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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10949 times:

Below are two articles from the University of Michigans daily student newspaper the Michigan Daily. We have fall break coming up Friday the 14th-Tuesday the 18th many students from out of state go home for the long weekend.

I just found it interesting to see two articles saying don't fly NW
any thoughts?

http://www.michigandaily.com/vnews/d...lay.v/ART/2005/10/12/434ca0bf5d4ee
Viewpoint: Don’t fly Northwest Airlines


By Andres Ramos
October 12, 2005



For the past seven weeks, Northwest Airlines has been doing its level best to break the spirit of its mechanics, as well as the mechanics union. The airline’s demands of pay cuts between 25 and 50 percent have forced the Northwest mechanics to strike for the past seven weeks, shifting their willing and skilled hands from the tools of their trade to, in defense of their livelihood, picket signs. This reprehensible action by Northwest Airlines is not only unjust, but also a threat to the safety of the students who must fly this fall.

Northwest is striving for a nonunion business model similar to JetBlue, and in order to achieve this goal, it is demanding the layoff of more than half its maintenance workforce — leaving almost 5,000 maintenance workers no choice but to go on strike. Northwest Airlines is trying to slash labor costs in an attempt to increase profits, all at the expense of the dedicated maintenance workers and their families. The strikers are fighting a massive pay cut, layoffs for more than half the unit’s workforce, reduced sick pay, reduced vacation and holidays, increased health care costs, pension freezes and increased outsourcing to nonunion shops. The union has even agreed to a 16-percent pay cut, which management refuses to accept. Who has ever heard of workers going on strike for a pay cut?

Although Northwest cancelled 25 percent of its flights on the first day of the strike, the Airline Mechanics Fraternal Association, which represents the mechanics, has a long journey ahead. Northwest Airlines spent more than $100 million on preparations for the strike, 16 months ahead of time, even though it is demanding $176 million from the union. This crisis has clearly been manufactured in an attempt to break the union. Due to the post-Sept. 11 state of the airline industry, all airline unions alike have suffered from cuts in wages, benefits, pensions, etc. Northwest, in particular, has outsourced most of its maintenance crew — it brought in about 1,400 scabs to complete maintenance work immediately after the strike began.

The replacement of dedicated and well-trained maintenance workers is not only unethical but dangerous. Northwest has hired replacement workers — scabs — who do not all have airline mechanic certifications. Unlike airline mechanics, these new scabs are not required to take tests for drug and alcohol use and — because they have only rudimentary training — are not even legally permitted to certify their own maintenance work. Does this seem like a problem to you? Would you board a plane knowing that the men in control of your safety may not even be qualified? I wouldn’t. Additionally, in the wake of Northwest’s dangerous decision, there have been reported incidents where Northwest flights have made emergency landings due to mechanical problems. The use of nonunion, uncertified labor for airline maintenance has drastically reduced passenger safety.

Many University students must rely on commercial airlines to go home for the holidays and for special occasions. Many of us are frequent flyers, and we want to be safe. In light of our concerns for passenger safety and the struggle of the workers at Northwest Airlines, the Michigan Student Assembly’s Peace and Justice Commission urges students not to fly Northwest Airlines.



Ramos is an LSA sophomore and member of the Peace and Justice Commission of the Michigan Student Assembly. His opinion reflects the official position of the commission.


http://www.michigandaily.com/vnews/d...5/10/11/434b4ce1a2370?in_archive=1
From the Daily: Rolling dice at 35,000 feet



Students should avoid Northwest AirlinesStudents should avoid Northwest AirlinesRolling dice at 35,000 feet
October 11, 2005



Flyers have few choices when it comes to leaving Detroit. For most travelers, Northwest Airlines provides the most convenient flights, and often the only direct flights, to final destinations. Unfortunately, as students approach fall break — a fou- day window to visit home or other schools — Northwest is grappling with a labor dispute. In light of this strike, students should avoid Northwest this weekend — not merely out of respect for the mechanics’ union, but also because flying the airline may truly be unsafe.

