Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
PanAm2 / CarnivalAirlines  
User currently offlineTWAneedsHELP From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (15 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 983 times:

This is a sort of open ended question. Is anyone familar with either of these two airlines, like where they flew, where they hubbed, what they flew, why did they merge, were they successful at all? Thanks. I live in FLA and remember taking a few Carnival flights on FLL-JFK runs, but I don't remember what type of plane it was and what kind of presence Carnival/Pan Am had at either end. Now with a huge increase of service on this route with B6 starting, DLX expanding, and Metrojet flying to LGA, I'm curious to know how the pioneers did. Thanks.


1 replies: All unread, jump to last
User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1577 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (15 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 947 times:

The original Pan Am II flew from Miami to New York on its inaugural route, using an A300-B4, formerly with Eastern, named Clipper Fair Wind. Service to LA from Miami was started later using another former Eastern A300 named Clipper America (different a/c from the original ones that bore these names). Pan Am II was headquartered at Miami.

The airline quickly expanded to destinations like San Juan and Santo Domingo, flying from both New York and Miami with the A300s. Then the company bought out fledgling Carnival Airlines, which had started up about four years previously out of MIA/FLL and offerend low-fare flights that would feed the Carnival Cruise Lines' ships. The company was in bad financial shape, however.

Pan Am's motivation, I think, was to quickly expand their fleet, market share, and destination list very cheaply so that they could become more of a player in the south Florida marketplace. However, buying out a bankrupt carrier (actually, two bankrupt carriers, when you count Chalk's Int'l, which became the Pan Am Air Bridge) is not the best way to remain financially stable. It was deja vu all over again, as Yogi Berra would say, as the National debacle of the early 80s repeated itself in the disguise of Carnival. The combined carrier's service declined, on-time performance worsened, and passengers started staying away. The ValuJet crash outside Miami also hurt the airline, as people became more skeptical of the safety of start-up carriers. By early 1998, Pan Am II was out of business.

The combined Pan Am/Carnival flew at least 8 A300-B4s, 3 737-400s, and 4 727-200s (There were more, I just can't find info on them). Pan Am Air Bridge had three Grumman Mallard seaplanes. You can find a route map, with the combined Pan Am, Carnival, and Pan Am Air Bridge routes here:


Hope that helps.  

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...