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Who Will Take The Dumped A340-500/600s?  
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 18318 times:

There is a very strong possibility that SQ, AC, CX, and even Emirates will dump thier A340-500 and a340-600s in favor of the 777NG. So, if they do so, who will take those aircraft?

On the top of my head:

Virgin Atlantic and Lufthansa could take the A340-600s. The A340-500s could go to.....

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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18264 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
777NG

Do you mean the 777-200LR?

AC was already looking to order the -200LR I believe but then their pilots got all huffy.
SQ looks like it might but we just have to wait and see.
CX seems fairly conservative. I think this is a wait and see too.
EK could go anyway it wants. They seem hard to predict.

Maybe some airline who wants an aircraft second hand to start some long-haul routes would pick up some old 340-500/600. But your call for VS and LH seem logical.



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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18260 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Virgin Atlantic and Lufthansa could take the A340-600s. The A340-500s could go to....

MX MX MX MX......maybe MX will take them (hope so)



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18242 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 1):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
777NG

Do you mean the 777-200LR?

Well, yes. 777-300ER/-200LR is basicaly the 777NG. Same for the A340-500/600, which is the A340NG


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18229 times:

I doubt CX will be dumping them. While it might not be the best, the cost of getting new 777 and dumping the A340s might not be worth it. SQ will probably do it -- and those are likely to go to an existing user of the type. Who knows about EK or AC...

User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1831 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18149 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 1):
AC was already looking to order the -200LR I believe but then their pilots got all huffy.

AC did order 777-200LR, 777-300ER and 787 but the pilots union voted them down and the order was canceled. I think there is still a possibility of them coming though.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18084 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
There is a very strong possibility that SQ. . .

Will probably happen, though not for a few more years. Even if SQ chooses the 772LR this December, which they are widely expected to do, they probably won't be looking to dispose of their 5 A345's for another 3-4 years, once the -200LR fleet is operational.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
. . . AC . . .

OTOH, this will happen. Milton has already publicly stated that the 767, A330 and A340 fleets will be disposed of in favor of the 787 and 777. Though this order was quite visibly delayed (not cancelled, as no firm order was ever placed), there appears to be a framework in place now that will allow the airline and the pilots to come to an agreement. I would expect an order sometime in 1Q06.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
. . . CX . . .

This also will happen, in the sense that CX will probably not keep the 3 current A346's they are leasing from ILFC. What they replace them with is anybody's guess, and could well be more A346's (the -HGWs). The 773ER has apparently caught CX's interest, but it might be hard to convince this conservative airline to fly twins long-haul.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
. . . and even Emirates

I wouldn't hold your breath on EK dumping their A345 fleet. This airplane will probably stay in the EK fleet for years to come. However, there have been numerous suggestions (both from questionable and legitimate sources) that the A346 order is in trouble. With the 773ER now capable of doing what EK bought the A346 for, I would not be surprised to see the A346 deposits put toward the up-coming A350 order instead. OTOH, I also wouldn't be surprised to see EK take delivery of at least some of the A346's as well. It really could go either way.


As to where these aircraft will end up, I think you've already hit the top two candidates. VS and LH will certainly wind up with more of these birds, the only question will be from what source. I think you'll see some of them wind up on the sub-continent as well, and possibly in Latin America. I'll let you decide which particular airlines. . .  Wink


Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18082 times:

As SQ own a lot of Virgin there is a good possibility of fleet transfer if the Boeing is better?? but is it???

User currently offlineSq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 17992 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Virgin Atlantic and Lufthansa could take the A340-600s. The A340-500s could go to.....

IB, TG and perhaps a couple Indian Airlines could take them. I don't think CX and MU are strong candidates going for more of those. If Boeing will launch the 747ADV and price is competitive with A340-600. I would think a great many will go for 747ADV. My opinion only.

Cheers


User currently offlineSam the Lab From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17836 times:

Would the A340-500s if not the A340-600s get to Los Angeles off the present runway 10/28 at Dublin and how far to the east could a -500 go?

Because of the relatively short runway at Dublin guess we could always have an eastbound snn stopover!

Only joking!


