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User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 12935 times:

I was talking with a friend of mine who is a member of senior management for United at IAD. He told me that once UA exits bankruptcy they will place a large order for new Airbus/Boeing aircraft. He said that UA will likely be the launch customer for the 747-Advanced. UA will also order more A320 family to replace 757/737 aircraft as well as 787 to replace the 767 fleet.

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User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12864 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
He said that UA will likely be the launch customer for the 747-Advanced.

By the time they exit Ch 11 another airline could have grabbed it first. They may be in longer then they think. Plus other airlines are interested in it and may order it pretty soon once they get the go-ahead. (CX, JA, QF, Cargolux etc.)



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User currently offlineSfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12813 times:

From what I read in they're restructuring report they'll be obtaining quite a few A320's for United USA

Stu


User currently onlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12788 times:

If true that would be a nice mix. Boeing widebodies and Airbus narrows.


The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4006 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12790 times:
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I don't see how the A320 family could replace the 757. The A321 can't be compared to a 757 because it has less range and doesn't have engine as powerful as those of the 757, it isn't a direct competitor or replacement for the 757. Yes additional A319's and A320's could replace the remaining 737-300's and 500's but not 757's. And the A318 is the perfect 737-500 replacement. Isn't the A318 offered with PW engines? United has a long time relationship with Pratt & Whitney. The 787 will replace the 767 and 757 fleet. Your friend problaby meant to say that additional A32X and the 787 will replace the 737 fleet and 757/767 fleet respectively.
About the 747ADV, United will probably order it to replace the remaining 20 or so 747-400's on transpacific routes. United will introduce it on transpacific routes where ETOPS restrictions don't come into play, long haul routes such as LAX-SYD, LAX-NRT, SFO-NRT and SFO-HKG. That is the only reason I see why United would choose the 747ADV over the 777LR. Besides that, United seems to be happy with the 777 aircraft.
So the future mainline fleet would look like this in the long run:
A319/320(and maybe A321 and/or A318's)
B747ADV
B777
B787

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12690 times:

I believe UA still has a number of A320/319s still on order with Airbus. I don't know till when those deliveries have been deferred, but I remember reading somewhere some time ago that these deliveries are supposed to restart sometime in 2006. While UA may be changed that date, I wouldn't be surprised to see UA start accepting new A320-series aircraft not too soon after it exits bankruptcy.

As regards to the 747Adv, maybe that's why Boeing is taking so long on announcing a passenger launch customer. When UA cancelled its last 777 order with Boeing, I believe one of the terms of the deal was that UA had a credit($) with Boeing to use towards future orders. I wouldn't be surprised to see Boeing orders after bankruptcy due to that.

IF UA orders the 787, I'm wondering what engines they would choose since PWs aren't offered. But it would be in their interest to order soon to reserve delivery slots, as they are filling up very quickly.



Hoya Saxa!!
User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12643 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
UA will also order more A320 family to replace 757/737

The 757 has become a disappearing aircraft in the United Airlines fleet. Witihin a few years, expect the 757 to be dedicated only to Hawaii, JFK, and IAD Trans-Cons.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):
Yes additional A319's and A320's could replace the remaining 737-300's and 500's but not 757's

The 757's are not needed in United Airlines new plan. The 757 will have a muted role and will come into play only for JFK, IAD Trans-Cons. And some Hawaiian routes.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):
About the 747ADV, United will probably order it to replace the remaining 20 or so 747-400's on transpacific routes

They will not be ordering the aircraft on a 1 for 1 basis. The 747ADV, will come into play for new routes that United Airlines is planning to service in the future. Examples include: IAD-HKG, ORD-SYD, SFO-DEL.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 4):
United seems to be happy with the 777 aircraft

They are very happy with the 777, they are not happy with the capacity. For that reason alone, you will not see UA operating the 777 on high demand routes such as ORD-HKG, SFO-HKG, and LAX-SYD.

KAHALA777


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12608 times:

He told me that once UA exits bankruptcy they will place a large order for new Airbus/Boeing aircraft


so we can expect an order in about 10 years?


User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12483 times:

While I'll only believe this when it happens, the fleet decision makes sense.

