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Alaska's/Horizon's Next Move?  
User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4686 times:
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Hello, everyone!

Anyone care to forecast what Alaska's/Horizon's next new city might be in the near future? Does Horizon intend on obtaining more aircraft in the near future?

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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4645 times:

I'm still waiting for the Modesto start-up.

I'm not going to speculate on anything. I would like to see Anchorage have similar nonstops that SEA has (i.e. BOS, EWR, DFW), but since Alaska code shares with virtually everyone, I don't think that will happen. Does anybody know why they discontinued ANC-Bay Area service?

[Edited 2005-10-12 17:05:10]

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4632 times:

I personally would love to see SFO-GEG.

It would also be cool to have them resume services to the Russian Far East but that is unlikely.


User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4624 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
It would also be cool to have them resume services to the Russian Far East but that is unlikely.

Yes, it would. The 1x weekly Mavial Magadan flight is subsidized by the local or regional Magadanian government, so it makes it pretty hard to compete with.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4618 times:

Loisencroah: What planes to we have that can to ANC-BOS/EWR? The 73G can not make that trip with a sizable load. Don't look for to many more cities from ANC for now. As you can see when AS reduced is schedule to help ontime performance, they were the first routes to go. Next ANC route will probably be the restart of seasonal ANC-SFO. Modesto is in heavy consideration for QX right now. Though, QX is very very tight on planes right now. QX is having issues with mods to the Q400 engine's and some other issues I have got from and inside sourse.

BigGSFO: We think it would work w/ a CR7, but QX doesn't have the planes to do this. That markets doesn't call for anything bigger then that, hence the fact EAEX doesn't even serve SFO-GEG.

Alaska will be starapped for a plane till next year so I wouln't look for much, if anything. Once the 6 or 10, can't remember,738's are online next year, maybe something. Any order from QX will be for Q400.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4579 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 4):
What planes to we have that can to ANC-BOS/EWR? The 73G can not make that trip with a sizable load.

True. Forgive me, I have a bad cold/sinus infection. I'm living in fantasyland right now.


User currently offlineMFEFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4562 times:

SEA-MFE-SEA
or
SEA-DFW-MFE-DFW-SEA  Wink


Sure would be nice!



Valley Approach.....
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

Quoting MFEFlyer (Reply 6):
SEA-MFE-SEA

Maybe in a Q400...and via BOI-SLC-ABQ-SAT. That'll be a long day!  biggrin 

However SEA-AUS seems it could work given the tech market between the two cities.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

BigGSFO: I can't say that SEA-AUS is out of the realm. Possible a new MD80 service. But just like any other place, just no damn planes!

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11631 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 8):
I can't say that SEA-AUS is out of the realm. Possible a new MD80 service. But just like any other place, just no damn planes!

I'd definitely say it's "out of the realm." Both are phenomenal cities (I live in Austin) but I must say, there is nowhere near enough traffic in this market to justify a nonstop flight. Alaska is much better off by just routing all SEA-AUS (and, for that matter, Pacific Northwest-AUS) traffic over DFW on AA.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Very true, but its on the list of cities being looked at. I know that!

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

I think AS would do well in Texas... so how about IAH/SAT/AUS..along with their DFW service....???

IAH- Tech Companies / Hospitals / Oil Companies
SAT- Military
AUS- Government/ Tech / Schools

Would be great feed from the state of Alaska..... Many who live in Alaska have ties to Texas...



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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

BOS-PDX should be added 1X daily along with a 3rd SEA r/t.

User currently offlineUALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

as739x:

how is as doing lax-mex and lax-loreto? When new planes start coming in, might we see more Lat Am service? Would love to see LAX-Oaxaca!

UALAX


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

UALAX: LAX-MEX is doing so, so, but its the low season. Actually tommorows flight is book pretty well. About 85% full. Loreto I honestly could answer. I just have not followed it. Message EA CO AS, he should have more info then I do. I will be able to tell you in a few weeks how LAX is doing after I am tranfered there. I have hear Oaxaca is being looked into, but nothing new in the lat 9 months.

