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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Just read on "El Norte" (MTY newspaper, part of Grupo Reforma):

IBERIA
Deja carrera por Cintra
La erolínea española Iberia se retiró del proceso de desincorporación de Cintra, integrada por las aerolíneas Aeroméxico y Mexicana, informó Andrés Conesa, presidente del Consejo de Administración de Cintra.
De esta mandera siguen en el proceso Olegario Vázquez Raña, de Grupo Ángeles; Germán Larrea, de Grupo México; Isaac Saba, de Xtra; Gastón Azcárraga, de Grupo Posadas, y la europea Air Europa.

It saids that IB has retired on the race for AM or MX, and now Grupo Ángeles, Grupo México, Xtra, Grupo Posadas and Air Europa are the ones bidding for MX and AM, this is getting more and more interesting.

Cheers


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User currently offlineAeroMexico777 From Mexico, joined Oct 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

But just yesterday I heard that IB still was on the race for any airline in CINTRA... Maybe MX...

Regards, AeroMexico777



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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

El Diablo este aqi por la tequila.

Mi amore este Star Jones!

Ole!

La Loisecroacha!


User currently offlineBGOODAM From Mexico, joined Apr 2005, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Quoting N405MX (Thread starter):
It saids that IB has retired on the race for AM or MX, and now Grupo Ángeles, Grupo México, Xtra, Grupo Posadas and Air Europa are the ones bidding for MX and AM, this is getting more and more interesting

Most of these groups have shown interest mainly for Aeromexico, IB was the only one left with focused interest in MX. Indeed it will get interesting. bgood


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

Quoting N405MX (Thread starter):
IBERIA
Deja carrera por Cintra

Not to contradict, but I doubt it. Its clear that Iberia isn't happy with only the 25%, their management said last month, "con solo el 25% teneremos las manos atadas". They want more than the 25% that Mexican law allows foreigners, but they'll take whatever they can. My guess, Iberia gets Mexicana.


User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1972 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
Not to contradict, but I doubt it.

I doubt it also, but let´s see.

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 3):
Most of these groups have shown interest mainly for Aeromexico, IB was the only one left with focused interest in MX.

No estaba muerto andaba de parranda.....
Time no seeing.
Heard grupo posadas interested on MX (mi sister works there  Wink, also just heard from a crew, the bids are 5 for MX 4 for AM.

This will be good



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1956 times:

And right after the 10% given to the pilots union stock value went down!!! I ask myself, how could this happen?? why?? LOL!!


ghost77 APM



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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1951 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 6):
And right after the 10% given to the pilots union stock value went down!!!

I wonder.....
But 10%, heard about a 20%, maybe that´s why.....



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1951 times:

There have been reports about the unions getting between 5 and 10 percent of the stock of each group and there have also been reports that they will get a special class of shares that will entitle them to dividends and all but would subject their voting rights to the achievement of certain financial and operational goals.

I believe too that IB's reason for leaving the bidding process has to do with the foreign investment restriction as they had already mentioned that they were unhappy with the 25% cap and were hoping for the restriction to be removed.

Will be interesting to see who gets each group. As mentioned, 5 consortiums are interested in MX and 4 in AM. In my opinion, whichever consortium has Grupo México on board should get one carrier as they are really interested in exploiting the cargo possibilities.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAeroMexico777 From Mexico, joined Oct 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

And you know... Every day theres a new information about CINTRA... so, you will never be sureo on whats happening... Everytime I hear something new I become more and more confused...

Regards, AeroMexico777



"When the hope of dying becomes the only reason to live..." Die Laughing (Gothic), Safe little world.
User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

IB is, at the moment, more interested in buying Vueling or creating their Low Cost airline ¡Saludos a todos mis amigos mejicanos!  Smile

Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
Not to contradict, but I doubt it.

Confirmed: The Spanish Radio Station "SER" network has said IB is not interested in MX (20:45, Spanish Time)


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

The number of groups interested in AM or MX keep going down. It has also been said in the news that some of the groups are only there to help increase the price by submitting a bid.

By the way, today it was announced that the Aleman family was interested in one of CINTRA carriers, but later decided to invest their money in a new airline. According to Reforma newspaper, the new company of the Aleman family, INTERJET, will start selling tickets on Sunday, October 15 for the following routes: TLC-CUN, TLC-GDL, TLC-MTY AND GDL-MTY. Three A320's should arrive next month to start operations!!