The airline’s mechanics, represented by the American Mechanics Fraternal Association, have been striking since late August, protesting cost-cutting measures that would dramatically downsize the airline’s team of mechanics and slash pay for those who remain. Since then, Northwest has been flying with the help of replacement mechanics — scabs hired for the sole purpose of surviving the strike and breaking the AMFA.

The current Northwest strike is the first major labor incident to affect the industry since Northwest’s pilot strike during the late 1990s. That strike, which grounded Northwest, was enlightening for the company’s executives; this time, the airline spent $100 million dollars and more than a year preparing for a mechanics strike. More than 1,000 scab mechanics were hired — at wages significantly below what Northwest mechanics were earning — to step up in the event of a strike. Thus, when the AMFA local went on strike almost seven weeks ago, Northwest took the stoppage in stride — it vowed to maintain Federal Aviation Administration safety standards while keeping scheduled flights in the air and on time.

Yet, despite what Northwest claims, the airline’s performance has been suffering. The FAA found that Northwest was the second tardiest airline last month — after a small, regional charter carrier. More importantly, the airline’s safety record is slipping. The Minneapolis-St. Paul Star Tribune reported on FAA reports that detailed glaring deficiencies in Northwest’s maintenance procedures. In one alleged incident, a Northwest DC-9 was cleared by mechanics and prepared to depart Minneapolis for Memphis when the copilot noticed a dead bird in one of the aircraft’s engines. At New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport, an FAA inspector documented mechanics — and Northwest supervisors — incorrectly inspect and repair an engine blade. The paper, which received over 100 FAA reports, could not contact the airline for comment.

While labor analysts have declared the AMFA strike an abject failure — Northwest has continued to fly, while simultaneously slashing almost 2,500 mechanics’ jobs — the airline has only managed to do so by cutting critical corners. While it has managed to trim labor costs, it has also decided to gamble with passengers’ safety. As they head home for fall break, students should avoid the airline wherever possible. While other airlines may be less convenient, students must answer a personal question: How much is a flight in a safe, well-maintained aircraft worth?

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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3295 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10869 times:

Gee, the campus newspaper in a liberal breeding ground like Ann Arbor takes a pro-union/anti-big biz stand? Shocking. Ann Arbor is much farther to the left than the rest of Michigan, its not hard to find a good deal of support for socialist causes on the UM campus. M go blow!

When I was young, idealistic, and had my parents to fall back on for support, I was the same way. Then I graduated, had to pay my own bills, and saw how much was left after bills and taxes were paid. Things change when you enter the real world.


User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10838 times:

WHY IS EVERYONE MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT REPLACEMENT WORKERS AND THE SAFTEY OF THE AIRCRAFT? Most of these people have been trained extensively and a lot of them had jobs as mechanics before the general downturn after 9/11. I just don't understand how this is anything more than an uninformed public opinion.

-IR


User currently offlineCMHSRQ From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10824 times:

Students don't care who they fly. Like the vast majority of people they want the cheapest ticket. If its on NW they will buy it.


The voice of moderation
User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10799 times:

blaa blaa blaa

If NWA offers the lowest fares, the kids will fly NWA.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineSupa7e7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10760 times:

I wonder if these students are personally accountable for libel and fraud?

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10712 times:

It is grossly irresponsible for these young skulls full of liberal Wolverine mush to make wild assertions about the airline's safety just because they denounced the old-school Michigan organized labor way of doing things.

You may not agree with what NW did, but what these little morons are doing is worse because they're pontificating from a position of ignorance.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/Slider6294/SigResponses/Ohio_State.jpg


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10571 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 4):
If NWA offers the lowest fares, the kids will fly NWA.

Including in all liklihood, I dare say, the ideologues who claim to "agree fully" with the point of view in the articles referenced. Who knows; maybe even the writers themselves will be "duped" into flying with NWA by low fares.

Nothing can compare with the mind-altering, memory-purging narcotic of cheap, non-profit airfares in effecting an "about face" in public opinion!


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10554 times:

Greatest license plate ever, and its even better that its on a Mini Cooper, proving they're morons for buying one of those.

Quoting Supa7e7 (Reply 5):
I wonder if these students are personally accountable for libel and fraud?