I hope to see more Latin America. Some of us are a little fishy on the amount of agents being hired at LAX. Maybe something is up are sleeve, I just don't know.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineQxflyingcoug From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

I know this is a long shot, but at EAT we currently only have 4 flights a day coming from SEA on QX and they are usually full if not over booked. The other day my mom came in and said they had over booked the flight by 10 seats! They're only 35 seats on the plane how could they do that? I would like to see QX either start a flight from GEG or PDX to EAT or maybe it's time that EAT-SEA could support the Q400. The Wenatchee Valley is growing pretty rapidly and I for one would rather fly to SEA or GEG now that the price of gas makes it about the same as paying the $150 airfare.


--GO COUGS--
User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 1):
I'm still waiting for the Modesto start-up.

There is a meeting next Wednesday up in Seattle between the City of Modesto and Horizon.

Y'all keep you're fingers crossed.

Right now, there's a 45/65 chance of it happening...not the best odds mind you; but nothing that cannot be overcome...Just means we have to work a little bit harder.



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User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Hmmm, maybe they will start service to ISP!!


Joe


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13599 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4172 times:
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Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
Loreto I honestly could answer. I just have not followed it.

The LTO bookings have been fairly strong considering it's a new destination that isn't as popular yet as other established ones, not to mention that this time of year is historically the low season.

The fares however are still VERY low to LTO - far less expensive than SJD or other Mexican Riviera resorts.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 14):
Some of us are a little fishy on the amount of agents being hired at LAX. Maybe something is up are sleeve, I just don't know.

Odd. Then again, LAX has always been a revolving-door from a staffing perspective. Very few senior agents there.



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 18):
Very few senior agents there.

Morale problems?


User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

Does AS run any special charters from Kodiak to Seatte, bypassing Anchorage? Western Airlines used to have scheduled runs between ADQ and SEA back in the '70's.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 16):
there's a 45/65 chance of it happening

Isn't that a 110%???  confused 



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13599 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4115 times:
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Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 19):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 18):
Very few senior agents there.

Morale problems?

No, just that the LAX station is a demanding one and costs of living there are much higher than most stations in the AS system. Consequently, it's hard to attract and retain people.



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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

If Horizon doesn't take Modesto - Los Angeles, maybe Scenic will start N. Las Vegas. Modesto was awarded an SCASD grant this year, weren't they? If so, did it specify LAX service?

[Edited 2005-10-12 22:46:16]

User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 20):
Western Airlines used to have scheduled runs between ADQ and SEA back in the '70's.

