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Air Tahiti Nui- With 5 A/c, How Do They Thrive?  
User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4608 times:
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Young airline with 5 A 340's

What are the regular routes and how do you split that among 5 planes?

How do they stay ahead?

Will their fleet soon grow?

Is selling F and J seats as awards to other airlines part of their business structure? how?


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

The only route I know of is PPT-LAX, and I think it continues to CDG (not sure). Basically, if you fly very lucrative routes with a simple fleet and good cost base, it's easy to make money.

User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4525 times:
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Ia Orana all !

Air Tahiti Nui started its route network by opening PPT-LAX with a single Airbus A340-200 F-OITN. Then they started to Fly to Tokyo Narita, Osaka, Auckland, Paris and in July 2005 they started to fly to New York JFK and Sydney.



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User currently offlineFOLOV From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

Here's the link of our weekly schedule.
Pretty busy considering , we only have 5 planes

http://www.flyatn.com/flightsched/fl...o_city=&flight_date=10%2F12%2F2005


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

I thought they were losing money?

Love their aircraft though! They started AKL with a weekly A342 in 2000 now up to 3 weekly A343's, they seem to have good loads!


User currently offlineZizou From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 1535 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Thats what I heard as well. Not everything is rosy as it seems

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

I think it's safe to say virtually all of Air Tahiti Nui's traffic is O&D...

Keeping the planes utilized as much as possible is a good thing. However, all airlines find that from time to time certain routes are not performing as expected.

I am in no way a business person - but I do know that a small airline such as Air Tahiti Nui should be able to fairly quickly make adjustments and find their profitable niche. I wish them luck!!



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

Quoting FOLOV (Reply 3):
Here's the link of our weekly schedule.
Pretty busy considering , we only have 5 planes

http://www.flyatn.com/flightsched/fl...F2005

What a horrible way of presenting your timetable. Can I see 3 or 4 different entries for PPT-LAX? It's a mess and should be made much simpler.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12289 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3911 times:
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Ait Tahiti now operate to SYD. It always nice to see them in AKL with those very colourful aircraft

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3769 times:
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I cant wait to use them.

Perhaps FOLOV can pass word on to the right folks as to how to re-configure that schedule presentation.

With their pretty regular use of the aircraft, how do they figure in things such as regular scheduled maintenence?



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User currently offlineBlondie75 From France, joined Oct 2005, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

This is very good for French Polynesia to have such a growing traffic!

However, I'm not sure TN works with the same "logics" as most other airlines. To me, TN is more an effective tool used by the Polynesian government to develop tourism in the islands. When you look at TN fares, you may realise that their first objective might not be profitability... making thus probably competition versus TN quite difficult !


User currently offlineAlekToronto From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3691 times:

TN is an excellent airline from a service standpoint as I have been on a few of their flights however I believe they are not currently not making money and I remember reading an article in Tahiti that they will not be expected to make some until 2007. They were started and run with State money.
TN was set up to offer a reliable frequent service to Fr. Polynesia without relying on foreign carriers. TN does a good business with the cruise lines carrying all their passengers to PPT.
Cheers
Alek


User currently offlineUsa1984 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

TN did post a small profit in 2003 I think. They have a press release of it somewhere on their website. However the JFK and SYD routes will drag this down...but after these routes stabalize they should post profit again.

User currently offlineFOLOV From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

LOL that s what i was thinking too. So confusing .

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Nearly all of their routes are VERY long haul, commanding high fares that produce high yields.

http://www.airtahitinui-usa.com/services/routemap.asp



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7444 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3386 times:
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Their schedule and routing is tough to figure on the website.

What days are there flights from SYD-PPT and PPT-JFK? Is TN 4 the only one? What days and times to they run?



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User currently offlineAirNZ777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

i wonder if there paint scheme would look good on a 777? or 747?...hay i can dream can't i...

User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2697 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3225 times:

Quoting AirNZ777 (Reply 16):
i wonder if there paint scheme would look good on a 777? or 747?...hay i can dream can't i...

I wonder also. I know the guy who did their colour scheme. I'll ask him for the raw files and make a 777 mockup I think.

Back on topic,

Air Tahiti Nui have a great niche to work with, and that's why they get away with operating such a small fleet.
But they could do with getting a more fuel efficient jets to help maximise their profits in the long term. Their a343s will slowly start eating into their profits as time goes by now.

I suggested the 777 as it's economics are well known, but I'm not sure if ETOPS would get in the way, being unfamiliar with their routes.
So perhaps the A345 could be beneficial. Use that in the same config as the A343's. You won't get the max range out of it, but theoretically the fuel consumption should be less for the same distance travelled. And besides, Airbus would literally throw the A345 at them. LOL



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User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 4):
I thought they were losing money?



Quoting Zizou (Reply 5):
Thats what I heard as well. Not everything is rosy as it seems

They posted marginal net profit in '03,'04 (between 1 an 3M$) and marginal net losses in '01, '02 (around 0,5M$ loss).

Total revenues in '04 (232M$, so net margin is averaging 0,8%).

Load factors are nothing outstanding, 68,8% in 2004, up from 66,8 in '03 (probably high yield).

E.


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