Firstly, if the 757 and 767 are going, the A321 would be a good replacement for some of the 757 routes. It offers commonality with the bulk of the short haul fleet, a huge bonus in the planning and operations. The range is more than adequate for covering North America from all it's hubs. (Except East Coast- Hawaii, but the 757 can't fly that either)

True, as American 767 points out, the 757 has more range and powerful engines, but the 757 is a larger aircraft, about 20 tons heavier. I don't know if this makes it a "better" plane or merely different.

The 787 would be a great adition for the 767 and heavier 757 routes and makes perfect sense.

The strategy would make sense in simplfy the fleet to the A320 family, the 787, 777 and 747Adv. 4 types to cover all the possible mission profiles in the UA ops.


User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12459 times:

I don't see why ordering new planes should be a top priority of UA after exiting chapter 11. They have a very modern fleet with A32x and T7s as workhorses, also the rest isn't in an urgent need for replacement. Wasn't it one reason for their bankruptcy that they have ordered to many new a/c? I think they can live long years without receiving new metal.

A350



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User currently offlineGalapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12441 times:

So UA has yet to make a Quarterly profit in 4 years, added more than 3 Billion in debt and now thinks they can plave a large order for brand spankin new aircraft? I think UA should work on making what they have profitable. (CO has their 733 and 735 fleets profitable). Then once they get a couple profitable quarters behind them then order.

User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12299 times:

Quoting Galapagapop (Reply 10):
I think UA should work on making what they have profitable. (CO has their 733 and 735 fleets profitable). Then once they get a couple profitable quarters behind them then order.

As reported in the link below, United has been reporting "operating profits" for some time now. However, those operating profits have been obscured by the reorganizational expenses that the company is dealing with.

http://www.wittetravel.com/articles/breaking_travel_news/000324.html


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21588 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12258 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
I was talking with a friend of mine who is a member of senior management for United at IAD. He told me that once UA exits bankruptcy they will place a large order for new Airbus/Boeing aircraft. He said that UA will likely be the launch customer for the 747-Advanced. UA will also order more A320 family to replace 757/737 aircraft as well as 787 to replace the 767 fleet.

This is exactly what they should do. The A320 has been good for them and should be used to replace all the 737s and some aging 757s. The 757s will remain only on specialized routes that need them.

The 787 will replace the 767 AND 757 for the routes that the A320 won't cut it.

And as a 744 airline who needs planes of that size but not of the size of the A380, the 747Adv is a no-brainer. I fully expect them to be the North American launch customer for the aircraft. UA will not order any more 777s. They have enough as it is.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11979 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12237 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
The 757 has become a disappearing aircraft in the United Airlines fleet. Witihin a few years, expect the 757 to be dedicated only to Hawaii, JFK, and IAD Trans-Cons.

How has the 757 been a "disappointment" to United? They fly those planes very intensively, all over, all across their network, through every one of their hubs.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
The 757's are not needed in United Airlines new plan. The 757 will have a muted role and will come into play only for JFK, IAD Trans-Cons. And some Hawaiian routes.

What new plan are you talking about that doesn't involve 757s? Without them, how does United plan on flying to Hawaii, flying the p.s. transcons, flying from Denver to high-capacity east coast markets, etc.?


User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12131 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
The 757 has become a disappearing aircraft in the United Airlines fleet. Witihin a few years, expect the 757 to be dedicated only to Hawaii, JFK, and IAD Trans-Cons.

How do you think this airplane is "Disappearing"?

Pre-ch11 98 airframes

today 98 airframes and higher utilization by about 2 hrs a day!

FA4UA



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12118 times:

WOuldn't it be easier and more economical to stay with one "brand" of aircraft...either Boeing or Airbus?


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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5225 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12099 times:

So the launch for the 747ADV will be UA, NZ for 8 or 10 plus one or more others. For those of you who question NZ do a search and you will see that an insider essentially confirmed that it was on the docket if launched.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12051 times:

>> WOuldn't it be easier and more economical to stay with one "brand" of aircraft...either Boeing or Airbus?

No, there has never been a solid case for an all-Boeing or all-Airbus fleet.

For one thing, UA has such a huge fleet of Boeing widebodies that it would take billions to convert to Airbus widebodies. UA also has so many A320 and A319 that they could never just drop them for the 737NG. The most sensible thing to do is just bid each Airbus or Boeing aircraft in each category, and select the one best suited for that job.