Wien Air Alaska used to fly this in the 80's...... flight was oversold every day



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25 HPRamper : Aren't there some markets in Washington and Oregon states that could support new Horizon service? I hear Horizon used to serve Astoria, could that suc
26 Loisencroach : I didn't research to see what airfield capabilities these communities have, but in terms of population, Grays Harbor county and Lewis County each hav
27 Darrell : What about the possibility of Horizon flying into Hillsboro (HIO)? The Hillsboro airport is large enough to handle it and Hillsboro is the center of O
28 Post contains images DCrawley : Good ol' oil! I would have serious doubts about this one. Centralia isn't a very well-off area (I can tell you this because I own a 30-unit mobile ho
29 Stirling : Ooops, Sorry! I was thinking about something else that was "45", and typing at the same time.... It should be; 35/65....
30 MDW22L31C : How about more Mainline out of PDX. The RJ are getting old
31 Leneld : Don't every ask about Alaska and PDX....Your going to get slaughtered with criticism......
32 RobertS975 : LTO service is subsidized by Fonatur, the development agency that has overall charge of developing the resort area.
33 Trvlr : As Alaska is facing an aircraft shortage, I would not expect to see anything earth-shattering beyond incremental additions and increased Horizon flyin
34 Post contains images EA CO AS : With all due respect, the only people who get criticized for bringing up PDX are those who whine, "When will PDX get more nonstop flights from AS?" a
35 Post contains images Ouboy79 : Would like to see them in OKC...for more than the weekly paint job or mx check up at AAR.
36 ASFlyer : Our flights to LTO are guaranteed by the Loreto Bay resort so we are making money on LTO. It most likely would not be a money maker otherwise, howeve
37 BigGSFO : Other possible flight combos: SEA-YYZ (Why should Western Canada get all the fun?) SEA-STL (Why not? There might be one or two open gates at Lambert)
38 ASFlyer : When? I dont recall that, but I do recall Western flying it.
39 Post contains images EA CO AS : I thought it was Fonatur as a whole - not just the Loreto Bay resort - that was backing our flights financially? True - but ithen again t's not suppo
40 Stirling : Add "Walmart Jr." to that; Costco, as they too are based in the Emerald City.
41 ASFlyer : It could very well be Fonatur that the checks come from, I just know we are hauling people down to the Loreto Bay Resort in particular. Fonatur cover
42 Post contains images EA CO AS : Here, here! My hopes are for additional CUN lift and/or a CZM tag added. Likewise! Glad to see you've become a regular contributor here!
43 ASFlyer : I think a 3 or 4 times a week nonstop from LAX to CZM could be a moneymaker in the winter and then do a tag during the summer. The market for CZM is m
44 EA CO AS : Agreed 100% CZM needs to be Alaska country - it's a market that has no need to fill the plane with low-yield bulk/wholesale fares like we do with CUN
45 JetCity61 : Likewise ASFlyer.... As a regular on the SEA-ANC runs since the early 70's I don't think SEA-Kodiak service ever existed on Wien - perhaps for some s
46 RwSEA : Before a few months ago, I would have thought SEA-MSY would be a great link. Hopefully soon that will be a viable option again. Obviously AS has no ai
47 ASFlyer : I remember Air Cal flying this. Morris Air and Reno Air used to fly SEA-ANC as well, though I don't believe either offered a service as nice as Air Ca
48 JetCity61 : More SEA-ANC: TWA and Delta. AS (with what must be 98% of the market share), CO and UA are the only nonstoppers today I believe. TWA's MD80 service or
49 GentFromAlaska : I understand AS gets a lot of request for BNA. Although its a pain to re-check my luggage I fly this city pair several times each year because WN offe
50 Thepilot : I would say AS should do SEA-PHL SEA-MCO SEA-Cancun (Seasonal) SEA-STL SEA-ATL or PDX-BOS PDX-EWR Either way, AS needs to add more east coast destinat
51 LACA773 : How is AS doing on LAX-DCA? I'd love to see them add even more Mexico destinations from LAX but isn't their gate space in T3 tight as it is? Do they e
52 Lono : I worked these flights... WC4..... ANC-ENA-HOM-ADQ-SEA.... summer 1980.. I can even pull up the AC number in my records... it was one of the new WC A
53 Wedgetail737 : Does AS only occupy the west half of T3? The east half of T3 was occupied by TWA, Frontier, ATA and Midwest. How many gates does AS have at LAX?
54 Post contains images EA CO AS : Could be tricky, considering QQ was Reno Air. QX is Horizon Air. To be honest, I don't know if there have been discussions of larger aircraft than th
55 Wedgetail737 : As AS739X mentioned before in another thread, it's not too likely it would ever happen, but I wouldn't mind seeing more intra-California service with
