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When Will BA Order The B-787-800, B-747-ADV?  
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12175 posts, RR: 51
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7205 times:

BA has been a B-747-400 operator for close to 20 years now. I'm sure these airplanes will have to be replaced beginning within the next 8 years or so. The B-767-300ERs are also old and will need to be replaced within the next 8-10 years.

That leaves BA with only the B-777-200ERs as their long range jet. These airplanes are relitively young at less than 10 years old.

I know BA got burned a little by being a launch customer on the B-777-200ERs. But is there a timing possibility of being a launch customer on the B-747-ADV? It is not really a completely new design, it is a derivitive airplane. It will also be available with the same RR engines (except non-bleedless version) as the B-787-800. BA already has maintenance and crew training experience with their B-747-400s, so transisioning to the B-747-ADV shouldn't be as expensive as buying a new type. Additionally, the B-747-ADV will carry more cargo and passengers than it's older sister, the B-747-400. The newer model should make a good profit on every route it flys.

Buying new B-787-800s will introduce a new type into the BA fleet, but there isn't much choice there, unless BA decides to buy either the B-777-300ER or the B-777-200LR. As any other Boeing or Airbus airplane will be a new type. The B-787-800 seems to be a perfect fit for BA to replace the B-767-300ERs, it has more range and cargo capability, and carries more passengers. It is a great growth airplane for BA.

BA only has four other long range airplane choices, all from Airbus. The A-380-800, which I believe is to big for BA and will cost them a fortune in infastructure improvements. The A-340-600 is a choice, but does not carry as many passengers and cargo as the B-777-300ER, but has more range. The A-340-600 compares more closely to the B-777-200LR, but has shorter range, about the same number of passengers, and less cargo carrying capability.

The A-350-800 could be a competitor to the B-787-800 buy, but it (if you believe Boeing) may cost up to 20% more to operate.

Finally, there is the A-330-200/300. This is a mature airplane now, and I believe is Airbus's best chance to sell to BA. The A-330-200/300 has some impressive numbers, and the type has been selected by the RAF as their new tanker, with BA doing the maintenance. So, BA will have some experience with the A-330. I do not know how they feel about buying a 1990s ventage design, when there is an updated version of the A-330, the A-350 with newer technoligy available.

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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

>> I know BA got burned a little by being a launch customer on the B-777-200ERs. But is there a timing possibility of being a launch customer on the B-747-ADV?

It's possible, but this possibility has been discussed hundreds of times. There isn't any new information, so I see this as a further redundancy...

>> The B-787-800 seems to be a perfect fit for BA to replace the B-767-300ERs,

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>> The A-340-600 is a choice, but does not carry as many passengers and cargo as the B-777-300ER, but has more range.

Zero chance in hell that plane will ever fly in BA colors. It has an acedotal amount of range over the 773ER that amounts to nothing in an opperational sense.

It is an inferior and completly foreign fleet type to what would easily integrate into BA's fleet, the 773ER.

>> . The A-340-600 compares more closely to the B-777-200LR, but has shorter range, about the same number of passengers, and less cargo carrying capability.

The 772LR and A346 are not competitors, the 772LR competes with the A345. It isn't much of a competition, either.

The 772LR would only have a chance at BA if Boeing could demonstrate or promise round trip LHR-SYD and SYD-LHR, year-round, with a viable payload. Other than that, the current 648k (656k ?) 772ER suffice for their route network.

>> The A-350-800 could be a competitor to the B-787-800 buy, but it (if you believe Boeing) may cost up to 20% more to operate.

That isn't Boeing's claim.


>> This is a mature airplane now, and I believe is Airbus's best chance to sell to BA.The A-330-200/300 has some impressive numbers, and the type has been selected by the RAF as their new tanker, with BA doing the maintenance.

It's probably the worst time, Boeing would have an equal chance with the 767-400ER. For the same financial investment, they could order the much more advanced (and desirable) 787 or A350.

The A330's days as a canidate in fleet renewal are past. It's remaining role at Airbus is a fill-in tool for new customers awaiting A350 deliveries.

[Edited 2005-10-11 04:53:24]

User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
When Will BA Order The B-787-800, B-747-ADV?

Ooh boy...not another thread about when BA will Boeing airplanes. You can find at least two threads about this in this forum in the last 48 hours.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
I know BA got burned a little by being a launch customer on the B-777-200ERs.

