Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6828 times:
18ft 10in is the exterior fuselage width of the B787, not the cabin width.
The A350 will have an interior cabin width slightly greater than that of the A330 (by means of thinner insulation). It will still have a narrower cabin than the B787, but only by several inches, not 18 inches as the OP suggests.
KhenleyDIA From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6475 times:
Notice though, that they don't bother to point out that they are referring to the A330. General public would assume (I bet) that they mean the B787 since that is what they keep hearing it is designed to compete with.
Why sit at home and do nothing when you can travel the world.
Gman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6436 times:
Quoting KhenleyDIA (Reply 5): Notice though, that they don't bother to point out that they are referring to the A330. General public would assume (I bet) that they mean the B787 since that is what they keep hearing it is designed to compete with.
The general public don't give a toss, most don't even know or care what type of aircraft they are getting on. Only the folk on here pick apart and dissect every word that Airbus or Boeing
Geo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6404 times:
Many companies use this kind of wording. Quite often with cars they will talk about best in class dynamics or economy even when the product doesn't shine at either claim. The class might be 5 seat cars between 3.4 and 3.45 meters long. The vehicle might be the only one to meet the class criteria.
Airbus could also be comparing the A350 with the 767 and their claims are just as valid as comparing it with the A330.
Fortunately most people involved in buying an aircraft will make the purchase with a little more information than the general public will ever know about the aircraft.
Flown on A300B4/600,A319/20/21,A332/3,A343,B727,B732/3/4/5/6/7/8,B741/2/4,B752/3,B762/3,B772/3,DC10,L1011-200,VC10,MD80,
Francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6358 times:
cabin width really only makes a difference if you compare it with the abreast seating configuration.
The A380 is wider than the 747, but will have 3-5-3 seating on the lower deck, and for the guy seating in the center row, let me tell you, he'll be REAL glad he is flying an aircraft that is wider than the 747...
The aircraft width don't mean sh#t to the passenger, they just care about how wide their seat is, and where it is located.
I guess it will all depend on how operators make use of the width of the A350 and 787. If they have the same abreast seating config, then I guess the 787 might boast wider seats/aisles.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
Cloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6147 times:
It would be possible given the ambiguous cabin width for some airlines like emirates (if they choose the 787) to do a 3-3-3 just like the have done a 10 abreast on the 777. There are cabin widths that prohibit 9 abreast straight away but the 787 can be a generous 8 or a slightly tight squeeze 9 abreast. Some have done 3-3-3 on 330 so the extra 8 inches on the 787 over the 330 makes this a realistic prospect.
Phollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5917 times:
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 15): Wrong. I don't have the respective exterior dimensions, but the 787 will have a cabin 8in wider than the A330 (and thus 5in wider than the A350).
Boeing also claims that the cabin will feel even wider. This is because while the A350 and B787 are only 3-5in different at their widest point the Boeing is actually significantly wider at the shoulder and eye-ball level. I seem to remember something on the order of 15-17in. My biggest complain with the A330/340 is how quickly the sidewalls curve inward. They do this to such a degree that by eye-ball level they are narrower than the seats. This is definitely not a problem with the 767 or 777.
The Airbus narrowbodies also have this problem, though not to the same degree, that and they are significantly wider the the 737s at their widest point.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5745 times:
Quoting A342 (Reply 9): The 787 fuselage is 10cm(4in) wider than the A330ï¿½s one, no idea about the additional cabin width.
Airbus claims a 7.6cm(3in) wider cabin for the A350 compared to the A330.
You see, the difference will hardly be noticeable.
The B787's composite fuselage allows for about 4 inches of additional cabin width for a given fuselage diameter. So, the B787's cabin width advantage over the A350 should be about the same (5 inches) as the A320's cabin width advantage over the B737. Noticable, but not dramatic.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31096 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5646 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 20): The B787's composite fuselage allows for about 4 inches of additional cabin width for a given fuselage diameter. So, the B787's cabin width advantage over the A350 should be about the same (5 inches) as the A320's cabin width advantage over the B737. Noticable, but not dramatic.
Well if it means one-inch(plus) wider seats, like the Airbus narrowbody's cabin offers over the 737, it may be both.
I for one am powerfully thankful for that extra inch when I am on a UA Airbus vs. a UA 737.
Ruscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1576 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5620 times:
Airbus are claiming 208 inches for the internal diameter of 350.
Boeing are claiming 214" internal diameter for 787.
However, Airbus max diam is at floor level, while 787 max diam is actually at shoulder level.
Thus at shoulder level the 787 will have an even greatyer advantage.
I have not seen the figures but I have been told that the Airbus diam at floor level is greater than the 787.
Since we don't sit on the floor, I would expect the 787 to be noticeably more comfortable for the passengers. The 787 at 9 abreast will have seats which are 1/2" wider at the cushion level. It will have more "headroom" also.
(If any of you nare concerned about inward sloping walls, take a look at the 380 upper level).
: Hi, it is the same game we heard for month now.mine is wider than yours... or longer,faster,cheaper,etc... i think if it would be 5inch (12,7cm) more
: I believe the seats on UA's A320s are 1/2 an inch wider than those on UA's B737s and the aisle is also wider. 1/2 an inch might not sound like much,
: Hmm, may you meant until the 777, which was the first circular cross section from Boeing. The 787 is non circular, and as a result the walls curve at
: bingo. but the reason isn't exactly as stated next... not quite It's the floor position within the shape, not the ovoid vs. circle. To increase cargo
: This is floorspace that gets wasted in economy configuration but in premium classes it is useful as sleeping space. Smart airlines will make the main
: Hope 'general public' doesn't include the media coz they can never get anything right about airplanes.
: That's not what Airbus said in their press conference at the A350 launch.
: I simply cannot understand the logic why Airbus is saying the difference will hardly be noticeable, but they're boosting a 4-inch wider interior foot
: It is probably no different to the 747 upper deck.
: UA's stated seat-width (and my own measurements) show their A320 and A319 equipment having 18" wide seats (same as their 767/777) in Y with an aisle
: If the difference is hardly noticeable, then why do all you Airbus fans constantly talk about how much wider the A320 vs. 737NG? Kettle is that you?
: I thought the A380 will have a vastly superior upper deck compared to the 747, in terms of width and side curve.