Vancouver
    Late-2007 - Newark/Seattle
    Mid-Late-2008 - San Francisco
    2009 - Los Angeles


    User currently offlineMonkeyboi From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

    My parents fley SYD/LHR via TPE with EVA and they were very impressed, especially for the fare (approximately AUD1800 plus taxes return).

    The SYD/TPE sector was a daylight flight on a 330, they were in economy and said it was fine. They then had a night at the airport transit hotel (paid for before EVA) before travelling TPE/LHR on the 744 in 'Everygreen Deluxe'.

    The beauty of Evergreen Deluxe is that if you get onto the Eva website as soon as the seat allocation for your flight opens (I think 60 days before departure??) you can grab the Everygreen Deluxe seats right in the nose of the 744 - Everygreen Deluxe and Economy are on main deck, Super First and Business on upper deck. These seats right up front are great, the cabin is small and quiet and seats are only in pairs.

    The meal service is actually slightly different between Everygreen Deluxe and Economy which is unusual for a premium economy cabin. Usually on other airlines the meal/drink service is exactly the same as economy with only the seat/seat pitch differing.

    All in all they were really impressed for such a cheap fare (it was cheaper than the BA or Qantas cattle class fare they were quoted).


    User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

    Curious how BR ended up flying TPE-BKK-LHR during the day, instead of red eye, perhaps slot constraint at LHR at dawn? However it's a great way to fly SYD-LHR (any long haul), fly half way, stay at transit hotel for a night, and resume the journey, I did this before and the jetlag is greatly reduced if you have time to stick around.

    I wonder if BR will ever get A380? The company once said, "chance of operating this aircraft is very small". BR can make A380 viables, IMO, if they expand the cargo market (BR's long term goal), they can order less than 10 A380, using just a handful of passenger versions (TPE-LAX only), and the remainder A380F.


    User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 945 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

    Sabena332,

    If you don't have a clue on EVA's branding, then don't comment on it. Don't act like a moron.

    EVA is currently rebranding and simplifying their product offering.

    Their old aircraft (747-400) still has 4 class interior. Hence super 1st, super business, evergreen deluxe, and economy.

    With introduction of new aircraft, EVA is now reducing the class to three. Premium Laurel (business), Elite (evergreen deluxe), and economy.

    Just because you have no clue and has not taken the time to understand EVA's rebranding and introduction of new aircraft, you should keep your moronic mouth shut and keep crap from coming out of your mouth.


    User currently offlineFOLOV From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 170 posts, RR: 5
    Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

    Yup that was one thing that i noticed. My friend travels Eva all the time, and even himself is confused is does not know what he is buying or what kind of upgrade he can buy .

    User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

    Quoting FOLOV (Reply 16):
    Yup that was one thing that i noticed. My friend travels Eva all the time, and even himself is confused is does not know what he is buying or what kind of upgrade he can buy .

    I believe this confusion will soon end as the 767s leave the fleet and as the 747s are slowly reconfigured.


    User currently offlineNetworkDoc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 77 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

    Quoting Chiawei (Reply 15):
    With introduction of new aircraft, EVA is now reducing the class to three. Premium Laurel (business), Elite (evergreen deluxe), and economy.

    Since you are in the know, could you let us know the time horizon EVA has set for this re-branding processs, i.e. how long will the various classes co-exist before total reduction to three classes will have been achieved? If this is relational to aircraft replacement, does this mean, on-board re-furbishment will only be done on newly purchased/leased aircraft, or will existing ones also be re-fitted with a three-class product? What are EVA's fleet replacement time horizons, and phasing out of existing aircraft?

    Would be great if you could enlighten us 'morons'.  Smile

    Cheers!



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    User currently offlineFlyingHippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 704 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

    Quoting Chiawei (Reply 15):
    If you don't have a clue on EVA's branding, then don't comment on it. Don't act like a moron.

    Chiawei,

    It is because he DOESN'T know the EVA's Branding, he posted a valid question and voiced his opinion. IMO, the question he raised is very valid and he expressed his concerns about it. This is a place where people ask questions and voice their opions, and yes, make comments, about the aviation industry. (Although I do agree he could have used better words to his original post and ask the same question, instead of calling the employees at EVA morons)

    Your comments and personal attacks are way out of line. Don't sink to the level of others.

    [Edited 2005-10-17 18:17:27]

    User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
    Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

    Quoting FlyingHippo (Reply 19):
    Your comments and personal attacks are way out of line.

    Are they?

    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    Sorry, but this is looking totally ridiculous to me!



    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    Here is the ultimate proof that you should only fly on airlines which offer an Economy Class, a Business Class, and a First Class



    Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
    Are there only morons working who are to stupid to find a (lasting) name for their travel classes and to agree on one standard for every class?

    He is not just asking a question, but calling EVA management stupid morons and saying you shouldn't fly them!!!

    Sounds like someone who doesn't understand and just spouting off to me. But what do i know. I just read what is written and take people at their word.



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    User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

    Quoting Chiawei (Reply 15):
    If you don't have a clue on EVA's branding, then don't comment on it. Don't act like a moron.

    Sorry but I was just confused about so many different travel classes. In my opinion is it just confusing for the costomer when an airline is offering so many different classes. I don't know any other airline which is introducing so many classes over such a short time period!

    Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
    and saying you shouldn't fly them!!!

    Where did I say that you shouldn't fly them? Actually I wanted to fly on them but decided for SQ in the end because it was cheaper. I would love to fly on EVA one day.

    Patrick

    Oh yes, I forgot:

    Quoting Chiawei (Reply 15):
    you should keep your moronic mouth shut and keep crap from coming out of your mouth.

    Next time you tell that another member, you will go on vacation from A.net!

    [Edited 2005-10-17 18:36:02]

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