Was BA really the launch customer for 772ER? I can bet they were'nt but I could be wrong like I've been known to be most of the times.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
Buying new B-787-800s will introduce a new type into the BA fleet, but there isn't much choice there, unless BA decides to buy either the B-777-300ER or the B-777-200LR. As any other Boeing or Airbus airplane will be a new type. The B-787-800 seems to be a perfect fit for BA to replace the B-767-300ERs, it has more range and cargo capability, and carries more passengers. It is a great growth airplane for BA.

Why do I get the feeling you're a Boeing cheerleader? The A350 is a head to head competitor with the 788 but you didn't mention it. I heard the new BA chief is a big Airbus fan.


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 2):
The A350 is a head to head competitor with the 788 but you didn't mention it.

I take that back.. I guess I should have read all your post before replying  banghead 


User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7077 times:

Well, we do know one thing for certain: BA will definately order something, of course, the question is what?

Broughton stated earlier this year that BA would begin a 9 month review of their fleet requirements. If that review has already started then it should be completed in about 6 months. At that time, he did mention the 787 and 747ADV but he did not see the A350 as being the "right sort of aircraft for BA". For his part, Eddington thought the 777ER a "wonderful" 744 replacement. But he did also mention they had just refurbished their 767s and that they would be flying for another 5 years. So, if they did decide on the 787, when would they have to order them for delivery in 2010?

I also asked this question in another thread: When BA move into T5 in March 2008, it will have 5 stands capable of handling the A380. Is that a clue?

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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7060 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
>> The A-350-800 could be a competitor to the B-787-800 buy, but it (if you believe Boeing) may cost up to 20% more to operate.

That isn't Boeing's claim.

You can put just about any two jets say 777 or 747 or 330 whatever, load them up with different weights one light, one heavy, different CG's, one at high and one at low cruise altitude and have in excess of 20% differance in operating costs.

A 773ER will cost more to operate on a 300 nm trip with 100 pax than a 772 will, 3000 nm trip and 300 pax its the other way around, statements like that mean nothing to most people on here.



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User currently offlineSlarty From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

In another thread, Revelation referenced this article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...heet=/money/2005/10/09/ixcoms.html

Of particular note:

"...

Perhaps most striking, Walsh has no plans to expand the airline until at least 2009. He points out that BA has spent lots of money on modernising its fleet and that it will not need to replace any aircraft for several years.

"At this stage, I can't see us taking delivery of additional aircraft until after we've moved into Terminal Five," Walsh says. "So realistically you are looking at probably 2009 before we would be talking about taking delivery of any additional aircraft."

And he rules out replacing any of his existing aircraft with the A380, the superjumbo being developed by Airbus.

"I'm pleased that we haven't ordered them," Walsh says. "I can say that quite genuinely. I wouldn't like to be one of the first airlines to introduce the aircraft. It is a significant change. I think any new aircraft takes time to bed in."

He points out that with a list price of $305m (£175m), he needs some convincing that the economics of the new plane will stack up.

..."


User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6976 times:

Quoting Slarty (Reply 6):

"I'm pleased that we haven't ordered them," Walsh says. "I can say that quite genuinely. I wouldn't like to be one of the first airlines to introduce the aircraft. It is a significant change. I think any new aircraft takes time to bed in."

Maybe as of right now. Then again, is he insulting their partners QF for ordering them?


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6947 times:

"The A330's days as a canidate in fleet renewal are past. It's remaining role at Airbus is a fill-in tool for new customers awaiting A350 deliveries."

Jet Airways (10), TAP (11), Kingfisher (5), and Air China (20) have all ordered the A330 for the first time this year, while both the 787 and A350 were also offered.



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User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6926 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 8):
Jet Airways (10), TAP (11), Kingfisher (5), and Air China (20) have all ordered the A330 for the first time this year, while both the 787 and A350 were also offered.

China needs capacity for the 2008 Olympics and India is growing like crazy; both need frames now, not in 2010 when the A350 enters service or 787 slots are available. The TAP order was a bit of a mystery, but it also sounded like they did not want to wait for A350s or 787s.

A better way to frame is subject is that the likelihood of Airbus delivering many A330s beyond 2010 is very low. There are few missions for which an A330 would be more economical than an A350.

