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Mystery Plane Found At Briscoe Field, GA  
User currently offlineYanqui67 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2005, 508 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11984 times:

A stolen airplane mysteriously showed up at Briscoe Field in Lawrenceville this past weekend, but no one knows where it came from or how it got there.

Investigators know someone piloted the plane, owned by St. Augustine, Fla.-based Pinnacle Aviation from there to Gwinnett County, but they say they have no idea as to who.

Police say the 1995 Cessna Citation arrived at Briscoe Field sometime between 9 p.m. Saturday and 6:30 a.m. Sunday.

The airplane’s owners say they will be in Georgia to pick up the plane on Tuesday. Police say they are investigating all the leads at their disposal.
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=70342

The aircraft reg is N182PA. I just saw the report on the local news channel.
Gus Anaya

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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11961 times:

how do you steal a multimillion dollar jet and nobody realizes???


Mike



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11932 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 1):
how do you steal a multimillion dollar jet and nobody realizes???

..in the dead of night, when there's nobody around. The airport is unattended from midnight to 6:00 am....

Gee, I wonder if somebody was transporting drugs...?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11861 times:
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Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
Quoting AR1300 (Reply 1):
how do you steal a multimillion dollar jet and nobody realizes???

..in the dead of night, when there's nobody around. The airport is unattended from midnight to 6:00 am....

Gee, I wonder if somebody was transporting drugs...? Yeah sure

Well, if that's indeed what they were up to, they sure did it in style ...

What's next, a BBJ?

- litz


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11842 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):

I think that just proves how easy it is for a terrorist to steal a Jet. They could easily go their, steal a few a/c and go wherever they want.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11747 times:

What is the to prevent a terrorist cell from buying a aircraft from the desert packing it full of explosives and taking out an entire city?? Is the some kind of regulation before you can purchase a aircraft??? I mean a 747 full of explosives would be quite deadly.
Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11622 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
in the dead of night, when there's nobody around. The airport is unattended from midnight to 6:00 am....

Isn't there Security at Airfields.
Wonder if the Thief checked if there was fuel on board  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12785 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11597 times:
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Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 5):
What is the to prevent a terrorist cell from buying a aircraft from the desert packing it full of explosives and taking out an entire city?? Is the some kind of regulation before you can purchase a aircraft??? I mean a 747 full of explosives would be quite deadly.

This can be prevented by simply banning all flights. No, wait....  no 

There isn't much that can be done to prevent many potential terrorist acts. Try not to lose too much sleep over it though.



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User currently offlineRAMPRAT980 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 600 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11504 times:

our skies are not safe.


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User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11465 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 5):
What is the to prevent a terrorist cell from buying a aircraft from the desert packing it full of explosives and taking out an entire city?? Is the some kind of regulation before you can purchase a aircraft??? I mean a 747 full of explosives would be quite deadly.

Other than someone going out to buy a 747 as an individual would throw up so many flags and the seller would probably report it as suspicious, no.

You can do a heck of alot of damage with a rider truck and detonate it full of explosives. Its easier to "sneak into" an area than a jet, and doesn't require training to fly it.

Everyone keeps focusing on planes. I'm sure terrorists are looking at other options since they are being watched much more than before.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4706 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11393 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
Isn't there Security at Airfields.

Gwinnett County/ Briscoe Field (LZU) is my home airport, where i do my recreational flying. They do not have airline service so the level of security isnt as high, but there is full fencing there. Its not super easy, but it can be done. The place where security really was the issue was At Augustine (SGJ). This definately shows just how vulnerable General and Corporate Aviation is.



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User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11338 times:

Quoting Yanqui67 (Thread starter):
Investigators know someone piloted the plane,

Interesting investigative conclusion. Maybe too preliminary?  laughing 

MB


User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11256 times:

If someone bought a plane out of the desert, the people flying it and those under the departure path would be the only ones in danger...TC


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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11166 times:

Quoting AA717driver (Reply 12):
If someone bought a plane out of the desert, the people flying it and those under the departure path would be the only ones in danger...TC

But what about the people in the city that a terrorist is planning to attack?

IMHO, if they filed a flight plan to HNL or somewhere, an aircraft could be overhead LA before anyone knew there was a problem and F-16's were scrambled.


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6839 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11113 times:

For interest

http://www.pinnacleairservices.com/aircraft.htm



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11005 times:

Geez...

The thief was probably a professional pilot.

1) He knew how to fly a jet-engined plane.
2) He probably flew a VFR with transponder on - otherwise if the transponder was not on then the military jets would have been scrambled to intercept him.
3) He flew out of airport closed at night into another airport closed at night.
4) Like somebody mentioned - he was probably involved in some drug trafficking.

That's it.

Terrorists probably would not use the planes for their next attack as a result of a 9/11. The next attack will not use planes. More than likely, it will involve either chemical, biological or nuclear weapon detonated in a major metropolitan area.



