FlygMolinaFmly From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 107 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11020 times:
Just wondering why the pilot and co-pilot are sitting in each others seats?
As you can see from their uniforms, the pilot is clearly in the copilot's seat since he has the "four stripes" on his shirt. The co-pilot which is sitting in the pilot's seat has only "three stripes".
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11001 times:
Hi!
Some airlines and some captains don't mind changing seats with first officers, I don't know what are the policies for this but one option could be give the first officer the chance to fly the plane from the seat one day he'll have. Just a curiosity, Howard Hughes ALWAYS loved to fly an airplane from from the right seat!!! One day when he was going to test fly the CV880 the Convair testing pilot asked if HH wanted to be in the left seat and he said he prefered to fly it from the right seat!
Regards
XJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2345 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10983 times:
My initial thought was that the F/O is riding with the airline's check airman. Perhaps the F/O is trying to upgrade to being Captain.
GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2063 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10900 times:
Possibly the flight is headed to a British colony where they drive on the opposite side of the road.
Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
A330 From Belgium, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 649 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10875 times:
Planemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 989 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10774 times:
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10723 times:
I took a QF flight (PER-HKG) a while back where the FO was on the last test flights before getting her 4th stripe. She was in the left seat with her 3 stripes and the other two pilots were 4 stripers. This could be the situation here and, if the guy did a good job, he might just stay in the left seat for a long time with that extra stripe.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4553 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10632 times:
In the recent fatal Pinnacle crash, the captain and f/o had changed seats prior to or during their goofing around.
It was quite clear from the testimony of the witnesses at the NTSB investigation that seat-switching of this nature was a direct violation of the approved procedures and was considered surprising and improper. I think that it is probable that it will be listed as a contributing factor in the accident, either independently or as part of the pilots' overall inattention to procedure.
Skyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10573 times:
By FAA definition the PIC (pilot in command) is the person who is properly rated at the controls however in the cause of a dual crew it is the person sitting in the left seat who is PIC or Captain. But then again maybe the airline hasn't gotten the new captain's epaulets or they are one of the few airlines that do in flight training without going to the sim.
KAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1955 posts, RR: 37 Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10541 times:
The only time this would be done at my airline is during Line training for a First Officer who is upgrading to Captain.
Bond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10526 times:
Quoting Skyexramper (Reply 13): By FAA definition the PIC (pilot in command) is the person who is properly rated at the controls however in the cause of a dual crew it is the person sitting in the left seat who is PIC or Captain.
PIC has little or nothing to do with left or right seat. The right seat pilot could be PIC, and in fact during the time he is 'sole manipulator' of the controls, he can log PIC. The acting PIC can be the same or different pilot, and this is determined BEFORE the flight for Part 121 (and 135). This most likely is the Captain, but need not be. Therefore 2 pilots could be logging PIC at the same time - the 'acting PIC', and the PIC flying the plane.
....of course this has nothing to do with the question!
Jimbo
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CALPilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 995 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10513 times:
At my airline you get wear your 4th strip after the rating ride in the sim. The first time you fly the airplane with pax from the left seat on IOE, you've got 4.
Wdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 958 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10502 times:
FlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6282 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10308 times:
Quoting B744F (Reply 3): Or the Captain could be letting the FO get use to the "sidestick" on the left
There is no getting used to it. It is a very simple transition which takes a few hours in a sim to flying with your right hand to fly with your left hand.
The most likely reason is the FO in the left seat is getting training or he just sat there because it was pre-flight. Captain and FO walked out to greet pax and than FO walked in before captain and shut the plane down in the left seat and captain took a seat in the right seat.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Sq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10267 times:
Less problem in this case if they're flying Boeing. Is Airbus the only manufacturer using the sidestick?
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3952 posts, RR: 36 Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10130 times:
Quoting Sq212 (Reply 19): Less problem in this case if they're flying Boeing. Is Airbus the only manufacturer using the sidestick?
Cheers
100% incorrect... whether you have a side stick or yoke.. if you fly from the left seat your left hand is on the yoke/stick and your right hand is on the thrust levers.... vice versa from the right seat. You fly with one hand. This is something that non-pilots have a very hard time understanding, it seems.
By the time you finish your upgrade simulator time, you're pretty much used to flying with the other hand already. At my airline after you complete your simulator training and start your line IOE for captain, you are wearing 4 stripes- unlike this picture. Airlines overseas tend to do things a bit different, though.
CO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10053 times:
I know at CO it is possible to see 2 F/Os in the flight deck but this would be only during cruise. This would happen on flights over 8 hours where a relief pilot is needed. This is legal because all F/Os at CO are type rated in the aircraft they fly.
Two Captains could be a number of things:
Check Airman giving IOE
Reserve CA filling in for the FO
Displaced CA who is a FO and is still alowed to wear 4 stripes
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Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4553 posts, RR: 17 Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10022 times:
Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 20): if you fly from the left seat your left hand is on the yoke/stick and your right hand is on the thrust levers.... vice versa from the right seat
Slightly off topic, but...
Every rotorcraft I have flown is set up the same in the left and right seat; left hand on the collective, right hand on the cyclic; obviously different with fixed-wing, and really no big deal in fixed-wing to fly in either seat. Although it would of course be possible to fly with the other hand in a rotorcraft -- and one does hold the cyclic sometimes with the left hand while doing something with the right, somehow it seems less natural, without the same sense of touch, although that's maybe's just because I am right-handed. I wonder what the evolution of that concept is (besides the obvious issue of fixed-wing aircraft having a single set of thrust levers). Is the sense of -- for lack of better words -- balance and coordination necessary to hover something that folks decided would be too troublesome to learn ambidexterously and thus set up both seats with identical controls? Kind of like learning to play a guitar upside down or a drum set reversed? Or is it just kismet?
Seven3Seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 295 posts, RR: 26 Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9889 times:
Why do people on this website think they know EVERYTHING?
Why do they feel it necessary to spout off on every subject?
There are like 20 opinons on this thread, mostly from people who have no clue
My views are mine alone and are not that of any of my fellow employees, officers, or directors at my company
JRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4597 posts, RR: 51 Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9800 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
No way !!! The Captain is always on the left and the Co-pilot on the right.
I would back down a bit. I know from a HV captain that they used to be certified to fly from both the left AND the right seat, with the PF in the left seat and the PNF in the right seat. They dropped this due to the costs, not operational issues.
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25 Mandala499: F/O flying from leftseat = Captaincy line training. Capt flying from right seat = Check Captain/instructor/becoming of these mentioned. B744F, What's
26 UA777222: Regardless the PIC is the PIC. The Capitan has the final say in any discussed matters regardless if they are right or wrong in their opinions/order. T
27 Sq212: Value your inputs. I know adjustments will not be a problem for pilots. Just like we're driving a right or left-handed cars where controls is other w
29 LPLAspotter: Can't remember when and where, but i remember reading about an FE taking the captains seat during takeoff since the captain insisted that he do it to
30 9VSRH: Guys he is definately a 'command trainee', it just lets the Senior First Officer have some preparation with a check airman before he has his 4th strip
31 Mandala499: Can't remember when and where, but i remember reading about an FE taking the captains seat during takeoff since the captain insisted that he do it to
32 PIA777: The lettering for ENG1 and ENG2 on the top are not backwards so its not a mirror images. PIA777
33 Eilennaei: Should be on this list, and I think there's a candidate. http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Event=FCU What's that unknown Indonesian carr
34 MD80fanatic: I thought they accidently grabbed each other's shirt out of the dryer. A simple laundry mistake....and the crowd goes wild at A.net. LOL
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