--B2707SST

[Edited 2005-10-11 08:22:35]


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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
It is not really a completely new design, it is a derivitive airplane. It will also be available with the same RR engines (except non-bleedless version) as the B-787-800.

I'm surprised no-one has picked up on this. Has the GE exclusivity been cancelled?


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

"China needs capacity for the 2008 Olympics and India is growing like crazy"

No airline is going to purchase 20 new widebody aircraft for a 2 week event, not to mention all the other A330s, 787s and A380s ordered by the other Chinese airlines. I'm not sure when the last of these 20 A330s will be delivered to Air China, but I suspect it will be long after the next production slots for the 787 are available, of wich they already ordered 18. LOT, Boeings latest 787 customer will recieve their first aircraft in 2008.


"A better way to frame is subject is that the likelihood of Airbus delivering many A330s beyond 2010 is very low."

Much more likely, and 5 years later then... "The A330's days as a canidate in fleet renewal are past"

"There are few missions for which an A330 would be more economical than an A350."

If an aircraft already exist to these soon to be "few missions", and can be produced at the same assembly line as the A350, Airbus would be stupid not to keep offering it, as long as they dont have a replacement of their own.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6731 times:

Quoting Slarty (Reply 6):
And he rules out replacing any of his existing aircraft with the A380, the superjumbo being developed by Airbus.

"I'm pleased that we haven't ordered them," Walsh says. "I can say that quite genuinely. I wouldn't like to be one of the first airlines to introduce the aircraft. It is a significant change. I think any new aircraft takes time to bed in."

You kind of contradict yourself here. Walsh didn't say he rules out buying them ever, rather he wants to take the wait-and-see approach to it, because it is "a significant change". He wants to see how it performs first, then maybe consider it.

Quoting Glom (Reply 10):
I'm surprised no-one has picked up on this. Has the GE exclusivity been cancelled?

THat'on the a350. GE has exclusivity for the first 2 years IIRC. RR is actually the launch engine for the 787 (ANA).



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 12):
GE has exclusivity for the first 2 years IIRC.

So after two years, a customer can get RR on the 747ADV?


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6667 times:

Quoting Slarty (Reply 6):
"I'm pleased that we haven't ordered them," Walsh says. "I can say that quite genuinely. I wouldn't like to be one of the first airlines to introduce the aircraft. It is a significant change.

Remarkable how some people keep quoting BA as being reluctant to buy a not yet proven A380 & in the same reply say the 787 & 747adv make a good chance. Aren't these two a long way from their first flights?

Itwould strenghten KC135topbooms suggestion the A330 is an option. The A330 as an interim is a hard to beat sales tool for the A350. One can have new A330s within half a year.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
The A330's days as a canidate in fleet renewal are past

Airbus today says the a330 will be in production for another 10 years and it has sold extreme well during the last year (Air China, Eastern, Southern, CX & more likely to come..)
http://www.flightinternational.com/A...nd+will+outstrip+supply+chain.html

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
The B-787-800 seems to be a perfect fit for BA to replace the B-767-300ERs,

Short/medium range flights <4000nm? Look at the 788 range / empty weight / wing span etc..

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
The A-340-600 is a choice, but does not carry as many passengers and cargo as the B-777-300ER, but has more range.
Zero chance in hell that plane will ever fly in BA colors.

People said that about the neighbours too (VS).

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
It is an inferior and completly foreign fleet type to what would easily integrate into BA's fleet, the 773ER.

The major parts (wings & engines) are made in the UK. UK tax payer money anywhere? Apart from that full cockpit commonality with the A380 is possible.


User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1712 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 11):
No airline is going to purchase 20 new widebody aircraft for a 2 week event, not to mention all the other A330s, 787s and A380s ordered by the other Chinese airlines.

The Chinese Government has made a change to their tax laws that make it very advantageous to purchase airplanes now for delivery in the near future. The Chinese feel that the 2008 Olympics will be "a" peak in travel and they are trying to take advantage of the new tax laws before their profits dip.

Cheers


User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6615 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 2):
Was BA really the launch customer for 772ER? I can bet they were'nt but I could be wrong like I've been known to be most of the times.