56 ASFlyer : Alaska already does this.
57 PDXFlyBoy : We are hearing that CRJ900's are in the future for QX in 2006 from line mechanics out of PDX. Has anyone else heard anything regarding the 900's or j
58 Wedgetail737 : Weren't the E-170/E-190 series jets still in development when QX ordered the CRJ-700's? If there is such a demand for QX service, why hasn't QX made t
59 Irishpower : What about SEA-YYZ SEA-MSP SEA-YUL SEA-DTW SEA-ATL SEA-CLT SEA-CVG
60 Skymileman : Just out of curiousity. Many years ago, I flew on Horizon and they were still operating the DO 328 and the Metro (Many years ago, I know). Those are b
61 AS907 : How about ANC-Palmer.. or ANC-Talkeetna? Anyone here commuting? I'm kidding, of course. I think once they get their planes, they'll make the right dec
62 Lono : Just for grins folks.. if you look at AS's route map they are as big as WA was before they got absorbed by DL..... just a thought...
63 Loisencroach : Actually, that's a good question. I was looking at an old issue of an Alaska Airlines inflight magazine at the UAA library, and they had feeder servi
64 AS739X : SEA-YYZ: Been brought up many time, AC has trouble w/ this route. SEA-YUL: Never, specially if YYZ wouldn't work SEA-MSP: NW Codeshare we won't mess w
65 Post contains images AS907 : When I did my cross country to Talkeetna earlier this year, my instructor was telling me about that. I wish I could remember what he said about it, an
66 ASFlyer : Actually AC does well with this route. They expanded it for the spring/summer to twice daily. In the past, I would have had to agree but with the ban
67 PDXFlyBoy : Okay, internally we continuously hear that expansion with the new 800's would be East bound. In speaking to the Inflight Training Department last week
68 EA CO AS : Come to think of it, I'm a bit surprised that LAX-CZM hasn't been applied for already. Granted, we don't have the equipment right this second, but if
69 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Thank you. I don't get it - no offense Leneld, but you harp on the PDX thing so much with the "Why don't we get...?" approach that people are bound t
70 PlanesNTrains : Just a follow up thought. Big Sky Airlines has a feed agreement I believe with AS/QX. It might be that a few of those B1900's of theirs could be based
71 Cessna172RG : While I can't predict or say what will happen... "What about the possibility of Horizon flying into Hillsboro " Hillsboro is an alternate airport for
72 Arrow : I've seen several references to engine mods on the q400. What exactly is happening? Do the mods fix a problem or just improve performance/efficiency?
73 Loisencroach : Who was it? Derry or Buckland? I walk past that simulator every day on my way to the "Jim Derry power hour" 4 nights a week.
74 EA CO AS : It was definitely nice to have that extra lift east from GEG. The only problem was that there wasn't enough Montana traffic originating in GEG to mak
75 LACA773 : Thanks for correcting me, EA CO AS. I've done that before. How are they doing on the LAX-DCA-LAX route? What are their # best performing and highest
76 PlanesNTrains : It makes total sense to run 'em out of SEA - I'm sure it was a very smart move on their part. It just seems that the GEG-MSP corridor lacks any real
77 MD90fan : What are all the QX CR7 routes?
78 Post contains images EA CO AS : So have I, actually! Sometimes my fingers type faster than my brain can work. Historically the route has been decent. Right now it's not great, but n
79 Post contains images Chugach : Here's one that's out there: What about ANC-DFW to tie in with the AA codeshare? Since AA only serves this seasonally, I can't imagine they would get
80 PacificF27 : How about Bellingham-SFO & avoid the Seattle mess? Bellingham- SLC seems like it would work for Delta/Skywest.
81 737-990 : I read last week that Mammoth Lake (MMH) is seeking flight service to LAX. This would be a perfect market for Horizon and the Q400s. A lot of people f
82 AS907 : I fly with Morrison... but I only got my checkride with Buckland to go. Just got to get this PPL then finish this last year of ATC. I wouldn't mind s
83 Cessna172RG : Nonstop to the states...ok... Alaska has on average about 16 one way segments between SEA and ANC...which is quite a lot. Where else did you have in m
84 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Especially the DFW area! Man, I would absolutely LOVE this! I'm on the mileage plan, but can't get anything where I'm at now, stationed at NPA. But,
85 Post contains images Loisencroach : Maybe they could start an operation out of Merrill Field to compete head to head with Vernair and Spernak.    They could build their own terminal ri
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