>> So the launch for the 747ADV will be UA, NZ for 8 or 10 plus one or more others.

UA isn't going to launch the 747-Adv. It isn't even within the realm of consideration.

WN would launch the A350 first.  Wink


User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11995 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 17):

While I pretty much agree with you, I think it is wrong to say it is out of the question. Last time I check UAL makes money on Longhauls, so a long haul order would seem like a good business plan to make more money in my opinion.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5225 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11940 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 17):
UA isn't going to launch the 747-Adv. It isn't even within the realm of consideration.

Would appreciate your reasons why they would not unless their -400's are still quite young, I haven't checked but I thought they have some of the older ones.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11931 times:

They were still taking 747-400s in 1999 and 2000.

N


User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

At least 12 UA 744s were delivered in or before 1992. They're oldest was delivered in June of 1989. This means that when the 747Adv first takes to the skies, UA's oldest 744 will be almost 20 years old. Sounds to me like a good time to start replacing them. UA must be thinking about replacing them with something in the next few years if they're smart.


Hoya Saxa!!
User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11638 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 13):
How has the 757 been a "disappointment" to United?

United Airlines has not been disappointed with the 757. That was never stated, by myself or any other person on this forum. The correct statement, I must remind you, was that the 757 is disappearing from the United Airlines fleet with the advent of more and more A320's.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 13):
They fly those planes very intensively, all over, all across their network, through every one of their hubs.

Yes, indeed they do fly those planes intensively. You also must admit that the utilization rate is up for some of the United Airlines 757 program, but overall more planes are sitting idle. A good example would be the Premium Service 757-200's that operate JFK-SFO, JFK-LAX. Those planes do not share the same utilization times as other 757's operating routes such as DEN-LAX, LAX-IAD, IAD-SFO, SFO-HNL, and so forth. Certain routes that were at one time flown by a 757 such as LAS-ORD, PHX-ORD, DEN-RNO, DEN-COS, TPA-ORD, MIA-SFO, MCO-LAX, BOS-SFO, are discontinued or are no longer being operated with such large equipment.

Quoting FA4UA (Reply 14):
How do you think this airplane is "Disappearing"?

Please refer to the above stated facts.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 13):
Denver to high-capacity east coast markets

High-Capacity East Coast Markets? Are you talking about High-Yield such as DCA, LGA, and BOS? Are you talking about High-Density such as MCO, IAD, and TPA. The only "high capacity" market from Denver to the East Coast is Washington IAD, and that is with a 744, 772, or 763. Please specify.

KAHALA777


User currently offlineGalapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11510 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 11):

As reported in the link below, United has been reporting "operating profits" for some time now. However, those operating profits have been obscured by the reorganizational expenses that the company is dealing with.

Operational profits don't do anything when you still are constantly losing money overall.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11429 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 22):
The correct statement, I must remind you, was that the 757 is disappearing from the United Airlines fleet with the advent of more and more A320's.

They have the same number now they always have.