NW should sue, honestly, but then it would jsut cost the university/taxpayers, and not the student individually. What's more alarming is that the disclaimer on the first article says that it the OFFICIAL view of the commission. Ain't that nice, a whoe group of idiots, not just one.

Quoting Slider (Reply 6):
It is grossly irresponsible for these young skulls full of liberal Wolverine mush to make wild assertions about the airline's safety just because they denounced the old-school Michigan organized labor way of doing things.

You may not agree with what NW did, but what these little morons are doing is worse because they're pontificating from a position of ignorance.

If its anything like my school though, the people with power in student senate, the newspaper, etc. were looked down upon as idiots... so their position will mean little to the masses. However, the false propaganda about safety will mean quite more to them.


User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10507 times:

Tornado, it is the official view of the UM Peace & Justice Commission, whatever that is, and not the University itself.

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10505 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 7):
Nothing can compare with the mind-altering, memory-purging narcotic of cheap, non-profit airfares in effecting an "about face" in public opinion!

Amen, brother. Truer words were never spoken.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10435 times:

Quoting N801NW (Reply 9):
Tornado, it is the official view of the UM Peace & Justice Commission, whatever that is, and not the University itself.

Still more likely than not being funded by the university. Universities are scared to death to not fund (with student activities fees) those more controversial "commissions" and groups... while leaving behind the groups with an academic purpose. Academic groups won't sue behind the clowns known as ACLU as quickly.


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10360 times:

Quoting NWA757boy (Thread starter):
Northwest Airlines is trying to slash labor costs in an attempt to increase profits, all at the expense of the dedicated maintenance workers and their families.

Absolutely brilliant, what are we teaching in our schools and universities. It should read - "in an attempt to increase NEGATIVE profits".

Also, Pilots are quite responsible and safety concious people. If it was a danger to fly Northwest aeroplanes, do you think they would be.

Andres and his buddy will shortly be leaving University and entering the real world. We all know where we can find them, and our first words to them will be "Can I have a big mac, large fries and a chocolate shake"


User currently offlineAirWest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10344 times:

I like how people who hate the university were quick to add their comments, such as "M Go Blow." You can't throw the whole U in just because two people wrote in the Michigan Daily that NW wasn't safe.

User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10315 times:

While I am not much of a fan of the Michigan Daily, I do not see anything libelous in either of those two articles. Are there incorrect statements of fact in the articles of which I am not aware? Or were you just so shocked to see a liberal view expressed in the media that libel is the first thing that came to mind?

I would love to buy a $200 round-trip ticket from DTW to LAX to visit a friend out there, but I am not interested in flying on an airline that uses scab mechanics and so I will not purchase such a ticket. While my beliefs and actions may conflict with some hard-line or even moderate conservative views held by others, I certainly have the right to purchase or not purchase airline tickets from any company for any reason.

For that matter, the Michigan Daily and all other newspapers have the right to print whatever opinion columns they want about any airline they want, as long as the material is not libelous, which this material does not seem to be.

-DrDeke



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10276 times:

Quoting DrDeke (Reply 14):
as long as the material is not libelous, which this material does not seem to be.



Quoting NWA757boy (Thread starter):
but also because flying the airline may truly be unsafe.



Quoting NWA757boy (Thread starter):
AirlinesStudents should avoid Northwest AirlinesRolling dice at 35,000 feet

Until proven otherwise by the FAA, or God forbid an accident... the facts remain that NW is just as safe as any airline... and possibly actually safer than others now because of the increased scrutiny they are under for the strike, bankruptcy, etc. Therefore, terms such as "Rolling the dice" and "may truly be unsafe" is pretty much a lie meant at defaming NW, which is pretty much libelous.


User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10276 times:

I don't take anything coming from professional students seriously. As long as they think it is always someone else's responsibility to pay for and haven't yet contributed to the tax base they will get my attention equivalent to their contribution.

User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10233 times:

Quoting AirWest (Reply 13):
I like how people who hate the university were quick to add their comments, such as "M Go Blow." You can't throw the whole U in just because two people wrote in the Michigan Daily that NW wasn't safe.

