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Any Chance For New FRA-NRT Service?

Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Hi all,

I just checked for random dates the loads on the FRA-NRT flights (JL,KZ,LH)

the flights seems more than good booked.

Lufthansa German
Flight: 710
Departs
Frankfurt Am Main (FRA)
October 15
1:45 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 16 (Next day)
7:40 am Notes
Cabin class: F3 A3 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
Meal:
Distance: 5836 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 10:55
Boeing 747Boeing 747

All Nippon Airways
Flight: 210
Departs
Frankfurt Am Main (FRA)
October 15
8:45 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 16 (Next day)
2:50 pm Notes
Cabin class: F0 A0 J0 C0 D0 Z0 W0 S0 Y0 B0 H0 M0 K0 G0
Meal:
Distance: 5836 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 11:05
Boeing 747-400Boeing 747-400

Japan Airlines
Flight: 408
Departs
Frankfurt Am Main (FRA)
October 15
9:05 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 16 (Next day)
3:20 pm Notes
Cabin class: F0 C0 D0 I0 S0 Y0 B0 H0 Q0 M0 N0 K0
Meal:
Distance: 5836 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 11:15
Boeing 747-400Boeing 747-400

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All Nippon Airways
Flight: 210
Departs
Frankfurt Am Main (FRA)
October 16
8:45 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 17 (Next day)
2:50 pm Notes
Cabin class: F0 A0 J0 C4 D0 Z0 W0 S0 Y0 B0 H0 M0 K0 G0
Meal:
Distance: 5836 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 11:05
Boeing 747-400Boeing 747-400

Lufthansa German
Flight: 710
Departs
Frankfurt Am Main (FRA)
October 16
1:45 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 17 (Next day)
7:40 am Notes
Cabin class: F0 A0 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
Meal:
Distance: 5836 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 10:55
Boeing 747Boeing 747

the flights are all operated with B747 and are full, any chane to see a JL, KZ or LH double daily on the route?

also the flights from MUC seems more than full

Lufthansa German
Flight: 714
Departs
Munich (MUC)
October 16
3:30 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 17 (Next day)
10:00 am Notes
Cabin class: C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
Meal:
Distance: 5849 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 11:30
Airbus A340Airbus A340

Lufthansa German
Flight: 714
Departs
Munich (MUC)
October 17
3:30 pm Arrives
Tokyo (NRT)
October 18 (Next day)
10:00 am Notes
Cabin class: C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
Meal:
Distance: 5849 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 11:30
Airbus A340Airbus A340

would be nice if LH would at least the MUC flight upgrade to the B747-400.

I know they have no B747-400 flights from MUC, but it wouldnt be a big problem as they could operate FRA-NRT-MUC-NRT-FRA.

regards
Avianca

Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia

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A350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

LH will upgrade the FRA-NRT service to A380s when they come, for sure. I also can imagine them to send more connecting traffic via ZRH instead of FRA in the future.

A350

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Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Quoting A350 (Reply 1):
LH will upgrade the FRA-NRT service to A380s when they come, for sure

yes thats true, but there is still some time they get the A380.

Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia

JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

The bilateral with Japan is very restrictive. LH doesn't have more rights into NRT. LH has two dailies to NRT and both Japan carriers have one daily flight each from NRT. And from what I heard they are not very eager on new flights to Germany, so there is also no chance for LH.
But the A380 on FRA-NRT is very likely. I think to remember that any LH official even has mentioned that.

Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 3):
The bilateral with Japan is very restrictive. LH doesn't have more rights into NRT.

this is what I thought... so they should upgreade the MUC flight to the B744 or at least to the A346... what about the rights that LTU had in the past from DUS?

regards
Avianca

Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia

JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Has LTU ever served Japan? I have no clue. They fly to China. On some days to Shanghai and the others to Beijing, but will finish the route end of October.

Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 5):
Has LTU ever served Japan

I am not 100% sure if they served, at least the flights were ready and plnd.
I think a 5 weekly service.

Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia

Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 5):
Has LTU ever served Japan?

LTU never had scheduled flights to Japan.

There were a few charters, even one with ~~Adolf~~ Edmund Stoiber onboard, I saw on TV that he flew on LTU to Tokio (and back) to watch the final of the football world championship 2002.

Patrick

Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Adolf Edmund Stoiber onboard, I saw on TV that he flew on LTU to Tokio (and back) to watch the final of the football world championship 2002

and did he enjoy the crappy LTU serive ?

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Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 8):
and did he enjoy the crappy LTU serive ?

Better than flying Lufthansa, eh?

Patrick

Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Better than flying Lufthansa, eh?

Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia

A350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Adolf Edmund Stoiber onboard

That's great laughing

Welcome to my RU list!

A350

Photography - the art of observing, not the art of arranging

Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
LTU never had scheduled flights to Japan.

at least I know they had plnd it from DUS, and promoted it to the travell agencies... but it seems that it never happened. Sad

regards
Avianca

Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia

Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2772 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

NRT-MUC is six weeklies with A343. It can't be upgraded to 744 or A346 because those flights require landing on the short-runway.
The chances of new entrants under the current circumstances about zero due to slot restrictions at either end.

Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 13):
It can't be upgraded to 744 or A346 because those flights require landing on the short-runway.

intresting information, is the incoming slot for the flights restricted to the short-runway? other question how long is the short-runway because if a A343 can land than it would be also no problem for bigger aircrafts like the 744 or the A346, or?

regards
Avianca

Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia

N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 13):
NRT-MUC is six weeklies with A343. It can't be upgraded to 744 or A346 because those flights require landing on the short-runway.
The chances of new entrants under the current circumstances about zero due to slot restrictions at either end.

A 744 or an A346 can easily land on the shorter runway at NRT, they just can't make FRA after taking off from it

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Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22070 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
intresting information, is the incoming slot for the flights restricted to the short-runway? other question how long is the short-runway because if a A343 can land than it would be also no problem for bigger aircrafts like the 744 or the A346, or?

Narita slots awards are indeed based on usage of either the "A" main 16R/34L runway or the "B" 16L/34R new runway. The newer runways is a mere 2180meters long and is restricted to B777/A343/MD11 or smaller equipment. Strict adherence to slotted runway is required.

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Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 16):
The newer runways is a mere 2180meters long and is restricted to B777/A343/MD11 or smaller equipment.

thanks for the quick info!

I can not imagine that the 6xweekly A343 LH flight from MUC to NRT is sloted to the shorter-runway, as N1120A pointed out, the full A343 can not make it nonstop to germany.

regards
Avianca

Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia

Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22070 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
A 744 or an A346 can easily land on the shorter runway at NRT,

Nope.. The Narita operating rules clearly state no A346/B747 operations allowed on the 16L/34R runway. The B747 limitation is also listed in the Jeppesen pages. Restriction is primarily due to taxiway wingtip/outboard engine clearance issues.

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Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2772 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

MD11s, DC10s, & 773s are also not allowed to use the shorter runway unless in an emergency. I have heard MD-11s and DC-10s using the shorter runway in an emergency such as when the longer-runway is closed but I have yet to hear other aircraft types mentioned using the shorter runway.

Technically the runway is long enough for use by the 744; as SXM sees 744 ops even though it's slightly shorter than 2,180.

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