Things are hot in the mexican airlines industry, since more airlines keep starting and AM and MX are still waiting to see what will happen to them in the near future!!


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
I believe too that IB's reason for leaving the bidding process has to do with the foreign investment restriction as they had already mentioned that they were unhappy with the 25% cap and were hoping for the restriction to be removed.

I also think this was one if not the main problem accompanied with the problems they would have to fact at pilots/FA's unions!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 8):
In my opinion, whichever consortium has Grupo México on board should get one carrier as they are really interested in exploiting the cargo possibilities.

Hopefully they start exploiting cargo as they shoud! Easily, mexican carriers could have a decent fleet of at least 10 B744Fs.

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 10):
IB is, at the moment, more interested in buying Vueling or creating their Low Cost airline ¡Saludos a todos mis amigos mejicanos!

IB has been more worried on that issue and trying to acquire Vueling lately, but from what some famous IB pilots and a.net photogs have told me recently is that the Pilots union won't let IB buy Vueling... and they will also block a new LCC start-up unless pilots get what they want at IB and this new LCC.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 11):

Very interesting news! Where did you saw that? So they will start with CUN, GDL and MTY, good news! We will have to keep track on interjet.com.mx, probably soon all the info will get uploaded!

ghost77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineBGOODAM From Mexico, joined Apr 2005, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Quoting N405MX (Reply 5):
No estaba muerto andaba de parranda

Sorry not dead.
[quote=Ghost77,reply=6]And right after the 10% given to the pilots union stock value went down!!! I ask myself, how could this happen?? why?? LOL!![/quote
Why could what happen the 10% or the stock loss?


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1767 times:

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 13):

It's pretty unquestionable and easy understanding why stock value of what we mexicans supposedly own and have maintain and supported during the last 10 years with our taxes went down!!!


ghost77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1771 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 11):
By the way, today it was announced that the Aleman family was interested in one of CINTRA carriers, but later decided to invest their money in a new airline. According to Reforma newspaper, the new company of the Aleman family, INTERJET, will start selling tickets on Sunday, October 15 for the following routes: TLC-CUN, TLC-GDL, TLC-MTY AND GDL-MTY. Three A320's should arrive next month to start operations!!

One already painted, here in MTY they will start operations in december, they already got their counter, it will be next to MX and GMT (Magnicharters).

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 14):
of what we mexicans supposedly own and have maintain and supported during the last 10 years with our taxes went down!!!

He got a point



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 12):
Very interesting news! Where did you saw that? So they will start with CUN, GDL and MTY, good news! We will have to keep track on interjet.com.mx, probably soon all the info will get uploaded!

You got email...


User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 16):
You got email...

May i have one.....  blush 



Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
User currently offlineBGOODAM From Mexico, joined Apr 2005, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 14):
It's pretty unquestionable and easy understanding why stock value of what we mexicans supposedly own and have maintain and supported during the last 10 years with our taxes went down!!!

Maybe we should look elswere as to were our tax money goes or doesnt go instead of always mentioning how with your taxes you support and mantain the airlines and my wage. You obviously got something against federal funded divisions within the government that are part of the country and it's national sovergenty. There are many branches amongs our government that you also support and pay for with your tax money, look at the corruption within those also, im sure your paycheck is not hurting cause of this stock, so don't make a big deal about it and be proud that a union is gaining somethig for employees cause little by little employees around the world will be down to nothing, going backwards instead of forward, but maybe i'm talking to the wrong person.

By the way Ghost whats the lates on the A330/40's at MX?
Bgood.


User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1605 times:

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 18):
Maybe we should look elswere as to were our tax money goes or doesnt go instead of always mentioning how with your taxes you support and mantain the airlines and my wage.

Don´t forget Martita´s trip to Vatican, oh and the pillows for "Los Pinos".

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 18):
By the way Ghost whats the lates on the A330/40's at MX?

It seems that somebody was out of town for a while, on other threads there´s info about it, just to update you, the A330´s are delayed and maybe cancelled, but the A340 still firm for 2007 (but can make it sooner than we expect  Wink )

Cheers



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User currently offlinePecevanne From Mexico, joined Jun 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

Let me go into the future( short term).
Group Angeles is almost catched to AM and the rest(Posadas,Saba,GM Mexico, and Davila)should prepare for an alliance to go for MX.
Something wrong is in the air today. Groups are upset about CINTRA determination to offer shares to the unions.
Offer to ASPA was due to avoid pilots to stay inside the process...but, Offers to flight attendants and ground union is today, a headache to investors. (Rumors said very close to the limit,almost to withdraw from the process )
Next week is crucial.
My point of view... ....CINTRA, Made a false step...very Close to fatal consequences.