N


25 N79969 : Who is going to finance all of these new airplanes? Bankruptcy is bizarre.
26 UniTED : I really think replacing the 757s would be stupid at this point. They are not old; only 15 years at the oldest and still have 5 to 10 years ahead of t
27 Airlinerfreak : This has to be the stupidest thing they could do, as it could set them right back in bankruptcy. They should make sure they have some insurance....ext
28 Zeke : If they are so magic, why have they leased some of their 777's out to Air India and Varig ?
29 Post contains images Iwok : Ha.. Good one. Looks like UA's strategy of staying in Chapter 11 throughout the downturn will eventually pay dividends in the form of a new fleet and
30 Co757 : And he's Your Friend? Senior Management is What Screwed them Up in the 1st Place. And you believe what management tells you. Your a Bright one. When
31 Post contains images Co757 : You nailed that one on the Head
32 Hoya : UA did not lease out those 777s. They were returned to the lessors during Ch. 11 due to high least rates, and the lessors have subsequently leased th
33 Post contains links Baw716 : In my plan of reorganization for United, www.groups.msn.com/UnitedTheVision, I stated one of the major tasks that United has to undertake is to reduce
34 Ivo : Airbus orders: A319: Ordered: 78; del: 55; in operation: 55; still to be deliverd: 23. A320: Ordered: 117; del: 98; in operation (incl Ted): 97; to be
35 Zvezda : My understanding is that UA does not currently have delivery slots for the 42 A319/A320 on deferred order. UA might place an additional order as part
36 UA772IAD : That isn't an applicable argument with United Airlines. The A320 has become the workhorse for UA domestic. It can fly across the US fine, and since i
37 Flightopsguy : Many of UA's 757's are already etops. They fly 'em to HNL. Experienced maintenance controllers will tell you that the airbus family has a lower dispat
38 Jacobin777 : Baw716, I think that UA have enough of a fleet and enough routes (with more to come) to warrant keeping the 747s. Their 747 route is quite extensive,
39 FriendlySkies : While I highly doubt any of this is true, I can see long term that happenening...however, I don't see the 757s going anywhere. As already posted, they
40 Ikramerica : That's what i meant. If we are talking priorities, the A320 787 and 747Adv are higher priorities than adding more 777s. The 787 will take over for th
41 Zeke : Saw something recently that suggested that UA still has its name as the principle leassor. Possibly sub leasing them ? Any idea who the lease company
42 Post contains images Boeing Nut : I'd figure because of capacity reasons, that the 773ER would be a better choice for UA than the 747ADV.
43 EBJ1248650 : It may be that the 757 has more passenger capacity than United needs. I suspect that if United really wanted a 757 replacement they would look at the
44 Gigneil : Perhaps you can explain why they'd do that, when their standard narrowbody is now the A320? N
45 Post contains links and images Boeing Nut : To add onto reply 42.... Modified Airliner Photos:Design © NACHOTemplate © Tom Turner
46 HunUtazo : b doesn't like them? c doesn't have them? p implementation? d all of above?[Edited 2005-10-10 01:11:54]
47 FriendlySkies : What?
48 DfwRevolution : >> b doesn't like them? c doesn't have them? p implementation? d all of above? I second: huh?
49 Stirling : The major differences between the 321 and 757 can be summed up in one generalized statement. "The 757 flys 15 more pax, 1000nm farther, 10knots slowe
50 Baw716 : One point that people are still missing: The operating costs of the 747 are significantly higher than the 777. So, in order for the 747 to make sense,
51 Zvezda : It is possible to have 10 wider seats in a B747 by using a different insulation material that allows for thinner sidewalls. However, to fit 10 18.5 i
52 Post contains images Glareskin : For the same reason they might look at Airbus models for replacement of the widebodies. That is what airlines do: compare manufacturers and quotation
53 Post contains images Keesje : Hopefully UA will recover & be back as healthy major player. Already being a big Airbus customer UA will likely consider the A380 as part of future fl
54 Aviation : The 747-Adv is going to Cargo Lux as launch customer right? Thanks, Aaron J Nicoli
55 Keesje : Airbus chairs the UAL creditors comittee, Boeing is not in.
56 Anxebla : So far I know, the right answer is YES
57 UA772IAD : What about the Europe routes that utilize 744s? (IAD-LHR/FRA, SFO-FRA, SFO-LHR) There is no way that UA will order the 380. Switching to Airbus wideb
58 Post contains images Glareskin : At least your picture is showing the best looking A380 so far!
59 Post contains images Jacobin777 : believe it or not, I actually agree....but its still a hideous looking creature.[Edited 2005-10-10 13:35:06]
60 AADC10 : I think UA's primary interest is in simplifying the fleet and getting whatever aircraft it can for a reasonable price. Since 2000 or so they have phas
61 Zvezda : Huh? All indications are that the Adv JumboJet and the WhaleJet will offer very similar seat mile costs. If I had to bet, I would expect that the B74
