Boeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2 Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7663 times:
Hey,
How on earth do you get a jumpseat ride? Do you have to have some form of connection with the airline, or can any Joe walk off the street and ask for a jumpseat? Is it a game-time decision or can you book in advance? Extra security?
Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz
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S12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7653 times:
Oh boy. Here we go.
In the US I know for sure that you MUST be a captain or FO with the airline you work for to have jump seat privilages. Otherwise...not gonna happen. Ever.
Hmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2088 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7645 times:
I do not think it is possible. I think some foreign carriers might allow an airline employee to ride jumpseat, but probably far fewer today. In Canada, I think you are out of luck.
But that would be nice, eh?
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AASTEW From Dominican Republic, joined Oct 2001, 443 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7645 times:
Be an airline pilot with the carrier or work for a carrier that has reciprocal J/S agreement's (CASS). Or work for B6 all employees can J/S. Also, at B6 O/A crewmember's can J/S.
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7598 posts, RR: 40 Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7643 times:
Canadian airlines are not as strict as US airlines in this matter, but also not as generous as other foreign carriers.
If you want to ride a jumpseat, I suggest you stay away from any US airline. I have had the oppurtunity to jumpseat on WS and AC in recent years, and I didn't know anyone who worked for the company. Best bet is just to ask and fly a foreign carrier.
Boeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7622 times:
ACDC8,
When you checked-in, did you just ask the ticket-agent if there was a jump-seat available? Or did you actually ask the captain/f/o when you got on-board? Obviously, I really want to get on a jumpseat!
Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz
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Kevinl1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 51 Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7619 times:
UPS allows emloyees to ride on some routes. I wonder if smaller freight carriers offer rides. Wrap yourself in bubble pack and go as cargo. I was lucky enough to BS my way into a jump seat ride from CUN to LAX. A320. Got great video. Landing @ LAX at night is fantastic. This was pre 9-11. Left my wife back in coach. Boy, was she pissed!
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7598 posts, RR: 40 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7610 times:
Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 7): When you checked-in, did you just ask the ticket-agent if there was a jump-seat available? Or did you actually ask the captain/f/o when you got on-board? Obviously, I really want to get on a jumpseat!
I'll just usually ask the flight crew. Try to get to the gate early, and sometimes the crew will hang out at the gate for a few minutes before they board, that's usually the best chance. Main thing is thought, don't get discouraged if they say no, chances are you'll be hearing that often.
Anyway, I'm off to the pub for a quick dinner and pint then I promised my "potential" future girlfriend we'd watch a movie tonight, so I'll talk to you later. And, BTW, good luck!
FutureFO From New Caledonia, joined Oct 2001, 3095 posts, RR: 24 Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7588 times:
With all the new restrictions and security issues, there is almost no chance of getting in the j/s on any carrier. It is getting easier nowadays for airline crewmembers to ride in the j/s again. From 9/11 until very recently only company crewmembers would be allowed to ride up front, all other jumpseaters would have to occupy an open seat in the cabin.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7524 times:
In Canada, access to the jumpseat is restricted to company pilots, dispatchers, Transport Canada inspectors, and employees who are travelling on company business.
Unfortunately for you, it is very clear in black and white that nobody else shall have access to the flight deck during flight. Even when there is movement from the cabin to the flight deck during flight (i.e. pilot taking a washroom break or f/a entering the flight deck), they do try to block the front galley area, and communication is established between those involved.
Your only hope is with some foreign airlines, and even then the list is very small. Otherwise, get a job with an airline where you'd be expected to travel on company business from time to time.
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Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2984 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7457 times:
You can forget that idea.
Quoting S12PPL (Reply 1): In the US I know for sure that you MUST be a captain or FO with the airline you work for
I believe mechanics can also ride up front, at least with some carriers.
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777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11308 posts, RR: 17 Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7429 times:
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I got a jumpseat ride last year from AKL-WLG on NZ. All I did was ask the FA when I was boarding if I could possibly have a quick talk with the pilot, the FA got me to wait while she asked and within a few minutes I was on the flightdeck and sitting in the FOs seat being showen all the gadgets and allowed to activate some of them, I then asked if it was possible to j/s and they happily said yes. The senior FA was informed that I will be riding up front and she got the j/s ready for me while I watched the pilots preparing for depature. About 5 minutes before push back the pilot stopped his checks and handed me some headphones so I could listen into ATC and showed me the volume control on the overhead panel. During the taxi while the pilot was doing his announcements he welcomed me on the flight deck.
DCrawley From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 371 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7409 times:
Quoting S12PPL (Reply 1): In the US I know for sure that you MUST be a captain or FO with the airline you work for to have jump seat privilages.
