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Any Chance For New FRA-NRT Service?  
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3918 times:

Hi all,

I just checked for random dates the loads on the FRA-NRT flights (JL,KZ,LH)

the flights seems more than good booked.


Lufthansa German
Flight: 710
Departs
Frankfurt Am Main (FRA)
October 15
1:45 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 16 (Next day)
7:40 am Notes
Cabin class: F3 A3 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
Meal:
Distance: 5836 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 10:55
Boeing 747Boeing 747


All Nippon Airways
Flight: 210
Departs
Frankfurt Am Main (FRA)
October 15
8:45 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 16 (Next day)
2:50 pm Notes
Cabin class: F0 A0 J0 C0 D0 Z0 W0 S0 Y0 B0 H0 M0 K0 G0
Meal:
Distance: 5836 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 11:05
Boeing 747-400Boeing 747-400


Japan Airlines
Flight: 408
Departs
Frankfurt Am Main (FRA)
October 15
9:05 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 16 (Next day)
3:20 pm Notes
Cabin class: F0 C0 D0 I0 S0 Y0 B0 H0 Q0 M0 N0 K0
Meal:
Distance: 5836 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 11:15
Boeing 747-400Boeing 747-400

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All Nippon Airways
Flight: 210
Departs
Frankfurt Am Main (FRA)
October 16
8:45 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 17 (Next day)
2:50 pm Notes
Cabin class: F0 A0 J0 C4 D0 Z0 W0 S0 Y0 B0 H0 M0 K0 G0
Meal:
Distance: 5836 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 11:05
Boeing 747-400Boeing 747-400


Lufthansa German
Flight: 710
Departs
Frankfurt Am Main (FRA)
October 16
1:45 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 17 (Next day)
7:40 am Notes
Cabin class: F0 A0 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
Meal:
Distance: 5836 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 10:55
Boeing 747Boeing 747


the flights are all operated with B747 and are full, any chane to see a JL, KZ or LH double daily on the route?

also the flights from MUC seems more than full


Lufthansa German
Flight: 714
Departs
Munich (MUC)
October 16
3:30 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 17 (Next day)
10:00 am Notes
Cabin class: C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
Meal:
Distance: 5849 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 11:30
Airbus A340Airbus A340


Lufthansa German
Flight: 714
Departs
Munich (MUC)
October 17
3:30 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 18 (Next day)
10:00 am Notes
Cabin class: C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
Meal:
Distance: 5849 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 11:30
Airbus A340Airbus A340


would be nice if LH would at least the MUC flight upgrade to the B747-400.

I know they have no B747-400 flights from MUC, but it wouldnt be a big problem as they could operate FRA-NRT-MUC-NRT-FRA.


regards
Avianca


Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3907 times:

LH will upgrade the FRA-NRT service to A380s when they come, for sure. I also can imagine them to send more connecting traffic via ZRH instead of FRA in the future.

A350



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting A350 (Reply 1):
LH will upgrade the FRA-NRT service to A380s when they come, for sure

yes thats true, but there is still some time they get the A380.



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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3873 times:

The bilateral with Japan is very restrictive. LH doesn't have more rights into NRT. LH has two dailies to NRT and both Japan carriers have one daily flight each from NRT. And from what I heard they are not very eager on new flights to Germany, so there is also no chance for LH.
But the A380 on FRA-NRT is very likely. I think to remember that any LH official even has mentioned that.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3866 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 3):
The bilateral with Japan is very restrictive. LH doesn't have more rights into NRT.

this is what I thought... so they should upgreade the MUC flight to the B744 or at least to the A346... what about the rights that LTU had in the past from DUS?

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3860 times:

Has LTU ever served Japan? I have no clue. They fly to China. On some days to Shanghai and the others to Beijing, but will finish the route end of October.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 5):
Has LTU ever served Japan

I am not 100% sure if they served, at least the flights were ready and plnd.
I think a 5 weekly service.



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 5):
Has LTU ever served Japan?

LTU never had scheduled flights to Japan.

There were a few charters, even one with Adolf Edmund Stoiber onboard, I saw on TV that he flew on LTU to Tokio (and back) to watch the final of the football world championship 2002.

Patrick


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Adolf Edmund Stoiber onboard, I saw on TV that he flew on LTU to Tokio (and back) to watch the final of the football world championship 2002

 Silly  Silly  Silly and did he enjoy the crappy LTU serive ?



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3836 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
and did he enjoy the crappy LTU serive ?

Better than flying Lufthansa, eh?

Patrick


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3820 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Better than flying Lufthansa, eh?

 crazy 



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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3817 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Adolf Edmund Stoiber onboard

That's great  laughing  Welcome to my RU list!

A350



Photography - the art of observing, not the art of arranging
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
LTU never had scheduled flights to Japan.

at least I know they had plnd it from DUS, and promoted it to the travell agencies... but it seems that it never happened. Sad

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3608 times:

NRT-MUC is six weeklies with A343. It can't be upgraded to 744 or A346 because those flights require landing on the short-runway.
The chances of new entrants under the current circumstances about zero due to slot restrictions at either end.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3605 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 13):
It can't be upgraded to 744 or A346 because those flights require landing on the short-runway.

intresting information, is the incoming slot for the flights restricted to the short-runway? other question how long is the short-runway because if a A343 can land than it would be also no problem for bigger aircrafts like the 744 or the A346, or?

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26481 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3598 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 13):
NRT-MUC is six weeklies with A343. It can't be upgraded to 744 or A346 because those flights require landing on the short-runway.
The chances of new entrants under the current circumstances about zero due to slot restrictions at either end.

A 744 or an A346 can easily land on the shorter runway at NRT, they just can't make FRA after taking off from it



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25330 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3589 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
intresting information, is the incoming slot for the flights restricted to the short-runway? other question how long is the short-runway because if a A343 can land than it would be also no problem for bigger aircrafts like the 744 or the A346, or?

Narita slots awards are indeed based on usage of either the "A" main 16R/34L runway or the "B" 16L/34R new runway. The newer runways is a mere 2180meters long and is restricted to B777/A343/MD11 or smaller equipment. Strict adherence to slotted runway is required.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3587 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 16):
The newer runways is a mere 2180meters long and is restricted to B777/A343/MD11 or smaller equipment.

thanks for the quick info!

I can not imagine that the 6xweekly A343 LH flight from MUC to NRT is sloted to the shorter-runway, as N1120A pointed out, the full A343 can not make it nonstop to germany.

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25330 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3574 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
A 744 or an A346 can easily land on the shorter runway at NRT,

Nope.. The Narita operating rules clearly state no A346/B747 operations allowed on the 16L/34R runway. The B747 limitation is also listed in the Jeppesen pages. Restriction is primarily due to taxiway wingtip/outboard engine clearance issues.



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

MD11s, DC10s, & 773s are also not allowed to use the shorter runway unless in an emergency. I have heard MD-11s and DC-10s using the shorter runway in an emergency such as when the longer-runway is closed but I have yet to hear other aircraft types mentioned using the shorter runway.

Technically the runway is long enough for use by the 744; as SXM sees 744 ops even though it's slightly shorter than 2,180.


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