User currently offlineFuffla From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17824 times:

I wish TG would make up their mind between the A340 and T7. They should have gone one way or another. But, they might take in a couple of A345's, if they could find routes for them. (There are plenty of routes out there, but they just cannot seem to make up their mind with anything, ie: JNB)

User currently onlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2219 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17761 times:

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 7):
As SQ own a lot of Virgin there is a good possibility of fleet transfer if the Boeing is better?? but is it???

I don't see any reason why VS should get the five A345s that SQ has. VS doesn't need this type in their fleet.

Quoting Fuffla (Reply 10):
I wish TG would make up their mind between the A340 and T7.

Agreed. After they get rid of their MD-11s, the TG widebody fleet will look like this: B743, B744, B772, B772ER, B773, A300, A333, A345, A346. And soon they will get the A380!



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17653 times:

EK will not phase out their A345s, I have already explained why in another thread.

SQ? Buying five new 772LRs for a billion dollar after just have bought 773ERs for 3.6 billion? Do they have money-sh..t..ng donkeys somewhere? They need to replace the 744s and older 772s first.

AC? With what do they want to replace all the A333s, A343s, and A345s with? Hot air? As long as they don't have ordered anything, they won't replace anything.

CX? Interesting that a 773A customer operates A346. They have the old model with the heavy wings and they only leased them, so they might be tempted to give theirs away, if Boeing sells them 773ERs for an apple and an egg. But they would have to replace their 744s first.

By the way, a 744 uses around 4 liters per pas per 100km, the A346 only 3.6 liters. So why would anyone replace an A346 and keep a 744?? Makes no sense.

TG is another 773A customer that went for the A346 and A345. I don't remember when exactly they ordered them, was it before Boeing had launched the 772LR and the 773ER??? Anyway, they have an interesting fleet mix, reminds me of LTU, when they had Lockheed, Douglas, Boeing and Airbus at the same time. I think TG will kick out the MD-11, the 743 and eventually the 744.

IIRC there is nowhere a A340 or A330 standing in some desert. As long as there are 747classic, MD-11s, and even worse planes flying around, these new Airbusses will find a place, especially if Boeing buys them from airlines and sells them for half the price of a new one. But as I stated above, who will dump them? That's the dream of some over-excited Boeing fans.


User currently onlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2219 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17558 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
TG is another 773A customer that went for the A346 and A345. I don't remember when exactly they ordered them, was it before Boeing had launched the 772LR and the 773ER???

I think Thai ordered the A345 and A346 in 2003 or 2004, so it was after the 773ER was in service already, and while the 772LR was being developed. So there's no risk that TG will dump them.



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User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 810 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17372 times:

So who will take the dumped 744's of airlines wishing to replace them with
A-380's, and oh wait even better, who do you think in 6 or 7 years from
know might take the dumped 772ER's replaced by A-350???
This is a typical question by a Airbus hater(it's not a boeing fan,cos I'm one
too but I don't bash airbus) who needs validation from other members that
Boeing is the supreme planemaker and that airbus,well, sucks...
Congratulations.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 17264 times:

Hmmm, bad topic title, as if that´s anything that will happen soon.
You could also ask who´ll take all the dumped 777As and 773s once Emirates has taken its 773ERs and A346s and A380s ordered? Or who´ll take the vast fleets of 767/777 once Delta goes really bust.
This your topic ist just written to create another A vs.B battle.


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2543 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 17102 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 3):
Well, yes. 777-300ER/-200LR is basicaly the 777NG. Same for the A340-500/600, which is the A340NG

Not according to Boeing or Airbus. Making up your own designations is just confusing.

The 737NG was so called when launched to emphasise the redesign of what was a very old airframe. That doesn't really apply to the 777 or the A340, yet.



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 17002 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
who will take those aircraft?

The A340-500 will go to...
Eva Air and PIA to replace their yet to be delivered 777-200LR aircraft, and Qantas to compliment the fleet of their yet to be ordered A340-500 aircraft  Yeah sure Not?



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User currently offlineGlasgow From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16934 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
So, if they do so, who will take those aircraft?