I wouldn't be so sure if I were you because your statement is incorrect.
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EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7388 times:
The chances in the US... Zero.
The chances in Canada... not much better
The regulations (US) around this are very strict and the list of people allowed in the cockpit while in flight is VERY short. As was said above, for regulations in the US look up FAR 121.547. It's my understanding the Canadian CAB closely follows the same wording.
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2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7346 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 18): The chances in the US... Zero.
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 18): As was said above, for regulations in the US look up FAR 121.547.
According to 121.547...
Any person who has the permission of the pilot in command, an
appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder and
the Administrator.
...may ride in the jumpseat.
So, the chances are considerably higher than zero.
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7598 posts, RR: 40 Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7332 times:
It is interesting by the replies from some members stating that it is impossible to get a ride on the jump seat on Canadian airlines unless you are an airline employee, etc. Yet it still happens (I know this through personal experience) despite current federal regulations and/or company policies. I managed to ride the jump seat on an AC A340 from FRA to YYC in 2003 and on a WS B732 from YYC to YLW last December. I guess the flight crew must have forgotten about the current regulations.
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5427 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7302 times:
AA777jr—
Simple answer? That's a definate no.
Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
Any person who has the permission of the pilot in command, an
appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder and
the Administrator.
...may ride in the jumpseat.
So, the chances are considerably higher than zero.
Try quoting the ENTIRE text......
(i) Has permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder, and the Administrator; and
(ii) Is an employee of—
(A) The United States, or
(B) A part 119 certificate holder and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation; or
(C) An aeronautical enterprise certificated by the Administrator and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation.
Nice try.... sorry, your still wrong
[Edited 2005-10-10 08:00:23]
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AirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1492 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7303 times:
You need a parent who flies the airplane to ask the captain or the passenger agent. Before the 9/11 I used to fly in the jumpseat several times when I go with my dad when he's flying the airplane. I sat in the flight deck on DC9-30s
and B767-200s. I usually ask my dad to talk to the captain. Only three times I sat in the flight deck for the duration of the flight from ZRH to ZAG B767-200ER one way, from YFC to YQM DC9-30 and YYZ to POS B767-200ER also one way for both flights. When I go with my dad I normally fly in business class or economy class but few times in first class. Also during the flight I get to wear the headset so I can hear my dad and the captain talking to the control tower people. Oh by the way my dad worked for AC
25 ZOTAN: Ill be flying BA from LAX-LHR-GVA and then back again. Any chance I could j/s, or does BA not allow this?
26 Jeff G: Not quite. That only applies to the FA jumpseats in the cabin. The cockpit jumpseat is as restricted as everyone else's.
27 PipoA380: Also consider some IB pilots may also be photogs for Airliners, which is the case I believe. Then, on LX ZRH-GVA 2 days ago I went into the cockpit w
28 LY4XELD: You could try a maintenance flight if you have connections...I recently got on a 777 maintenance flight (heavy check flight) sitting in the left obser
29 HAWK21M: Out here. If you are a Licenced personnell working in that Airline [Pilot/AME/Flight Despatcher] or a Management HOD. Else NO. regds MEL
30 Sabena332: Book an Air France flight and ask kindly, worked thrice for me already past 9/11. Patrick
31 Goaliemn: I can tell you the airline I work for only allows "crew" badged employees in the cockpit jumpseat. If you work for another airline, there is a way to
32 SuperD: In the US, you may ride the jumpseat if you are Secret Service, FAA, a pilot for the airline, a dispatcher for the airline, a mechanic for the airline
33 2H4: Well, seeing as I've actually done it, the chances are considerably higher than zero. Fact. 2H4
34 777STL: UPS air crew maybe, but not regular employees.
35 Allessandro: Move to Europe and then when you catch a flight just ask the FA to have a quick chat with the flight crew before you enter the cabin to be seated. If
36 Wdleiser: Post 9/11 I was flying standbye on Continental on a Lufthansa pass thing (forgot how it worked) but I was to fly to Newark from Houston and the 3rd f
37 Jetdeltamsy: Managment of UPS Airlines (the air division of UPS) may ride jumpseat. My neice is a manager for UPS Airlines @ DEC and she is allow to jumpseat.
