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NW Airlink Plane Makes Emergency Landing At BDL  
User currently offlineFlyTweed From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

It looks like birds are to blame for this one... http://www.WTNH.com/Global/story.asp?s=3956364

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User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5688 times:

FlyTweed,
Do you know how the plane was damaged? I wonder why they only circled for an hour opposed to the Jet Blue flight that circled for a few hours. Nonetheless, it's amazing how even one little bird can cause havoc for a big bird!
Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 



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User currently offlineAirWest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5677 times:

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 1):
I wonder why they only circled for an hour opposed to the Jet Blue flight that circled for a few hours.

Most likely because it was a CRJ, which would be carrying much less fuel than an A320.

Zach


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5619 times:

The plane hit more than one bird? The article says "after hitting a number of birds".... I mean CRJ is small jet and it hit a number of birds.. I'd like to see pictures of damage and see it for myself.

Photo of Northwest Airlines CRJ (Pinnacle Airlines) mentioned in the article... (not sure about specific aircraft type series)
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User currently offlineFlyTweed From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

Boeingfanyyz,

As for the fuel, the jet was a CRJ, so I would assume it was carrying far less fuel than an A320. Also, B6's A320 was bound from Burbank, CA, to JFK, a significantly longer haul than the CRJ's flight here, which was from Hartford to Indianapolis.
Bird strikes are funny things - sometimes birds can get caught up in the engines while other times they can put a nice dent in the nose of an aircraft. Regardless, I'm a bit puzzled here because if the birds did not get entangled with the engine, I can't figure out why the aircraft wouldn't continue to IND. Although another possibility is some sort of problem with the birds and the landing gear. Any ideas?

-Marcus


User currently offlineErj-145mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5392 times:

Quoting FlyTweed (Reply 4):
Regardless, I'm a bit puzzled here because if the birds did not get entangled with the engine, I can't figure out why the aircraft wouldn't continue to IND

The crew would rather find out if there was a problem in a controlled environment than find out otherwise. Its better safe than sorry.


User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

Quoting FlyTweed (Reply 4):
Regardless, I'm a bit puzzled here because if the birds did not get entangled with the engine, I can't figure out why the aircraft wouldn't continue to IND.

You have got to be kidding me. First off, Pinnacle is already under the watchful eye of the FAA for the crash of their CRJ last year in Missouri.

Second, when you're the pilot in command of an aircraft carrying your crew and 42 passengers, are you going to take any sort of risk in continuing a 3 hour flight?

Lastly, airplanes are made from aluminum, not steel. When a bird hits them below normal cruise flight, aluminum has a tendancy to dent very easily, unlike steel, which I heard Canadair will be using on their next RJ
 Wink


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

Quoting FlyTweed (Reply 4):
I can't figure out why the aircraft wouldn't continue to IND.

All kinds of things that might get damaged- leading edge components, pitot tubes, vert. stabilizer, flaps, etc. Not worth taking a chance without really knowing what damages may have occured.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5257 times:

Quoting FlyTweed (Reply 4):
I can't figure out why the aircraft wouldn't continue to IND.

I cant figure why they circled for an hour. I know they said to burn off fuel, but when you are flying with a damaged engine, esp if it was both engines, seems like the heavier landing would be less risky than staying in the air. I guess it mustnt have been too bad, but every case ive heard of, the plane immediatley returned for landing.

Worst strike ive heard of in the US with a return for landinf was a US 737 at DAB in the mid 90's Both engines struck over 100 birds and according to witnesses the plane struggled to make it back.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

I work for NWA at BDL and have to say that from what I saw on the engine the the pilot did a great job of returning safely. The bird damaged 13 of the outer blades and the pinnacle mechanics said that if it had damaged any of the interior ones that they would have to do an engine change. I assume that it didn't considering it left BDL earlier this afternoon.

Just my 2 Cents



The opinions I post are of mine and mine alone, not of the airline I work for.
User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5109 times:

OH by the way there was another emergency landing at BDL today but it was a Comair CRJ200. Don't know what happened though.

Just my 2 cents



The opinions I post are of mine and mine alone, not of the airline I work for.
User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8):
I cant figure why they circled for an hour. I know they said to burn off fuel, but when you are flying with a damaged engine, esp if it was both engines, seems like the heavier landing would be less risky than staying in the air. I guess it mustnt have been too bad, but every case ive heard of, the plane immediatley returned for landing.

All that was needed is for the aircraft to get down to max landing weight or MLW to make a safe landing without damage to the landing gears. I would assume that even though the engine suffered a birdstrike, it was still operating, so there was no great need to return immediately, unless the engine caught fire. In the case if Jetblue, their goal was not only to get below MLW, but to the lightest possible weight so that loads on the nose gear would be at an absolute minimum.



You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

Quoting September11 (Reply 3):
Photo of Northwest Airlines CRJ (Pinnacle Airlines) mentioned in the article...

So THAT's what a CRJ looks like in NWA Colors... I've always wondered.  Yeah sure


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