You're right - they weren't. UA were, although many airlines were involved in the design process, including BA.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 14):
Remarkable how some people keep quoting BA as being reluctant to buy a not yet proven A380 & in the same reply say the 787 & 747adv make a good chance. Aren't these two a long way from their first flights?

You have a good point here. But then, the A380 is so much more aircraft than any other, with an unproven market, that more caution might be in order when compared to the 787, an aircraft for a proven market, or the 747ADV, a modernisation of an aircraft they already use.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 14):
Itwould strenghten KC135topbooms suggestion the A330 is an option. The A330 as an interim is a hard to beat sales tool for the A350. One can have new A330s within half a year.

This makes no sense for BA. They have said they don't want aircraft now so the A330 as an interim option for the A350 is moot. By the time they buy anything, they could get an A350 straight away and certainly a 787.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 14):
People said that about the neighbours too (VS).

They did? Didn't they operate the A343 before launching the A346? And didn't they buy the A346 before the 773ER was available? It would be an amazing shock if BA went with the A346 because not only is the 773ER more capable, but they already operate a large 777 fleet.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 14):
The major parts (wings & engines) are made in the UK. UK tax payer money anywhere? Apart from that full cockpit commonality with the A380 is possible.

Dumb argument. The 773ER has even more commonality (cockpit or otherwise) with their existing 777 fleet than the A346 would have with the A380, which they have not said they will evenutally buy anyway. And BA are too savvy to allow protectionism to cloud their judgement on purchasing.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6539 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 13):
So after two years, a customer can get RR on the 747ADV?

No, on the 747adv it will be just the GE. On the 787 both RR and GE are offering engines (and RR is the launch engine) and on the a350 GE will have exclusivity for 2 years (again, IIRC)



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12856 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6524 times:

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 7):
Then again, is he insulting their partners QF for ordering them?

Of course not. QF is in a totally different situation than is BA, so its aircraft requirements are totally different.

Quoting Manni (Reply 8):
Jet Airways (10), TAP (11), Kingfisher (5), and Air China (20) have all ordered the A330 for the first time this year, while both the 787 and A350 were also offered.

While I disagree with the earlier suggestion that the A330 is now solely a stopgap, you need to consider that as others have stated in this thread that one can get A330s in as little as six months from now, whereas one cannot get B787 or A350 for several years, and this is helping A330 sales. Even B767 is getting a few sales due to the much better availability dates.

Manni, may I suggest you use the "quote selected text" button above each article? It'd make it a lot easier for us to know exactly who you are quoting.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6519 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 17):
They did? Didn't they operate the A343 before launching the A346? And didn't they buy the A346 before the 773ER was available?

VS is on the record saying they will only ever operate quads. 747, A340, Concorde are acceptable. Bit surprising since SQ owns half of them.



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

Thank you for the suggestion Revelation, I never noticed that button.


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
It is not really a completely new design, it is a derivitive airplane. It will also be available with the same RR engines (except non-bleedless version) as the B-787-800.

from what I know, GE will be the exclusive supplier for the 747ADV, is there a time frame for this, I don't know, but I do think its exclusive to GE

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):

I know BA got burned a little by being a launch customer on the B-777-200ERs

as mentioned above, they weren't the launch customer for the -200ER..in fact, their first -200ER's didn't come into the fleet until 1999..these were their first RR-powered bactch of 777's.



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User currently onlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1904 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

Given "No Launch Customer" policy of BA, I'd expect a 787 order sometime after 2008, but probably before 2010. Since 787 in service entry will be in 2008 with ANA, there will be plenty of information available within a few months how the plane is performing in real life.


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User currently offlineSq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6368 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
as mentioned above, they weren't the launch customer for the -200ER..in fact, their first -200ER's didn't come into the fleet until 1999..these were their first RR-powered bactch of 777's.

Boeing website say otherwise?