38 AndrewUber: Evidence to the contrary: Try to get all the facts before you get snotty with folks here in the forum. There ARE ways of getting flight benefits. No,
39 JMJAirways: Hey! Jumpseated this summer with Alitalia... had the opportunity of meeting the crew at the airport and I asked they were glad to have me in the jumps
40 ACDC8: I'm willing to bet that most members who claim that riding a jumpseat is "impossible" unless this and that and stating regs and policies have neither:
41 SA006: No views from the southern hermisphere so far , but down here in South Africa , jumpseating is easy. I've jumpseated more than a dozen times (mainly b
42 EMBQA: Freight-Dawg, the facts are FAR 121.547..!! If the flight crew chooses to violate that, that is up to them. They are the ones risking their career if
43 Pilot kaz: Luck was on my side today! Booked MAD-CDG-LHR around 1 and a half hours before departure.. So when I board the aircraft I ask this there is any chance
44 Goldenshield: Andrew— That first photograph in the 737 was taken during a test flight operating under part 91, which is GA rules, which means that since they are
45 Wdleiser: Risking their carriers? Maybe on a US airline flying in US airspace with some over patriotic passenger who complains about the patriotic law that was
46 EMBQA: Two things you have wrong... FAR 121.547 is not new. It dates back to the early 1970's. Two, I know of one case were the gate agent at the arrival ai
47 Wdleiser: Tell me the latest firing of a crew Post 9/11 on a significant carrier.
48 ASFlyer: There is no way of getting on any U.S. commercial passenger airliner without being either a Pilot of that or another U.S. airline, or a dispatcher. C
49 ASFlyer: This coming from a 17 year old that lists Executive as his occupation in his profile. Executive of what? The school cafeteria?
50 ASFlyer: There probably hasn't been one because U.S. carriers do not allow non qualified personnel on the flight deck jumpseat.
51 BeechNut: Pre-9/11 in Canada, it visits to the flight deck were at the captain's discretion. I am only a humble private pilot. I have no relatives working for
52 EMBQA: Now that sounds like fun...!! I've got hours-hours of j/s time and I'd take that offer..!!
53 Captaingomes: To those who have been or claimed to have been in the jumpseat during flight of an airliner being operated under US or Canadian flight rules, the flig
54 FutureFO: Remember tho that not every airline is in the CASS system. Even as a FA we can not FD Jumpseat. To do that on our own airline, we have to jump through
55 2H4: As stated in 121.547, so long as the specified conditions are met, no violations are made and no careers are risked. It's not easy for one who isn't
56 Boeingfanyyz: Captaingomes, Do you mean to say that if you ask before boarding commences, you will be allowed on the craft before any boarding? That would be cool!
57 EMBQA: It is easy to say NO if you fall into the 13 - 15 yr old age bracket in reference to the FAR. No. He means if you ask before boarding, the gate agent
58 Captaingomes: 2H4, I definitely don't doubt what you post. It's always good to get different perspectives. Boeingfanyyz, I wasn't saying that actually. What I meant
59 2H4: Ah, I see what you're saying...good point. Oh, I agree 100%, and didn't mean to imply otherwise. I know, in the past, controllers were encouraged to
60 Bman351: Canadian Aviation Regulations (CAR's) state that "an inspector designated by the minister may enter the flight deck at anytime during a flight as long
61 SuperD: I forgot about that. I know they could at one time, but I don't see anything about ATC mentioned in our policy. Our airline allows cockpit jumpseats
62 2H4: Heh heh...I know exactly what you mean. On one of my flights, an FAA inspector rode up front and claimed the good jumpseat, so I got stuck in the sam
63 ASFlyer: Where have they been mentioned? There is absolutely NO WAY for ANYONE other than a Pilot, Dispatcher or senior company executive to sit on the jumpse
64 ZOTAN: What are British Airways policies with jumpseating? Is it still possible for the average joe?
65 OPNLguy: I got stuck in that corner on a Piedmont 737-200 CLT-DFW, 150-knot headwind, and a 300 lb. FAA guy in the center jumpseat. Thought I was gonna die. W
66 SuperD: Mechanics, certain government employees, or honestly any employee with the proper documentation (FAA-approval, company officer authorization) can all
67 2H4: Ok, ASFlyer....here it is, in it's entirety: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sec. 121.547 - Admission to fl
68 ASFlyer: 2H4 - Let me just say this. With VERY FEW exceptions, unless you are a Pilot, Dispatcher or FAA inspector, you will not be sitting in a flight deck ju
69 AndrewUber: Good point... The thread starter did mean on a passenger jet - I took it as a bit more broad, so you are correct in that matter - it is a LOT more di
70 NetworkDoc: For flight deck jump seats: Strictly BA flight and cabin crew only (with crew ID at gate) - not even other BA staff. Cabin jump seats: other staff ca
71 FutureFO: Cabin Jumpseats for us are only to be used by company F/A's that are qualified on that particular aircraft. If we have a 170 f/a they cannot occupy ou
72 Goldenshield: Forgive that. I saw the thumbnail and assumed it was a picture that was in the top 100 a few weeks ago of an America West plane that was in a test fl
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