A step up the ladder for FR ?!


User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 810 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16900 times:

SN might take some to complement their A-380 order , to fly the thinner routes! crazy 

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16856 times:

Quoting RedChili (Reply 13):
I think Thai ordered the A345 and A346 in 2003 or 2004, so it was after the 773ER was in service already, and while the 772LR was being developed. So there's no risk that TG will dump them.

So the question remains: Why didn't they order T7s, if those are sooooo superior?? It's not like LH, VS, or SA, who need Airbus for fleet commonality, TG has 772s and 773s.


Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 14):
This is a typical question by a Airbus hater(it's not a boeing fan,cos I'm one
too but I don't bash airbus) who needs validation from other members that
Boeing is the supreme planemaker and that airbus,well, sucks...



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 15):
Is this another pathetic attempt to start a flamewar.....again????



Quoting NA (Reply 16):
Hmmm, bad topic title, as if that´s anything that will happen soon.
You could also ask who´ll take all the dumped 777As and 773s once Emirates has taken its 773ERs and A346s and A380s ordered? Or who´ll take the vast fleets of 767/777 once Delta goes really bust.
This your topic ist just written to create another A vs.B battle.

I agree, it's just about starting another A vs. B.

Quoting FLYtoEGCC (Reply 17):
Rumours are abound that bmibaby might be about to receive some A340-600s to launch a 10x-daily high-capacity service between Newquay and Norwich, and may also take a few -500s to launch a non-stop flagship service from Inverness to Honolulu.

Great!  rotfl  How about some A380, then?

Quoting Manni (Reply 19):
The A340-500 will go to...
Eva Air and PIA to replace their yet to be delivered 777-200LR aircraft, and Qantas to compliment the fleet of their yet to be ordered A340-500 aircraft Not?

QF? Why not?

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 21):
SN might take some to complement their A-380 order , to fly the thinner routes!

Like BRU-THF? I'd love to see an A346 at THF.  smile 


User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16510 times:

SAS (SK) did in fact inquire about leasing a 346 from LH last year.SAS needs more capacity on the CPH-NRT route.They can only have one daily slot at NRT,so extra capacity has to come with bigger planes.But LH needs all the 346's they have.Other than that,there is no immediate need for 346's in SAS.But with plans for a non-stop CPH-SIN flight in the future,maybe the A345 would be a good choice?


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16392 times:

Quoting FBU 4EVER! (Reply 23):
SAS (SK) did in fact inquire about leasing a 346 from LH last year.SAS needs more capacity on the CPH-NRT route.They can only have one daily slot at NRT,so extra capacity has to come with bigger planes.But LH needs all the 346's they have.Other than that,there is no immediate need for 346's in SAS.But with plans for a non-stop CPH-SIN flight in the future,maybe the A345 would be a good choice?

Thats a good shout actually.

I'd say thats the most intelligent idea ive hear for a while.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinePersotvik From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16278 times:

Hey!!

We need another aircraft manufacturer!!!
It's a shame that MDD didn't make it!!
So many lovely advanced MD11 ER's around and not to mention the MD12.
Half the life is dreaming......

Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
IIRC there is nowhere a A340 or A330 standing in some desert. As long as there are 747classic, MD-11s, and even worse planes flying around, these new Airbusses will find a place, especially if Boeing buys them from airlines and sells them for half the price of a new one. But as I stated above, who will dump them? That's the dream of some over-excited Boeing fans.

Terrible statement! Even worse planes you said. Are you an aviation enthusiast ? is my question for you!

It's remarkable that the B747 Classic is still flying around! What a great design!
And the MD11 is fantastic too, have been flying revenue service for 15 years now and will still fly many many years as freighters for many operators. As well as pax flying for RG, KL and AY well beyond 2010. That's over 20 years of good reliable service.



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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16128 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
By the way, a 744 uses around 4 liters per pas per 100km, the A346 only 3.6 liters. So why would anyone replace an A346 and keep a 744?? Makes no sense.

Size? Capacity? The fact that you can pack more cargo and more pax into flights that are always full anyway? If you are only going to be able to fly twice a day (long haul time restrictions -- there aren't so many logical times to fly) then 744 isn't a bad choice if you can pack the whole thing.