I agree. At SDSU we have "The Daily Aztec" and the opinions are so stupid and ignorant most of the time that I have on occassion doubted my choice of school. But I realized I like my school but hate the paper. I think pretty much every student newspaper opinion section sucks. Students that write opinion columns don't have well formed opinions and are just loudmouths (most of the time) and those that do (have well formed opinions) have the sense to express them in something other than a pathetic rag that anyone can write for. I look at a student opinion section as being just a platform for students to find something to complain about...nothing more.

-IR


User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10213 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 15):
Therefore, terms such as "Rolling the dice" and "may truly be unsafe" is pretty much a lie meant at defaming NW, which is pretty much libelous.

It seems to me that using brand-new mechanics with less training and certification than the previous mechanics to maintain an aircraft fleet is something that indeed "may" be unsafe. Note that the article does not say that it "is" unsafe, just that it "may" be. The dead bird incident and the incorrect-fanblade-replacement incident are two things that seem to me to point to the _possibility_ that NWA's maintenance "may" not be up to its previous standard.

I agree that there are many arguments that could be made for the view that it is as safe as ever to fly on NWA. But there are also arguments that can be made against that view, that are most certanly not "lies".

-DrDeke



If you don't want it known, don't say it on a phone.
User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

I'm still flying NW no matter what because I am a loyal customer of theirs. I am for unions and feel horrible flying while there is a strike but if there are people willing to do the strikers job at a lower cost then so be it and this has been discussed at full length in other threads so im not going to get into it.

I think the Michigan Daily is full of crap most of the time anyway. Most of the students here wont care what airline they fly home just the cheapest as mentioned above...but the cheapest will most likely be NW since their hub is only 20min from campus at DTW

I know Ann Arbor is a very liberal city in Michigan and this is to be expected in a newspaper from their


User currently offlineDouglasDC8 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10075 times:

I hope all of you aren't trusting the FAA to keep Northwest safe! In my 23 years of aviation, many of them in safety sensitive positions, My work was very rarely been inspected by FAA people. There never have been enough inspectors and there never will be. That's part of the reason that the FAA has the nickname of "The Tombstone Agency." In other words, they don't have the control over the airlines, the resources, or the will to keep the airlines under their control. And many times and accident will force them into taking action to correct safety issues. If Northwest is safe, it's because of their inhouse procedures and inspections.

User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10052 times:

The students will use whatever airline their parents buy tickets on. What cracks me up is if any of them use a codeshare with Continental, and they end up flying NW by mistake.

User currently offlineSkyHigh777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9985 times:

I attend the University of Maryland-College Park. I can say that some of the stories that I read in our daily newspaper ( the "Diamondback", which was actually ranked by Princeton Review as a top 20 school newspaper) are pretty opinionated. Moreover, most of the students at my university are also liberals. However, articles like this one from Michigan are over-the-top even for our newspaper. It is extraordinarly filled with biased views from the editor and reflect a complete and utterly ignorant viewpoint. I can understand posting an opinion about what someone thinks is right or wrong, but to back it up with exaggerated information to scare off the public is absolutely absurd. How would these mechanics that these students are fighting for even going to get a job back if people are spreading a "boycott NWA" mentality? It's is precisely thinking like that which will lead to ultimate bankruptcy and permanent job loss if the company goes under. Not to mention, a company like Jetblue which is a "no labor union" company is even more profitable than the old-fashioned airlines that allow labor unions (such as NWA). I understand that people have different political views, but to air something so subjective in a school newspaper is frankly a bunch of crap. Imagine if I were reading that while eating lunch, I would have vomited everywhere...

By the way, one of the articles also mentions how a NWA pilot of a DC-9 was cleared for takeoff but aborted it because he noticed that there was a dead bird on the engine....seeing as how airplanes have no "rearview mirrors", how would the pilot notice it? Would he have to physically stick his head out the window before take off and deliberately check for it? I have not seen that done too often. I am not saying it may not be true, but I would definately appreciate some clarification on that part.

[Edited 2005-10-12 23:05:37]

[Edited 2005-10-12 23:11:29]


Prepare for take-off.
User currently offlineSkyHigh777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9910 times:

My mistake, I misread and thought the DC-9 was cleared for take off not for departure by the mechanics....that clears things up!