Now get your f***ing Jumbo Jet off my airport!!! - AC/DC "Ain't No Fun To Be a Millionaire"
User currently offlineGritzngravee From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10522 times:

It's not hard to steal large equipment like a private plane, the A train here in NYC was stolen twice by the same teenager. not only did he steal the train he had an ID badge to enter the train yard and the quipment to drive the train. They later figured out he was being mentored by another train operator. The only reason they caught him, his speed was to high entering a turn coming into the 3rd to last stop on the A line. For those of you who have never been on the A train, it starts in Washington Heights Inwood Ave. and 178th St I believe(section of Manhattan) and stops in Far Rockaway, for those of you familiar with JFK. Look at the distance between those two points of Wash heights and Far Rock. Safety measures can only prevent up to a certain point.

And no one thought they'd go after the WTC again right (1993 and finally 9/11/2001)?!!!??!!!! Planes will aways be an option. That's one of the stretegies the terrorists seem to excel in, we did it before they think we won't do it again, so let's do it again. These people aren't brilliant or else they would be doing something a lot more challenging rather than easily blowing unexpected innocent people to pieces.

They seem to have the logic of our top idiot I mean President.


User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 10328 times:

Quoting Goaliemn (Reply 9):
What is the to prevent a terrorist cell

What is to prevent a terrorist cell from doing just about anything?

Don't think that way or you will end up being a very paranoid person.

-IR


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 10325 times:

Remember earlier this year when some drunken young men stole a 1 engined Cessna a/c during the night in CT and flew around for a few hours and landed safely at Westchester County Airport? I believe the lead drunk used to work at the airport where they stole the a/c from and apparently knew how to fly a little. He is facing serious charges on the State and Federal level. The airport he landed at is only 20 miles or so from mid-town Manhattan.
The problem as to stolen aircraft isn't so by much organized terrorists, but rather nut cases, those with a grudge or drunks, like the kid (and apparent ex-a.netter!) in Tampa a few years back who flew into a building and killed himself. Still, there are still concerns that terrorists could steal a small crop duster a/c and dispirse hazardous chemicals over some areas or pack a small g/a full of explosives and fly into a target.


User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 10131 times:

Quoting Gritzngravee (Reply 16):
Planes will aways be an option.

Yes, but only large ones capable of carrying a load of fuel would be most effective in an attack capable of bringing down a building.

To cause such damage, it would be far easier for a terrorist to rent a truck and pack it full of explosives or something worse. Any idiot can go rent a U-haul truck up to 26' long with a standard drivers' license. I think the next attack will take this form. General Aviation is not enough. Commercial aviation is much more secure now (at least I hope).



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8971 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 10112 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 15):
2) He probably flew a VFR with transponder on - otherwise if the transponder was not on then the military jets would have been scrambled to intercept him.



Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 15):
3) He flew out of airport closed at night into another airport closed at night.

How did ATC not see them approaching/taking-off from the "wrong" airport?

Quoting Goaliemn (Reply 9):

You can do a heck of alot of damage with a rider truck and detonate it full of explosives. Its easier to "sneak into" an area than a jet, and doesn't require training to fly it.

I wonder how you are gonna go about flying the truck with or without training  Wink

Cheers



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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 10093 times:

Just get over it..... this is in some ways not that much different from a stolen car. Like someone said, a rental truck packed full of explosives detonating in the middle of Manhattan can easily cause more damage than any rogue plane, and it really isn't that obvious when you have a Budget truck in the middle of midtown -- there are tonnes of them and nobody will pay attention. Who will know? Then what, you stop all trucks from entering Manhattan? There's really only so much you can do. In fact, I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner. There are so many second hand trucks on sale it's not even funny. I guess the hard part is getting enough explosives.

User currently offlineGritzngravee From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 10038 times:

Truck with explosives, eg. Timothy McVeigh. I wonder if the military are going to do post psychiatric examinations of those who return from Iraq. McVeigh served in Desert Storm 1991 and displayed his disdainment for the US a couple of years later, he wasn't a part of an Islamic terror cell!!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks ago) and read 9905 times:
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An update on the investigation .... the plane was discovered yesterday afternoon ... it had been properly parked and secured after landing. The airport manager noticed it on a walkabout and didn't recognize it.

The interior has been searched and sniffed (by dogs) and no drugs or drug residue was found.

The FAA is searching through ATC records to see if there's a transponder record of the flight ... apparently there was no flight plan filed (surprise).

IMHO, the FAA data's just gonna tell us time it took off, route, and time it landed ... presumably they did have the transponder turned on; otherwise, if the ATC and military sources didn't go nuts, something's seriously wrong w/the post 9-11 policies and procedures.