25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : SQ puts their planes at a much quicker depreciation rate than the industry, in a few more years, their A345's will depreciate enough were they would
26 LegendDC9 : How did the 345/346's fall from grace so fast? They were the hottest thing in the air less than 3 years ago when SQ announced the LAX-SIN and JFK-SIN
27 Zvezda : Agreed. My guess is that SQ will order 10 B777-200LRs and that the A340-500s will be retired from the fleet as the 6th through 10th B777-200LRs enter
28 Airzim : Because TG has had issues with ETOPs certification. Hence they had no choice but to go for a 3/4 engine aircraft.
29 PPVRA : I wouldn't be surprised if TAM leasing some temporarily until the A350s arrive. But I wouldn't put my money on it either... Cheers
30 Motif1 : Does anyone know if the A340 program is profitable? Airbus have not sold many planes especially from the A345/346 model. What is their break-even poin
31 CHRISBA777ER : LOL just because a lot of Pro-Boeing A-netters say the A340NG is a heap of junk and all the current users are going to drop it for the relevant Boein
32 Post contains images Ikramerica : What a biased post. Thanks. bad math. if order was in 2003, 773ER was still in testing and slots not available for nearly 2 years. 346 was available
33 Post contains images NYC777 : Because international long haul flying is coming back in a strong way, it won't be a problem to place the A340-500/600 even though they're inferior co
34 Johnny : Strange Topic..! The question is not which airline will get the dumped A345/346´s.The question is: Will they really been dumped?!? SQ : rumoured for
35 Astuteman : I think it's the word "dumped" that some people might question........
36 WINGS : Well its going to be hard to choose from any other engine type. Both the A340-500 and A340-600 only come with Trent500 engines. Regards, Wings
37 Stitch : EK recently completed financing of their tenth A345 and they did indeed only order 773ER (I thought they also had some 772LRs), so they seem to be hap
38 Post contains images Hotelbravo : I agree. I would even add this: perhaps the 772LR's range is actually TOO LONG, hence the small number of orders so far. When it comes down to it, th
39 Dougloid : I concur-"dumped" is loaded with pejoratives.... if A340s end up in storage it will be because they do not meet the financial needs of the operators,
40 Zvezda : For the B777-300ER (at present OEW) to make SFO/LAX-SIN, it needs to carry a full fuel load and (when weather is bad) a payload that is too small to
41 Post contains images Thorben : I meant worse concerning the economics. In a few more years their older planes will be even older. Good for those that will buy them. But anyway, wan
42 3201 :
43 JetMaster : Are you joking? I hope so... Regards, JM
44 Dougloid : B.b.but Ah never inhaled! B.b.but Ah never had sex with that woman Miss Lewinsky!
45 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I think part of the reason is that Boeing's sales team has become much more aggressive and flexible with selling of their products. There isn't as mu
46 Ikramerica : "Lots" is a big number. I'd say some. But most will go with the 358/359 instead, if they want to keep crew and capacity commonality but increase effi
47 FlyingHippo : Although I'm not sure when did TG ordered the A346, I'm sure they didn't order them on 29.6.2005 (or 6/29/2005 or 2005/6/29). The question is, when T
48 Thorben : Of course. Let's see what they say to the A350. That they need to replace other aircraft first. OK, but you might read what I wrote before posting BS
49 WhiteHatter : If SQ does anything with their A345, it will be to expand services and increase pilot training ahead of the A380 rollout. Cockpit commonality is consi
50 RedFlyer : It's very profitable since the 340 and 330 are part of the same program and are, for the most part, the same aircraft, just designed for different mi
51 N328KF : Do you know of the concept of "opportunity cost?"
52 Thorben : The development for the A345/6 cost around $3 billion. I don't know how much every frame contributes to that. If it is $30 million, then they should
53 Henny : Huh....? NG is an entirely-Boeing derived and albeit incredibly cheesy designation for its new-er 737 products... Do not use it for anything else, bo
54 OldAeroGuy : Might be true to the A342/3 but not the A345/6. The A345/6 do not share a common wing with any A330. The A345/6 wing modifications were so extensive