Prepare for take-off.
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9880 times:

D L X: Michigan Law Student
Northwest Silver Elite.

Yeah, I'm going to fly another airline. Really.

It's upsetting, you know, that the undergrads here really are some of the smartest young men and women in the country. Yet, sometimes they don't say the smartest things. But, don't take too much away from them - it takes time to develop the ability to truly see both sides of every coin.



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25 Tango-Bravo : My theory as well, based on my reasoned assumption that the pilots want to stay alive as much as I do. Nor do pilots want in any way to risk an incid
26 Hjulicher : I think that this is overblown. I AM a UNIVERSITY of Michigan student. My ROOMATE is a the biggest reporter for the daily, and from my conversations/a
27 Jetjack74 : Yes, and that's why, just a few weeks ago, NW admitted that a sizable number of these "highly qualified" mechanics needed to be retrained due to a la
28 Post contains images Fjnovak1 : I feel the need to chime in with my comments...as someone who will always see SE Michigan as home, a U of M alum (class of 2003), and a NW Silver Elit
29 SATX : I think taking corporate stewardship seriously and basing your purchasing decisions upon it is actually a good thing. Far too many Americans ignore t
30 Squid : This is nothing more than a buch of leftly liberal union-monger crapolla. Get over it people, NWA won the fight. NWA needs to rid themselves of their
31 Tango-Bravo : Based on the "premise, exactly" that principle, ideals and ideology have a strange way of being thrown out the proverbial window where a few dollars
32 Wjcandee : Gee, Dr. Deke, I'm pleased to see you point out that the "journalism" students who work at the paper HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING in class! What they have
33 Tornado82 : The factually true ones. That they have unsafe planes is an unfounded piece of propaganda... and is libelous in nature. And let me repeat... school n
34 NWA757boy : Fjnovak and hjulicher welcome to my Respected use list i get a little smile when i see that other people from U of M are a.netters and just like you g
35 Wjcandee : I know this was a typo by a student who was typing fast, and shouldn't reflect poorly on him or the school, but this unintended typo is JUST TOO GOOD
36 Mia : WOW. You guys get a fall break?! I wish FSU got one of those. Maybe someone should write an article for the FSVIEW/Florida Flambeau about how crappy D
37 Boeing7E7 : Because they don't get it.
38 NWA757boy : just a question...if i sent these articles to NW do you think they would take any action or just blow it off because they have too much other things t
39 Post contains images DrDeke : Wjcandee: I was not attempting to comment on the quality of the journalism in the Michigan Daily, or of that in these particular articles ("If you can
40 DrDeke : I think they would take no action because nothing in the articles is legally actionable. -DrDeke
41 CXA330300 : If NW wants to cut costs, they ought to cut the execs pay, bonuses and perks first before they fire average workers.
42 Nwafflyer : Remember -- this is Michigan -- the home of the union. Look at Flint, and all it's wonderful GM business now. Look at the transplants, who are not in
43 FSPilot747 : I read that this morning (I'm a U of M student, too). In the end of the day, though, like already stated, we're gonna fly whatever we can afford.
44 Wjcandee : I agree completely. If they were smart, however, they'd have one of their PR staffers write an article under the byline of a senior executive, and su
45 Post contains images Aviatortj : I've always heard it is safer to go by rail than to fly the red-tail.
46 NASCARAirforce : Congrats to the UM writers. My old Alma Mater before going to Embry Riddle. Thank God Air Tran has direct flights to DTW from MCO now, because thats w
47 AirRyan : NWA management/salaried personnel just got wind of their cuts this morning and while they aren't nearly as significant as what they are asking their u
48 3201 : Like the rest of the Michigan Student Assembly (MSA), AKA Morons Seeking Attention, likely funded 100% by student fees, which, when I was there, you
49 Post contains images TOLtommy : I agree. I try to buy local whenever possible. But I expect the local company to be competetive with the global players. Do they have to beat Wally-w
50 MQrampBOS : A little extreme issuing a blanket statement like that on all unions. Why punish the IAM and PFAA for AMFA's actions? Besides, everyone's trying to b