- litz


User currently offlineHslightnin From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9497 times:

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 21):
How did ATC not see them approaching/taking-off from the "wrong" airport?

why should they be looking? it was just a flight from A to B.
The plane wasnt reported stolen

Quoting Litz (Reply 23):
ATC and military sources didn't go nuts, something's seriously wrong w/the post 9-11 policies and procedures.

since when do you need a transpoder to fly? Theres NOTHING wrong with the policies and procedures dealing with this incedent.


25 PPVRA : Shouldn't someone be looking to make sure planes stick to their flight plans? I mean we are not dealing with an ultralight here--this guy could have
26 JBirdAV8r : Sure there is, with the ground security at SGJ. Otherwise, no. Perfectly legal to fly VFR at night (obviously under FL180) with no flight plan...
27 Legacytravel : I wont and I dont. I just was curious about this subject for a long time/ Mark in MKE
28 Post contains images XFSUgimpLB41X : Well.. LZU is within the 30 mile Mode C veil of ATL.... so you do need a xponder to fly into there.
29 Robsawatsky : It seems several posters severely overestimate the controls placed on General Aviation flights. Yes, in areas busy with commercial aviation, an aircra
30 Post contains links OPNLguy : An updated story... http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/11/D8D5UA0O1.html
31 Omoo : Media outlets here are suggesting that the pilot knew that the airport's tower would be closed at certain hours and the wing is slightly dinged.
32 TwinCommander : at HIO we lack proper security and i have delt with 2 different times where someone unauthorized was on airport/fbo property and had to have the poli
33 Yanqui67 : Today I went to LZU and took some pictures of N182PA. I was a real dumba$$ because before I was there I went to the Atlanta Thrashers practice to see
34 Post contains links Tornado82 : Sounds very similar to this from the King Air 40th anniversary site, about a drug-runner pilot. http://www.raytheonaircraft.com/beec...craft/king_air
35 PPVRA : But why would they need to ship drugs with an aircraft from St. Augustine to of all places Atlanta? Too risky and it's just a ~10 hour drive. Cheers
36 777WT : I thought it was nearly impossible to seal it good. Hell I've seen police dogs find drugs inside a 18 wheeler diesel fuel tank, another would be insi
37 PIA777 : This is very scary especially post 911. Homeland security is not working. PIA777
38 Tornado82 : Calm down folks... I said "may just mean," I wasn't being a definitive expert on this.
39 TedTAce : PKB WARNING: I guess this is further evidence that even the best cameras require thought.
40 Goaliemn : You will never completely secure everything. Its just the way it is. You can't impliment airline-type security at all airports. Remember, there are m
41 ATCT : The day they regulate General Aviation Flying is the day I pack my bags, move to alaska, buy a super cub and say screw the world. The skies are no saf
42 HAWK21M : Amazing. Out here thats just not Thinkable. regds MEL
43 Post contains images Theunclesam : YES! Finally someone with some sense around here! Welcome to my respected users list! And do please let me know if you need a partner in on that Cub
44 PPVRA : Agree 100%. But a Cessna Citation is a bit different in my view. Big, heavy and potentially VERY dangerous. Not to mention drug smuggling being one m
45 Post contains links Beefstew25 : Looks like they found the culprit: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051012/ap_on_re_us/stolen_airplane_4
46 Wjcandee : Hmmmmm..... Lemme guess. It was a guy giving his college friends a ride back from school. And of course the friends couldn't keep their mouths shut.
47 FriendlySkies : I wonder if he's related to the idiot who put small explosives inside one of our dorms at Tech...happened on the same day. Of course that was a studen
48 Beefstew25 : Sounds about right. Raise the gear and drop the soap. He is about to be someone's biatch!!!!
49 OPNLguy : Wonder if he's an A.netter..... He can kiss his commercial license goodbye...[Edited 2005-10-12 23:41:43]
50 Post contains images Theunclesam : Someone has been listening to Bush too much. All regulation does is ensure those of us who abide by the law, have a more difficult time doing what we
51 Post contains images Electech6299 : Good thing we don't elect the media to office! But then, sometimes I wonder who is more credible... I think it's a draw, and take what either side sa
52 Post contains images PPVRA : My point precisely. Haven't given the Suburbans much thought, but that's my drift Cheers
53 Post contains links and images Srbmod : View Large View MediumPhoto © Andrew Wolcott
54 Post contains images OPNLguy : I guess someone needs to edit his profile to show his new address as the Federal Correction Center in Atlanta....
55 Post contains images Theunclesam : He was being sarcastic there. I'm pretty much saying the same thing, Electech6299. The rules that are in place have been working great for years. As
56 Post contains links Psa53 : Here is an another follow-up update to this story: 10/12 http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines[Edited 2005-10-13 0
57 DALMD88 : I really think this guy's plan was 'borrow' the plane, fly to Atlanta. Impress his friends by taking them for a little hop and then take the plane bac
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