55 RedFlyer : I'm not discounting what you're saying, but out of curiosity do you know what the development costs were for the 767-400?
56 Post contains images Jacobin777 : yah.lets see..they basically said "NO" to Airbus about the A350...the probability of them changing their order from the 777/787 to the 777/A350 or 34
57 MGA : THIS THREAD IS B.S. We dont know anything regarding these airliners futures.... It´s the same as if I would ask: Where will the 747´s go now that ev
58 KLMCedric : Jacobin777, Your username implies that your a big a fan of the B777, and you should be because it's one heck of an aircraft, yet it's my impression th
59 Thorben : Who's grasping for straws, here? They have enough Airbus aircraft, it would make a lot of sense if they replaced the 343s and 333s with the A350 and
60 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ......does this answer your question? and if you have read my other posts, you would have known that I've had nothing but praise for the A330!
61 Dougloid : Thorben it is going to be a LOT more than 3 billion bucks that AB has to spend to develop an entirely new aircraft or even a warmed over variant of a
62 Post contains images UAMAYBACH1239 : Airlines make fleet descisions based on the on the company overall well being not just liters. Crew allotment, airport, pax etc... LAX as an example
63 Motif1 : As you can see the thread has nicely evolved to cover much more than the original question which is only hypothetical anyway. Take it easy! - Motif1
64 Thorben : How much did they really change for the longer A340s? Besides, they only plan between 4 and 5 billion € for the A350, which is more different from
65 LACA773 : If they do dump these carriers do dump their 345s and 346s, what are your thoughts on MX getting a couple of them or even US? Does anyone know how the
66 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..it seems Thorben as if you are grasping for straws here... AC has CLEARLY stated they are willing to COMPLETELY switch their Airbus long hauls for
67 N79969 : I agree with this point. It probably is wise to keep a pool of Airbus-familiarized pilots in the company before and during the A380 induction.
68 Morvious : Just a shame some people are bashing this normal topic to a A vs B war. Why should it. It is normal that some of the A345 and A346 operators will go t
69 Post contains images Malaysia : I know! Maybe Independence Air will take them? they could be next Eastern gift from Airbus, $1 dollar for each plane to promote the A340 series in the
70 RedChili : Nobody ever expected the A345 to sell like hot cakes. It is a very expensive niche aircraft designed for a few select missions. So in that way, it ha
71 SunriseValley : You are only telling half the story. Why not add in the freight and then look at the fuel burn.
72 Jacobin777 : besides VS's 10 A340-600 orders, there have been none..can't say it looks too good for the A346, but it might get some orders from such carriers such
73 SunriseValley : Why don't you go back into the archives and postings of only two or three days ago and get up to date. The best summary is found if you do a search f
74 AlitaliaMD11 : I think that those A340-500/600s aren't going anywhere, well maybe Air Canada's, but the rest I think will stay in their airlines fleet.
75 Starrion : And not all of the airlines are going to grab the 777's either. I'm a Boeing fan but just because the 777 has a small to moderate efficiency advantage
76 Post contains images Glareskin : Starrion, what a perfect reason! Respect! And there probably will be some other carriers to order the A345 / 346. After all it's just the 777 is havin
77 Gokmengs : Completely agree with all of your points. Flew CZ 777 from LAX-CAN business class and although CZ is miserable in IFE the aircraft is spacious and an
78 Thorben : LOL. Ok, I agree, but let's see, maybe in a couple of years, I'll really be CEO somewhere. And I wouldn't mind having an armchair, then. Better than
79 RedChili : Lufthansa also ordered some more this year.
80 Johnny : Hi! i think i should clarify that TG-Thing... Why did not TG order some 777-300ER instead of the A346? Simple answer: Some of you guys should remember
81 RedChili : Very informative post, Johnny. I really didn't know that any carrier has had such problems with ETOPS.
82 ZK-NBT : So with TG why are they still flying the 773's on long haul? The main routes they were used on were Australia back in 1999/2000. They fly to BNE now a