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/background.html

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25 Jacobin777 : should have been more clear.....the first GE "ER's" were the IGW's, I think those were the one's Boeing has on their website, the first RR-powered ER
26 Glom : So then the OP was wrong saying BA could getthe 747ADV with RR engines.
27 KC135TopBoom : No, BA's first B-777-200ERs have GE90 engines. Yes, I was wrong. The B-747-ADV is only offered with the GEnx engines from the B-787 GE powered airpla
28 DfwRevolution : As will the A300. What's your point? For any airline considering long-term fleet renewal, as BA will in the next few years, the A330 is a dead option
29 Jacobin777 : This is from the BA website: "The first British Airways Boeing 777-200ER entered service in 1999, making it the first Rolls Royce powered version of
30 KC135TopBoom : This is from Boeing's web site. British Airways United Kingdom Europe 777-200ER GE 06-Feb-1997 1 British Airways United Kingdom Europe 777-200ER GE 1
31 Ken777 : The first question would be has BA put down some refundable money for 787 production slots? I bet they have and that they would be willing to order so
32 Scotron11 : So can anyone elaborate/speculate on why T5 will have 5 stands capable of handling the A380 if BA aren't getting any? Or are they there "just in case"
33 Post contains links and images Keesje : BA bought the A346, operated them, looked at the 777-300ER and then ordered 13+13 additional a340-600s, August 2004. (AF introduced -300ER's in April
34 Keesje : Should be VS as one might understand..
35 CHRISBA777ER : As I see it there is a shorter term need and a longer term need. 747adv - NOT going to happen in BA livery. People place too much emphasis on the comm
36 Zvezda : Interesting. I use a Mozilla/Netscape browser and have never had a problem with it.
37 CHRISBA777ER : I think because the terminal will be there for more than fifty years maybe, and it seems a bit silly to build something that doesnt even cater for th
38 ChrisM001 : BA were the first operator for the B777/GE90 combination, and one of our aircraft (G-ZZZA if I remember correctly) was used in the flight trials as i
39 Cloudyapple : It's a trivial job to reconfigure the stands/jetty and move the centre lines. Cat E and F stands are only 15m different in span so the extra space sp
40 CHRISBA777ER : And they have said never again - hence the lack of orders for the A380 thus far. As I said above - why do people still think they will suddenly forge
41 ZSOFN : That's correct - according to "Boeing 777" by Norris & Wagner, G-ZZZA undertook 1000 cycle validation tests, building up 300 hours on the GE90s as th
42 Jacobin777 : interesting..its probably a matter of semantics as BA's first GE-based "200ER" are what they call "BOEING 777-200IGW"....so that's what the confusion
43 CHRISBA777ER : LOL Jacobin777 - read what I said about the A380 and noting the reasons why BA havent ordered it this far, explain to me, please if you would be so ki
44 Jetlagged : BA has always bought long haul Boeings in preference to anything else. The executives like their trips to Seattle too much. They only got into operati
45 ChrisM001 : The A380 operating costs are estimated to be 15% better than a 747-400. Boeings proposal for the 747ADV is for it to be 20% better than the 747-400,
46 Glom : Wasn't he also a GE fan? He really took over the wrong company if his biases are that important. I think we should give him a little more credit. I t
47 Shenzhen : My guess is that they will need to order wide bodies within 6 to 12 months if they have any requirement in the next 5 years. Will they purchase the 74
48 CHRISBA777ER : Got to say I agree.
49 CHRISBA777ER : Yes but as things stand, if hypothetically speaking BA order the 747Adv, it will be the only major operator of the 747adv - im not saying it will end
50 Shenzhen : Taking into account the limited number operators for both the 747ADV and the A380, coupled with the lack of suitable airports for the A380, with the
51 CHRISBA777ER : Shenzhen, So you are saying that the 747ADV can use all existing 747-worthy airport infrastucture right from launch?
52 Shenzhen : Yep... most if not all.
53 Post contains images Jacobin777 : because though the 747ADV is a derivative of the 747, for the most part, in terms of an operational standpoint, it will not be a big difference....Th
54 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Mate, i do get them wrong from time to time as i dont have the benefit of a Boeing Crystal Ball - and if they do order the 747ADV i'll come on here a
55 Cloudyapple : Probably not. The current CodeE/JW infrastructure for B744/A346 allows 65m wingspan max. Anything bigger will be CodeF/JX up to 80m wingspan ie shari
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Which Will NW Order The 190, 195, Or Both? posted Sat Oct 7 2006 00:31:55 by Af773atmsp
Where Will NWA Use The 787? posted Sat Aug 5 2006 13:53:13 by DTW757
If Delta Does NOT Order The 787-3... posted Fri Aug 4 2006 18:06:44 by 1337Delta764
Will VS Order The 748I? posted Tue Aug 1 2006 20:09:30 by NYC777