Boeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3516 times:
FlyTweed,
Do you know how the plane was damaged? I wonder why they only circled for an hour opposed to the Jet Blue flight that circled for a few hours. Nonetheless, it's amazing how even one little bird can cause havoc for a big bird!
Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz
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September11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 23 Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3447 times:
The plane hit more than one bird? The article says "after hitting a number of birds".... I mean CRJ is small jet and it hit a number of birds.. I'd like to see pictures of damage and see it for myself.
Photo of Northwest Airlines CRJ (Pinnacle Airlines) mentioned in the article... (not sure about specific aircraft type series)
FlyTweed From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3271 times:
Boeingfanyyz,
As for the fuel, the jet was a CRJ, so I would assume it was carrying far less fuel than an A320. Also, B6's A320 was bound from Burbank, CA, to JFK, a significantly longer haul than the CRJ's flight here, which was from Hartford to Indianapolis.
Bird strikes are funny things - sometimes birds can get caught up in the engines while other times they can put a nice dent in the nose of an aircraft. Regardless, I'm a bit puzzled here because if the birds did not get entangled with the engine, I can't figure out why the aircraft wouldn't continue to IND. Although another possibility is some sort of problem with the birds and the landing gear. Any ideas?
Erj-145mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 306 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
Quoting FlyTweed (Reply 4): Regardless, I'm a bit puzzled here because if the birds did not get entangled with the engine, I can't figure out why the aircraft wouldn't continue to IND
The crew would rather find out if there was a problem in a controlled environment than find out otherwise. Its better safe than sorry.
Ca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3214 times:
Quoting FlyTweed (Reply 4): Regardless, I'm a bit puzzled here because if the birds did not get entangled with the engine, I can't figure out why the aircraft wouldn't continue to IND.
You have got to be kidding me. First off, Pinnacle is already under the watchful eye of the FAA for the crash of their CRJ last year in Missouri.
Second, when you're the pilot in command of an aircraft carrying your crew and 42 passengers, are you going to take any sort of risk in continuing a 3 hour flight?
Lastly, airplanes are made from aluminum, not steel. When a bird hits them below normal cruise flight, aluminum has a tendancy to dent very easily, unlike steel, which I heard Canadair will be using on their next RJ
Tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2296 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3183 times:
Quoting FlyTweed (Reply 4): I can't figure out why the aircraft wouldn't continue to IND.
All kinds of things that might get damaged- leading edge components, pitot tubes, vert. stabilizer, flaps, etc. Not worth taking a chance without really knowing what damages may have occured.
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3085 times:
Quoting FlyTweed (Reply 4): I can't figure out why the aircraft wouldn't continue to IND.
I cant figure why they circled for an hour. I know they said to burn off fuel, but when you are flying with a damaged engine, esp if it was both engines, seems like the heavier landing would be less risky than staying in the air. I guess it mustnt have been too bad, but every case ive heard of, the plane immediatley returned for landing.
Worst strike ive heard of in the US with a return for landinf was a US 737 at DAB in the mid 90's Both engines struck over 100 birds and according to witnesses the plane struggled to make it back.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
FlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 837 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2947 times:
I work for NWA at BDL and have to say that from what I saw on the engine the the pilot did a great job of returning safely. The bird damaged 13 of the outer blades and the pinnacle mechanics said that if it had damaged any of the interior ones that they would have to do an engine change. I assume that it didn't considering it left BDL earlier this afternoon.
Just my 2 Cents
The opinions I post are of mine and mine alone, not of the airline I work for.
FlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 837 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2937 times:
OH by the way there was another emergency landing at BDL today but it was a Comair CRJ200. Don't know what happened though.
Just my 2 cents
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LimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 693 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2905 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8): I cant figure why they circled for an hour. I know they said to burn off fuel, but when you are flying with a damaged engine, esp if it was both engines, seems like the heavier landing would be less risky than staying in the air. I guess it mustnt have been too bad, but every case ive heard of, the plane immediatley returned for landing.
All that was needed is for the aircraft to get down to max landing weight or MLW to make a safe landing without damage to the landing gears. I would assume that even though the engine suffered a birdstrike, it was still operating, so there was no great need to return immediately, unless the engine caught fire. In the case if Jetblue, their goal was not only to get below MLW, but to the lightest possible weight so that loads on the nose gear would be at an absolute minimum.
You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
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