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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2317 times:
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Frontier Announces First Ever Denver-Dayton Non-stops and Becomes Fresno's First Low-Fare Carrier

What's up with this headline??? Allegiant is a LLC... Do they not count?

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Thread starter):
What's up with this headline??? Allegiant is a LLC... Do they not count?

An LLC is a Limited Liability Company. An LCC is a Low Cost Carrier. I think F9 means to say they are the first major LCC into FAT



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2211 times:
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Yeah...LLC...LCC...I get them mixed up all the time.

User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

I heard a rumor that Fresno wanted to change their airport code to FYI because pax thought that when agents were labelling their luggage, they were calling them "FAT". Anybody else hear about this?

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

nah, HP has served FAT pretty well for a while now, albeit on CRJs, but the frequency makes up for the smaller aircraft.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 3):
Fresno wanted to change their airport code to FYI [snip] Anybody else hear about this?

Yes. The FYI stands for Fresno Yosemite International.

It takes more than just "wanting" to get your airport code changed if it is an existing issue. Only one I can think of was JFK.



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

It actually takes alot for an airport IATA and ICAO to be changed, many things, mainly because so much documentation has to be updated.

User currently offlineJC5280 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 530 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

Fresno Yosemite International is the airport name now, but the code will remain as FAT. Much like Denver International Airport is DIA, but will remain DEN. Did they have the option to change it when it moved from Stapleton? Or is the process much more complicated than that.

Back on topic though, I am curious how F9 is doing there. I watched their plane land and only a few folks deplaned.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Quoting JC5280 (Reply 7):
Fresno Yosemite International is the airport name now, but the code will remain as FAT. Much like Denver International Airport is DIA, but will remain DEN. Did they have the option to change it when it moved from Stapleton? Or is the process much more complicated than that.

It's always been DEN, ever since I think when it was first given an identifier out at the old Denver Municipal Airport (What Stapleton started life as). When the airport moved and was renamed DIA, the DEN code moved with it, mainly because it's just easier to modify (approaches, departures, runways, coordinates) an existing code than create a new one.


User currently offlineCentralCA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

According to this article, the Fresno City Council voted on Aug. 20 to change the airport code from FAT to FYI.

http://www.fresnocog.org/outlook5/fatfyi.htm


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2017 times:
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Have any of our fellow airline employee friends know of any new service being initiated to FAT? I think this market could really use some new service even if it's with RJ's or even with something like the E70 etc.

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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Maybe if F9 Jet Express gets ahold of some extra CRJ-700 (QX) they can fly to FAT  Smile


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User currently onlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5848 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Quoting CentralCA (Reply 9):
According to this article, the Fresno City Council voted on Aug. 20 to change the airport code from FAT to FYI.

That article was from 1996. Given all of the process to change the code of an existing airport, the city was basically told by the federal government that just a name change to Fresno Yosemite International wasn't a compelling enough reason to also change the FAT identifier.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 10):
Have any of our fellow airline employee friends know of any new service being initiated to FAT? I think this market could really use some new service even if it's with RJ's or even with something like the E70 etc.



Quoting MD90fan (Reply 11):
Maybe if F9 Jet Express gets ahold of some extra CRJ-700 (QX) they can fly to FAT

The F9 service has been operating about 6 weeks now. We should be able to find out in the next week or so how the first month went. Hopefully it will be successful enough over the next year to warrant more flights or larger equipment.

Of course Mexicana is scheduled to start next year. Construction is starting on the FIS.



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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
That article was from 1996. Given all of the process to change the code of an existing airport, the city was basically told by the federal government that just a name change to Fresno Yosemite International wasn't a compelling enough reason to also change the FAT identifier.

The Feds have nothing to do with it. ICAO assigns 3-letter designators, and to change one costs a mid-six digit figure. You have to do alot of reprogramming, issue new navigation publications pertinent to the change, and so forth.

If Stapleton remained today, then DIA would actually be DIA. Fresno will always be FAT. Somebody had mentioned JFK being changed. I don't know why it was, but I can assume the change proposal had such significant political backing that regulatory agencies were willing to allocate the financial resources to do it.


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