83 Post contains images PM : ...also with RR. And have Cathay, Emirates and SIA had the same problems with their RR 777-300s? I think not. Sounds to me like this is a TG problem,
84 Mandala499 : If dumped with cheap lease on offers... Garuda would probably wish to take them... *read: WISH* :P Mandala499
85 Post contains images Jacobin777 : maybe you people should read before stating false comments....... and if you bothered to click on the photos and read the captions, it would have bee
86 Thorben : It was in Dec. 2004. I read in "Aero International" that they wanted to buy T7s, in order to give a sign (to Boeing, showing they still have a busine
87 RedChili : Okay, so I was off by a few weeks. But it still proves that the A346 is not dead yet.
88 Post contains images Jacobin777 : fair enough... nobody said that the A346 was dead by any stretch of the imagination...with carriers such as LH, SA, CX, IB, EK (soon), etc. flying th
89 OldAeroGuy : It's .05 per 1000 engines hours for 120 mins. ETOPS and .02 per 1000 engine hours for 180 min. ETOPS. Today the world-wide RR 777 fleet stands at .00
90 SunriseValley : Wrong. the terms under which the pilots will fly the 777 fleet has been put to binding arbitration. Both sides will probably lose a little but it doe
91 Slarty : Isn't this completely hypothetical? I understand that there is almost no idle 777 A/C, nor delivery slots for the several years. Those airlines will b
92 Thorben : The question is: How much of a performance shortfall is there really? Boeing claims it is 20%, and a lot of B fans here believe it without doubting.
93 N328KF : "Hot and high" is an issue for the 777? On what planet? Venus?
94 DAYflyer : I think Air France is a likely candidate. How about Air Tahiti N??
95 Post contains images Ikramerica : Then they would need to be a launch customer if it was that early. And a prelaunch customer for the 772LR, which makes no sense. They needed planes w
96 OldAeroGuy : Well, I can tell you that on the basis of empty weight alone, the 773ER will have about a 6-8% trip fuel advantage over the A346HGW at their respecti
97 Post contains images Hamlet69 : I've tried to avoid posting on this thread again, as people were getting way too sensitive about things (even the thread starter was speculating, peop
98 Ikramerica : Well, these two costs are not 764ER specific. The 764ER interior was considered the '777' inspired interior and was applied over the entire 767ER lin
99 Hamlet69 : Ikramerica, It wasn't (nor is it) my intention to get off track, simply to point out an error. As to 764ER costs, you are right that the new interior
100 Bmacleod : Not if they can find a few previously operated 773s. $64 crude costs even more when your using 4 engines as opposed to 2 and this has been reflected
101 Trex8 : ETOPS certification by FAA/JAA etc for the aircraft/engine combo is based on total fleet time but individual airlines too have to "qualify". This was
102 OldAeroGuy : Yes, airlines do need to qualify. However, as you state, bad luck can be involved. That is why if an airline is subject to that bad luck, it doesn't
103 Caribb : A news story in The Globe & Mail this week said the split in the Air Canada union between ex-CP and current AC pilots has hardened and widened. The od
104 Post contains links Dan2002 : To add to that, Thorben,here's some reading material for ya: http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/in...uments/ACE_presentation_050425.pdf Dan
105 Ikramerica : Well, considering I never said that, you are right. The 764ER may have been inspired by the original 777 glass cockpit and the 737NG, but it actually
106 NAVEGA : Probably Mexicana as they are starting service to the orient in 2007 which is only 15 months away. They have been negotiating with AIRBUS for A340 and
107 QantasHeavy : Would not see CX getting the 777LR, even though it makes sense for them. They, like Virgin, like 4 engines for trabs-oceanic long-haul (A333s to Austr
108 Squirrel83 : IMO I think the only ones to dump anything in the next two years is SQ. Read an article the other day about Ryan International, North American, and O
109 Lemurs : That's a really really precarious limb. CO already operates a GE90 777 fleet, and are all Boeing after their last MD-80 was sent away this year, whic
110 SunriseValley : If the Globe said this they have it all wrong. There are many many postings to this list that set the record straight The split within the Union will
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