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Soviet Longhaul Routes Through Shannon In 80s&90s  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Back in the 1980s & 1990s, Aeroflot had an agreement with the Irish government which allowed soviet aviation fuel to be stored at SNN, to allow refueling of Aeroflot aircraft on western bound long haul flights, required due to range limits with aircraft such as the IL62. There were direct Aeroflot flights from SNN to places such as Lima, Mexico city, Chicago, Miami and Havana. The refueling at SNN eventually ended a few years ago with the aqusition by SU of longer range types like the 763, 772 and IL96.

I am particularly interested in this topic but finding information on it is difficult. Does anybody have any more information or stories to share on the soviet connections with SNN ? Or perhaps some interesting articles?

Regards,

EI321

[Edited 2005-10-12 00:27:37]

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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):

They had a sizable hub operation at Havana, too, circa 1985. I remember drawing out their route map from an International OAG as a kid.


User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Not exactly the answer to your question, but I thought I could illustrate the thread with a few photos..

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There are altogether 32 Ilyushins @ SNN in the db

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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3015 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Yes, Aeroflot did fly through Shannon on western bound flights. I clearly remember taking a flight from SFO to SVO and our stop was in Shannon. As for the aircraft..I'm unable to comment, since it was many years ago, and I simply don't remember. But the stop over I remember clearly, since I got a Irish flute in the Duty Free shop.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineOneSkyJet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 85 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2424 times:

SU used to have a great nonstop service from IAD to SNN in the IL62. They had very reasonable fares which made it convenient and cheap to go play golf in Western Ireland over a long weekend.

Really enjoyed riding in the IL-62. Exceptionally smooth landings every time. I'll miss the distinctive whine of those engines. Won't miss the very stinky toilets, though.


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 3):
I clearly remember taking a flight from SFO to SVO and our stop was in Shannon.


SU never operated their SFO service through SNN. The SFO routes went through Anchorage and later Seattle.



John@SFO
User currently offlineJetset From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Aeroflot also had a fairly large operation at Gander and also had their own
fuel as well . Back in the late 80's early 90's Aeroflot had approx 35 flights
per week via Gander . Most were on the IL86 and a few with the IL62 .
The flight numbers I remember were 301/302 333/334 345/346 345B/346B
347/348 347B/348B 315/316 317/318 and a sked cargo run with the IL76
to JFK called 983/984 . All the IL86 westbound flights came from Shannon
and crew changed at Gander with the exception of SU315 to New York .
Gander was a very common place for people looking to defect to the west
and as many as 60 people from one flight would seek asylum in Gander , and
try and start a new life . People from countries all around the world would
jump ship at Gander with nothing in their possession but the clothes on their
backs . Thru the years Aeroflot was a big boost to the local economy of Gander and to this day are greatly missed .
RGDS/JETSET


User currently offlineJetset From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

Just remembered also via Gander was IL86 SU319/320 LED-JFK
RGDS/JETSET


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13210 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

When I flew JFK-SNN-JFK (on a DC-8 Transamerica Airlines charter seat) in June 1985, I noticed Aeroflot a/c at other gates at SNN. As deep into the 'Cold War' era, I found it shocking and commented that why the Ireland did business with 'those commies', especially as Communiumism was so against Christianity. Their response was that it was just business, provided jobs, income. These were flights that were comming from/to Havana, various places in Central America. On my return flight, I noticed passangers from those Aeroflot flights walking around the gate areas. I asked about them and was told that they did very little shopping in the duty free areas as had little money.

User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

AEROFLOT use to fly to MIA via Shannon as well in the 80's and 90's


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

The majority of the Aeroflot SNN flights ended around 1998.

User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
As deep into the 'Cold War' era, I found it shocking and commented that why the Ireland did business with 'those commies', especially as Communiumism was so against Christianity.

Interesting viewpoint. Would the similar be said today about airlines coming from countries that "sponsored" terrorism?


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
When I flew JFK-SNN-JFK (on a DC-8 Transamerica Airlines charter seat) in June 1985, I noticed Aeroflot a/c at other gates at SNN. As deep into the 'Cold War' era, I found it shocking and commented that why the Ireland did business with 'those commies', especially as Communiumism was so against Christianity. Their response was that it was just business, provided jobs, income. These were flights that were comming from/to Havana, various places in Central America. On my return flight, I noticed passangers from those Aeroflot flights walking around the gate areas. I asked about them and was told that they did very little shopping in the duty free areas as had little money.

Thats an interesting point. Many people have a similar opinion on USAF/ARMY planes refueling at SNN en route to/from Iraq. SNN also makes a lot of its income from these flights. There have been several attacks by protestors on USAF planes in SNN.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...nr=2&prev_id=906224&next_id=878950


User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

check the following site:

http://historical-debates.oireachtas...ie/S/0150/S.0150.199704150005.html

About Aeroflot, wikipedia mentions the use of Shannon, which was the most western non-NATO airport, used by Aeroflot from the 70s.

in the 90s, Aeroflot was also flying to Santiago, Chile.

E.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7327 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

SNN was an empty white elephant airport, with excellent facilities. The cost of serving Aeroflot was basically zero, and since Aeroflot had little western currency at the time, the airline paid for its landing charges in Aviation Fuel given by the Russian Government.

The airport used this cheap fuel to then attract other carriers to stop-over in shannon.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 8):
commented that why the Ireland did business with 'those commies'

Ireland has always been a neutral country.



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