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Pilot License In The US - How And How Much?  
User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3148 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8027 times:

Hi.
I know the question is not exactly enough to state the best but I have not more onfos on that.
A friend wants to do his private pilot license in the US (California/Florida). He has never flown a plane himself so will start as a "naked" beginner. He at first wants to fly private but with a later extension as airline pilot.
So how much will he have to pay or how long would this take him. Any suggestions or links in the www.
Thanks for all your replies.
Georg.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8014 times:

There is an A.net member who owns a flight school, though it is not in California or Florida. Bahadir Acuner, User Name Bahadir, owns Acuwings in Seattle, WA and flies out of RNT. I am sure he would offer your friend a great deal


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7984 times:

Greetings,
As a member of GA your friend coud expect to fork over $4-6,000 for his Private training because of the high price of fuel. However if he is of age and takes an accelerated program, then he could only have to fork over $3000. I wish your friend the best of luck and I hope he starts his flight training.

From BDL,  wave 
DeltaGuy767



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User currently offlineArchie From Mexico, joined Aug 2000, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7968 times:

Hi,

I did my PPL at American Flying Adventures in Florida.
Very good school, very well maintained aircraft and very friendly atmosphere.

Their web site is http://www.amfly.com

I`ll be back there this month for IFR.

Regards,
Archie


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7637 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7961 times:

If your friend is a German citizen and wants to fly in Germany (Europe) make sure you contact the LBA (Luftfahrtbundesamt) before he commits. It can get very complicated because if you're friend gets his FAA license, he cannot fly a German registered aircraft. You need a JAA certified license in order to do that. I do believe that there are schools in the US and Canada that offer you a JAA license, but they do cost more.

I speak of my own experience, when I moved to Germany and wanted to get my Canadian PPL into a German, I couldn't do it. I was working on my CPL at the time and that cannot be switched over either unless you have a certain amount of commercial flying (IIRC it was 1000 hrs at the time). The best thing was that they wouldn't even switch my Canadian Radio License into a German one because I had to take their course, write their test to prove that I could speak English .....  Confused  scratchchin 

Like I said, contact the LBA before hand, because if you do have to switch everything into a JAA certified license, then it may be more expensive in the long run then doing it in Germany from the beginning.



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User currently offlineFlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7952 times:

also there is something else you should not forget:

You have to have a certain visa in order to take flight lessons in the USA. There are two different ones, one which just allows you to take training, the other which also allows you to work in the field of aviation.

My www recomendation is www.aopa.org Here you can find all the legal information. It takes a while to find it. I don't remember where i found it, but you can also just email someone there. They are very friendly and will answer you immediatly.

Cheers,
Thilo



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3148 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7928 times:

Thanks for all your comments so far. I think that'll really help.

Georg.


User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 375 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7831 times:

The TSA and INS just changed a few laws for International flight school students, he will be asked to submit fingerprints to the TSA and they might ask him to get an F1 student visa that wasn't required before, this is all new, it just changed very recently.

He should visit the TSA webpage



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User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9385 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7796 times:

As for how long it takes, it really depends on how hard he works and how much time he devotes. I earned my private pilots license in just 46 days (from first instruction flight as I was a "naked flyer" to check ride). I had to fly pretty much every day and took ground school at the same time and devoted a lot of time to it. Most people take quite a bit longer, but if you are persistent then you can get it done in less than three months rather that the more usual time of up to a year or two.

Costs really depend on where you are going and the type of instuction you are getting. The $4-6000 is definitely on the low side. Mine cost well over $10,000, but that is because I did it at BFI at an expensive flying club. You should tell him to be prepared to spend a lot of money and time.



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User currently offlineMit From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

Does he definitely want a PRIVATE pilots license? Would a sport pilot license do? (See www.sportpilot.org) He could have that in 1/2 the time and cost. There are two schools near where I live in St. Louis where he could get a sport pilot license for $2-3K in 2-3 weeks.

User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1758 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

N1120A,
wow, I didn't know people were aware of us. Unfortunately, TSA rule as of October 2004 killed any prospects of us training foreign candidates. There is this unspoken, unwritten rule of Part 61 schools not being given M-1 visa issuing authority.

The only way we can help Jorge1812's friend if he decides to go to a community college in the area.

Jorge1812, if your friend is thinking about college degree in addition to the flight training, then we can work with him/her. We are in cooperation with Green River Community College (http://www.greenriver.edu)

Cheers..



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7637 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Quoting Mit (Reply 9):
Does he definitely want a PRIVATE pilots license? Would a sport pilot license do? (See www.sportpilot.org) He could have that in 1/2 the time and cost. There are two schools near where I live in St. Louis where he could get a sport pilot license for $2-3K in 2-3 weeks.

Does anyone know if they have an equivalent to one of these in Europe? I believe we have one in Canada called the Recreational Pilots license and has lots of restrictions on it and is useless in Europe.



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3148 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7667 times:

Thanks again for all your helpful replies. I will forward them to my friend.

Georg.


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7567 times:

Tell your friend that if he plans to enter the pilot jobmarket in Europe, he won't even be looked upon unless he has a JAA licence. No airline in Europe will accept an FAA licence unless maybe if they need an experienced pilot with experience on a specific aircraft.

Actually, many airlines East of Europe (Asia, Pacific) are starting to require a JAA licence for their expatriate hire too, instead of a FAA.
It is apparently a licence that has a higher recognition amongst the airlines out of the US.
Many schools in Europe and US do provide conversion training, but it has a cost...

And let's not even talk about the painfully long and arduous procedure to get an aviation student visa and TSA clearance those days.



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