User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1557 times:
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How will the new airlines being set up in Mexico effect the domestic market? Do you believe the new carriers will bring affordable air travel to more Mexicans or will they siphon business from AeroMexico, Mexicana and Aviacsa? If they siphon more than they expand the market wouldn't it have a negative impact on the value of AeroMexico and Mexicana? How much does the domestic market account for their sales? With no information to back this up I would assume both carriers get a significant amount of their revenues on flights between Mexico and the United States. Should some of the new carriers enter this market I can see where the values of the carriers maybe negatively impacted thus effecting the sale prices of AeroMexico and Mexicana. Not to change the subject any more news on GOL Mexico? When do they plan to begin service, equipment(I would assume 737NG's) and where will they be based?

User currently offlineNAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Georgiabill

Aeromexico is the dominant domestic carrier in Mexico and
Mexicana depends more on the US-Mexico traffic of which
they are the dominant carrier.

It would be interesting to know how this would affect
either of the carriers.

I don't believe the new LCCs that are starting up will have
much impact because they will be operating at another airport which has no connectivity.

All of the International carriers arrive to the Mexico City International Airport and can connect to Aeromexico or Mexicana for their continuning passengers of which I undersand there are a lot.

The new LLCs will probably only get the point to point domestic Mexicana traffic without any connecting passengers.

I wish them all well as competition in good.


User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 22):
The new LLCs will probably only get the point to point domestic Mexicana traffic without any connecting passengers.

Good point navega, and one thing for example, MTY has a lot of connecting passengers (ask 6A), so point to point will benefit some few passengers, depending on the routes.

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 22):
All of the International carriers arrive to the Mexico City International Airport and can connect to Aeromexico or Mexicana for their continuning passengers of which I undersand there are a lot.

On some days, almost an entire MX or AM flight are connecting passengers from LH, IB, AF.

Quoting Pecevanne (Reply 20):
Groups are upset about CINTRA determination to offer shares to the unions.
Offer to ASPA was due to avoid pilots to stay inside the process...but, Offers to flight attendants and ground union is today

Flight attendants already signed their contract, ASPA is on strike call for their contract revision, next will be the ground union (SNTAS), this is for MX, not so sure about AM.

Cheers



Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 22):
Mexicana depends more on the US-Mexico traffic of which
they are the dominant carrier.

Well, MX used to be, but not anymore. Now AA and CO, in that order, have a larger share of the U.S.-Mexico market.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
25 Pecevanne : Check numbers Eddie....by Airline I think MX still number one. But tomorrow I will have final results. If I can get those today I will write. saludos
26 Post contains images Pecevanne : I have the numbers source MIDT TO SEPT 05) MX-19.06% CO-16.30% AA-15.48% AM-9.91% DL- 7.31% Does not include ALASKA, AMERICA WEST, US AIRWAYS And OTHE
27 EddieDude : Interesting numbers. Thanks Pecevanne. During 2004, it was a different story, with MX coming in third place. Does your list of carriers include Americ
28 Pecevanne : YES...Includes Numbers of both carriers.
29 Ghost77 : Here some stats, million of pax between MEX-US in 2004: MX 2.698 AA 2.625 CO 1.889 AA+AE 2.732 CO+COex 2.708 MX 2.698 ghost77 APM
30 Rojo : Read this today (I was out of town). Just send me your email address...
31 Anthsaun : Really? Who told you? Why? How come? 2007 is a very long way to go. And what's MX going to do without the A330's? Are they going to keep the B767 lon
32 Ghost77 : AFAIK, the A330s are cx due to the long period of time it took MX to take a final decision. OTOH, A340s are due for 2006. MX has taken the decision t
33 Post contains images N405MX : Making some updates: Maybe sooner..... As the 767 will be expiring, MX will need a new longhauler really soon, well, not needing , MX needs it now. A
34 EddieDude : Ghost, can you share some details of the 752 fleet reconfiguration, including the routes that will be affected? I read in another thread you mentioned
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