51 Post contains images N908AW : Because the FAA is finding things they don't find at other airlines...? Definitely a start. Too bad Amtrak doesn't fly to MSP.
52 NWA757boy : When I flew NW at the end of august after the AMFA started striking, our a/c, 752, was having mechanical issues with the de-icing system and lavs...t
53 Ckfred : First of all, I'm a U of M graduate. I'm curious as to when U of M adopted a fall semester break. When I was in school in the early 80s, the only coll
54 Dl757md : Explain to me how a pilot would know that his safety was compromised. A pilot is not qualified to determine if his plane is fixed properly in many if
55 Wjcandee : Aaaaaah, the original ML. (Sniff!) Loved them. I never understood why ATA, which was basically their successor at MDW, handling many of the same rout
56 Rampart : What, exactly, is the crime in publishing a liberal opinion rant in a student newspaper? Surely it can't be any worse than pro-corporate conservatism,
57 Whataboutme : I have to agree with you. I feel for the most part the students' parents would most likely be the one purchasing the tickets. This past Sunday in the
58 SKA380 : It takes a 5 year education to become a certified aircraft mechanic, and that's just the education not counting the years of experience and not count
59 SATX : It looks more like a blind desire for irony to me. If claiming NW aircraft are less safe than other airlines is propaganda, then by extrapolation we
60 Tockeyhockey : thanks for hitting the nail on the head on this one. as i was reading the thread-starting post for this thread, i was predicting exactly what the fir
61 Post contains images SATX : 100%
62 TPASXM787 : haha...anyone who hates U of M is ok in my book To the article, as a recent USF grad, I saw the same crap in "the Oracle." It's just like anything el
63 Jgold47 : Born and Raised in Ann Arbor, and not truer words were spoken!! Ann Arbor is great untill you have to live there!! And I take particular umbrage with
64 Goaliemn : I hope you're remembering the Dec cuts of 12.5% when you say "aren't nearly as significant" as what they want from the unions. THey all took 12.5% wh
65 Kahala777 : In many peoples eyes, if an airline is willing to throw their employees away for a few bucks, they may be willing to do the same with aircraft upkeep
66 Goaliemn : I'd rather fly an airplane maintained by "happy mechanics" who are glad to be there and working, than grumpy, upset mechanics that feel underpaid/und
67 Isitsafenow : The fun begins when(if) U of M heads off to a bowl game. Last year they charted two NW 747's and a couple of Diesal 10's to LAX and the rose bowl. Let
68 DrDeke : Zero, naturally. Why would anyone expect a student newspaper to influence anything involving corporate money? -DrDeke
69 Alphascan : There won't be a lot of bowl traffic this year from the UM. The way their season is going they will be lucky to get an invite to the Motor City Bowl.
70 SparkingWave : Students at U of M have a right to their opinion. I'm truly amazed that many of us here are more interested in belittling what they say and who they a
71 IRelayer : How so? -IR
72 Planespotting : It certainly sounds like a lot of airliners.net folks don't have much respect for First Amendment Rights and Free Expression. Why is it that so many
73 D L X : How is the first amendment implicated here? These are most likely not state actors. The First Amendment only prevents the government from stopping peo
74 Planespotting : The First Amendment comes into play when any effort to prohibit speech is exercised. If in fact NWA tried to make a claim that the U of M newspaper l
75 LMP737 : The AMT's at America West are represented by the IBT. With the merger with US Air it's unclear whether the combined work group will be represented by
76 Post contains images D L X : I'm enrolled in First Amendment in law school right now. You might be right, although it looks really weird. I'll revisit this after we discuss the p
77 Planespotting : Yes it does seem weird, but if you think about it logically (as we all know thats what law school is all about!) it should make sense. Think about it
78 AirRyan : They haven't yet but are soon about to - whether they like it or not.
79 Ckfred : Rampart: You are exactly right about colleges. U of M is definitely not as liberal as it appears. Simply put, the conservatives are too busy studying
80 Goaliemn : Dec 1 is when the paycuts kick in. If they don't like it, people have the option to leave and find another job. Something union people don't understa
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