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Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?  
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9908 times:

What's the latest news on the Bombardier C-Series aircraft?

I know that Bombardier created a mock-up at the Paris Airshow in June, did it receive any orders from the Paris airshow?

Has it received any orders at all yet?

When will it go into service?

When will the first flying prototype be in the air?

Are they to be made alongside the CRJ's?

Who are possible costumers for the C110 and C130?

Looks like a great a/c!

http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?...lang=en&file=/en/3_0/3_8/3_8_1.jsp

Rob!  Smile

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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4670 posts, RR: 77
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9864 times:
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Don't know about customers and/or orders.
Saw a week ago the first published flight deck picture in Air&Cosmos.
It looks as if the Airbus concept is taking as the CSeries will have :
-Electrical flight controls with flight enveloppe protection
-Side sticks
-EFB.
The fight between Embraer and Bombardier for regional jets seems to be heating up quite a bit.

Regards



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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 943 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9812 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 1):
It looks as if the Airbus concept is taking as the CSeries will have :
-Electrical flight controls with flight enveloppe protection
-Side sticks
-EFB.

You forgot the European government subsidies.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9768 times:
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How realistic is it to put the CFM56-7 on the C-Series, the lowest rating ones that power the 736 and 73G? They are pretty economical, aren't they?

Not many other options to choose from, it seems...



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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4670 posts, RR: 77
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9737 times:
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Quoting N908AW (Reply 2):
You forgot the European government subsidies.

Sorry, I deal with technicalities and ignore -or generally tend to- imbecilistic comments.



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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 943 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9721 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 4):
Sorry, I deal with technicalities and ignore -or generally tend to- imbecilistic comments.

Sorry, was being rather sarcastic/imbecilic. The CSeries is a cool plane.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13520 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9695 times:
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Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
How realistic is it to put the CFM56-7 on the C-Series, the lowest rating ones that power the 736 and 73G? They are pretty economical, aren't they?

Not many other options to choose from, it seems...

The C-Series needs a *much* more economical engine than the CFM56 in order to compete in their niche. Pratt is offering to develop a "clean sheet" new design. GE refused (but can always reconsider). RR is probably too busy with the Trent 1000, 1700, etc. to try a clean sheet design. (And a ~24 to 27k engine would be too small for a tripple spool).

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineDhefty From United States of America, joined May 2005, 599 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9600 times:

The latest doesn't look too rosy, according to Richard Aboulafia, one of the top aviation consultants in the US, in the following article in the September issue of Aerospace America, entitled "Canada Faces CSeries Crisis".

http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/images...articleimages/pdf/AA_Sept05_II.pdf


User currently offlineHiFi From Brazil, joined Apr 2005, 192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9465 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 6):
The C-Series needs a *much* more economical engine than the CFM56 in order to compete in their niche. Pratt is offering to develop a "clean sheet" new design. GE refused (but can always reconsider). RR is probably too busy with the Trent 1000, 1700, etc. to try a clean sheet design. (And a ~24 to 27k engine would be too small for a tripple spool).

Sure, an economical plane needs an economical engine.. But it should not rely only on the engine in order to achieve fuel burn reduction... After all, any engine can be bought by any manufacturer.. If the C-Series is economical due to its engine primarily, any other aircraft can be, unless using the engine involves some kind of major design change (ie, engine mounting, bleed(less) systems, etc..).


Complementing: I heard from privileged sources that the engines are not the only problem to be solved for the C Series, supplier-wise. If I remember correctly, an announcement will be made this month about the project. Let's just wait and see...

PS: I'd love to see another Bombardier in the air. The C Series is beautiful and competition is ALWAYS good.. although I'm not sure the C Series has its niche.



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User currently offlineACgSpotman From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9458 times:

It looks like an Embraer 170/5 with the RJ7 winglets....


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9462 times:

Quoting ACgSpotman (Reply 9):
It looks like an Embraer 170/5 with the RJ7 winglets....

Except of course that it is wider. The Cseries will have 2-3 seating as opposed to the 2-2 of the Embraers. I am also excited about this plane, i just hope they aren't too late.



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