62 Post contains images DfwRevolution : >> Keesje >> Hopefully UA will recover & be back as healthy major player. Buddy, you know better than anyone that won't come before 2010. At that poi
63 Post contains images Hamlet69 : The 777-300ER can not carry anywhere close to 400 pax in a 3-class layout. At least, not in a typical airline configuration. In fact, United doesn't
64 Mariner : Why not? Boeing went there with Airtran. And didn't United originally grow out of Boeing Air Transport? I don't see a problem with it. It's not a lot
65 Hamlet69 : I never said Boeing has not done this in the past, although your example is not correct, as AirTran bought the MD-95/717 before the Boeing take-over.
66 Post contains links and images Mariner : This is what I was thinking of - I'm not sure how it can be "not correct"?: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2003/07/04-airtran-boeing.htm I had a
67 Anxebla : but with 100/120 seat less. I think Boeing doesn't make the 747ADVs in order to compete with the A380s. There's a market for the A380 and there's ano
68 LACA773 : I completely agree with you, Boeing Nut. I think the 773ER would be a great fit into UA's fleet as they find the need to retire 744s. What about in a
69 Gigneil : Spread out across more passengers. If you fill up a 747 with passengers and heavy cargo on a route within its range, its cost is, in fact, much lower
70 N1120A : The A321 cannot run their transcon and Hawai'i routes and will have issues with hot/high performance on DEN-BOS runs and the like. No it isn't. Like
71 Co757 : They Can't even Afford the 777's they parked in the Dessert.......Who Parks 777's...Get Real
72 Co757 : What Ramp Agent/ Ticket or Flight Attendant wants to work that Beast for $9.00 An Hour
73 Baw716 : Ok you guys, Show me the numbers...you are saying it is, I am saying it isn't. So, let's crunch the numbers and let's see who is right. Let's use LAX-
74 Zvezda : Baw716, LAX-HKG need 4 pilots per the FARs as it is between 12 and 16 hours. That's true for both B777 and B747. FA costs are variable as the seniorit
75 Zvezda : Look at it this way (comparing 1 B747Adv vs 2 B777-200ER/LR): The B747 wins on pilot costs (on a per pax basis) The B747 wins on FA costs (on a per pa
76 UA744Flagship : Umm... we fly OGG (Kahului) - SFO/LAX with 777s pretty regularly (not always year round, but frequently). As for the 747 v. 777 profit potential deba
77 A350 : I can imagine the A380 in UAs fleet somewhere in the next decade. That's the time when the 744 come at the end of their economic lifetime and transpac
78 UAcosCS : Did I miss something? We flew a 777 yearly from ORD-PEK, and it's coming back in NOV., I think that is a little farther than LIH-SFO. What is he tryi
79 UA744Flagship : I think he was suggesting that the OGG runway is too short for 777 ops. It isn't for our west coast flights, but yes, it is for our ORD flight, which
80 Post contains images UAMAYBACH1239 : Its not a direct replacement, however its a pretty eficient way to reduce capacity in the states without cutting flights . The A320 goes coast to coa
81 A350 : How many UA 757 flights are coast-to-coast, and how many are on routes the A321 could fly, too? Since they have a huge number of 757s, it might be pos
82 Zvezda : The short runway means that the B777 can take off only with a light fuel load (plenty for SFO/LAX but not for much further).
83 N1120A : Most of the 777s UA parked were 772A models that have a limited role in UA's route structure (high density 2 class routes on some hub routes and Hawa
84 UA744Flagship : None of our 2-class XAs were parked. The non-ERs parked were all 3-class XCs. They flew hub-hub and ORD/IAD-Atlantic. Half correct. The XA has no pro
85 UALophile : I know nothing about UAL's financing of aircraft, but I hate having all those A-320/319's in the UAL fleet -- United Airlines was originally part of t
86 DfwRevolution : >> I hate having all those A-320/319's in the UAL fleet -- United Airlines was originally part of the Boeing Company, and it should be flying an all-
87 HunUtazo : Incorrect, the ual enity, will be all boeing.[Edited 2005-10-12 00:18:26]
88 Post contains images Thorben : As far as I understand it, they are making money on the international flights, but not on the domestic ones. Therefore they should focus more on the i
89 HunUtazo : The ual name will be history by 2007, so will nwac.
90 Thorben : Can you predict the weather for 2007, too. What's it going to be like on Oct 3rd?
91 N1120A : Ah, thanks for that. My point was more about the fact that they were 772As and not -ERs
92 Post contains images HunUtazo : [Edited 2005-10-12 01:11:58]
93 Thorben : Huh?
94 JC5280 : I cannot believe a thread that begins with... ...has lasted this long. First of all, even senior management at IAD (Customer Service or Ramp Manager)
95 UA772IAD : You have me on LIH but the 777 already flies to Kahului! UA47/UA34 is a Domestic 777 to and from SFO- most of the year (sometimes its operated by a 7
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