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Monarch Air 757 Engine Fire

FlyingZacko From Germany, joined May 2005, 583 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Hi everyone,

I just read on the german website www.web.de, that supposedly an A343 from Monarch Air had an engine fire right after take off from Malaga en route to MAN. I thought Monarch Air didn't even have any A340's. And in the article they talk about one of the TWO engines catching fire. Does anyone know anything about this or is it just crap like I'm thinking?

Cheers,
Sebastian

[Edited 2005-10-12 20:15:58]

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Planesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 802 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

Quoting FlyingZacko (Thread starter):
Does anyone know anything about this or is it just crap like I'm thinking?

Monarch operate:

A300
A320
A321
A330
B757
B767

Jetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1083 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

The aircraft was Boeing 757-2T7 G-MONC

Mark

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Planesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 802 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 2):
The aircraft was Boeing 757-2T7 G-MONC

Close to an A340........

Any further details?

Jetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1083 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

Don't quote me on this but..

Had an engine explosion after take-off, shut down the engine, and made a safe emergency landing.

First day of operation back at MAN for a while, it replaced G-MOND, which had trouble on route to AGP last week.

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Mark

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David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7168 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

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Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 4):
it replaced G-MOND

I've got G-MONE replacing G-MOND on the 8th? Going off on a tangent, what happened on Monday with the A320s? Came home, saw MON534A "arrived" from LTN on Ceefax but than heard this aircraft (MRJK) operating to ALC instead of PMI?

David

Jetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1083 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Correct G-MONE did replace G-MOND on the inbound from AGP after the decompression, which caused G-MOND to divert to LGW.

But what I meant was that G-MONC and G-MOND are 219Y config, the rest of the fleet is 235Y.

On Sunday ZB572 was operated by G-EOMA
Monday: G-DAJB
Tuesday: G-DAJB
Today: G-MONC

G-MONE is the charter aircraft doing to flight to Rhodes today as MON7782/7783

G-MONC replaced G-DAJB which I think postioned down to LTN, and G-MONC passing it coming the other way.

MON534A - ZB534 is the outbound for the PMI flight. G-MRJK is at LTN now, it swapped with G-MONX

We have G-MONX, G-MPCD and G-OZBK as our A320's now

Mark

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DeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

So it was a 757? What the hell do they say Airbus for? Plus, they put this ridiculous picture of an A346 on the article.
Stupid site.

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Jetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1083 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

LOL! Yeh it was G-MONC a 757-200

Mark

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David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7168 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 7):
So it was a 757? What the hell do they say Airbus for?

That could serve as a response for the incident on the 8th, as well as today's incident!

David

ZB330 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

G-MONC had an engine surge on departure out of AGP (runway 14). Crew decided to shut down the affected engine (due high temp) and return to AGP and landed safely on runway 32. Engine will be changed in AGP.

Well done to the crew.

MarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Sorry, for the non-technical people. What exactly is an engine surge?

BMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 11):
What exactly is an engine surge?

Kind of like an Overload. Causes major problems.

Lee

Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own

Orion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

Wonder if the age of the 757s were a factor? I know Monarchs 757 are pretty long in the tooth some dating back to 1983 and they have seen very, very heavy utilisation on charter flights since their introduction. Over 20 years now of very high cycles.

I know Monarch is renowned for its engineering and maintanance but I cant help thinking these 757s may cause increasing amount of maintanance and technical delays in coming years.

I am sad about this as I fear Monarch may well phase out the 757s altogether in favour of more of the 321, which is the nearest modern alternative capacity wise, even though it cannot operate without payload restirction to some of Monarchs destinations (GIB springs to mind)

The 757 has been a real workhorse for Monarch and is a hard act to follow. the 321 has less capacity and range and isnt nearly as elegant as the 757. Hope they get the 757s sorted and they stay with MON for a few more years.

Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24627 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 13):
Wonder if the age of the 757s were a factor?

Nothing to do with it. The 757s are amongst MONs most reliable aircraft (I believe the 320s may be the least reliable?)

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Orion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Glad to hear it. I love the 757s. I get scared that many of our charter carriers are abandoning them slowly in favour of the 321 which isnt as flexible as the 757 in what it can do.

Monarch have deployed the 757 on transatlantic charters in the early years with the airline and have been a good workhorse for them.

Zb330 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Gkirk,

Don't know how you got that piece of information but it is not true. A320/321 is the most reliable aircraft in our fleet. 757's are getting old but as long as you perform proper maintenance than this is not a problem.

Orion737,

Age of the airframe has nothing to do with this incident. Because the airframe is 20 years old doesn't say the engines are 20 years old. And even if they are there is a maintenance schedule for engines as well. After so many hours/cycles they will be removed and send to RR for mayor overhaul. You will get an engine back with all its hours/cycles rest to zero.

BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting ZB330 (Reply 10):
Engine will be changed in AGP.

Seems that a replacement engine has been despatched from LTN this evening. Does anyone know if Monarch Engineering will carry out the engine replacement at AGP, perhaps dispatching a crew and using the facilities of a local airline such as IB, or will the replacement be handled for ZB by an AGP-based company/airline?

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Jetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1083 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Monarch Engineering have a Summer base out there, next summer an A320 will be based there. But I assume that some Engineers will fly out too.

Mark

Retrofitted Blended Winglets - The Future Is On The Wing

AirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 13):
I know Monarchs 757 are pretty long in the tooth some dating back to 1983 and they have seen very, very heavy utilisation on charter flights since their introduction. Over 20 years now of very high cycles.

I flew on G-MONC to SZG from LGW back in 1988 - my first B752 ride - it was great - they still look in good nick - even now!

BTW accoring to G-INFO it had 70,704 hours on it at 31 December lasy year - does anyone know how many it needs to get to until a major overhaul? Thanks.

AE733

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BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Well the saying that bad luck comes in threes is true for ZB over the past week. First they had the precautionary landing at LGW last Saturday following both engine bleeds/sudden loss in cabin pressure in either their 757 G-MOND or an A321 (depending on which report you believe), then this incident at AGP, and according to an unconfirmed rumor on pprune a ZB aircraft requested firebrigade for a landing at ATH yesterday.

Before anyone starts slagging ZB and their "old" aircraft, remember sh%t happens. ZB has an excellent safety record, and their aircraft are well-maintained . Monarch Engineering also undertakes regular maintenance for other carriers, including well-know scheduled carriers.

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BlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2533 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

There was also a diversion to ATH on a MAN-CFU, October 7th, A320.

Knock on delay was 2 3/4 hours for the Barcelona next morning, which yours truly was delighted to endure in the black hole of Terminal One at MAN.

Shamu

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Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 6392 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

Given the number of hours, some ogf these planes might need to be replaced in the new future, but there is nothing to stop them acquiring newer B757's second hand.

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