Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1657 times:
Copa Airlines is announcing in their website that in a meting yesterday between the president of Mexico and the jackass of Panama (sorry but I had to insert my plug) the two countries agreed to sign a new bilateral which will allow increases in services to Mexico.
The first increase will be a daily flight to Cancun, this is kind of a surprise, since it was always thought that they suffered from poor loads. This flights will probably be held with EMB190's
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1632 times:
Quoting Luisca (Thread starter): The first increase will be a daily flight to Cancun
Makes me happy when Latin Airlines expand services to Mexico. If they add new destinations, PVR, MTY and GDL would be the next logical ones. They could even connect on CO to the USA out of those ports. (Altough MTY might be a little too far for an Embraer). Anyways, good news.
Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1524 times:
And if you learned a bit of panamanian history you would know that becouse of the terrible things that his party and his father did, I had to flee my country and that is why i live in Miami
The amount of people that were tortured, murdered, exiled. And the fact that our current "exelentisimo" is making alliances with Chavez and Lula, I would say that calling him a jackass is putting it pretty.
TommyBoy From United States of America, joined May 2000, 150 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1522 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 3): And what would your reaction be if someone referred to your President the same way?
RAMPRAT980 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 600 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1522 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 3): And what would your reaction be if someone referred to your President the same way?
G.W. ? not possible.
With gun control there can be no democracy.. With gun control there can be no Freedom
Civilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1496 times:
Luisca
Quoting Luisca (Thread starter): The first increase will be a daily flight to Cancun, this is kind of a surprise, since it was always thought that they suffered from poor loads
Well Luis, this is a surprise statement on your part... let me tell you I run a travel business in Cancún (Nomadas Travel, an STA) and load factors at CUN have improved enormously over the past couple of years since I opened for business to the point that it is becoming hard to find places with the current 3 flights a week to PTY. You bet it is welcome news and a very wise move too by the airline as its hub in Tocumen expands. Originally, they were planning on the daily service but as of summer 2006.
Leaving politics aside, I warmly congratulate one of my favourite airlines, without a shadow of doubt, an excellent ambassador for Panama from any angle !!
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22726 posts, RR: 88 Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1490 times:
Quoting Luisca (Reply 11): Thats why god invented airplanes!
I'm still puzzled - if you can go back, why did you flee? - but what the hey?
My point is that this is an aviation forum. There are several threads at the moment, or recently, that moved away from aviation into politics, and the forum is no better for it.
What we got instead was personal attacks on people. I think it is better when it is about aircraft.
Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1485 times:
Quoting Civilav (Reply 13): Well Luis, this is a surprise statement on your part... let me tell you I run a travel business in Cancún (Nomadas Travel, an STA) and load factors at CUN have improved enormously over the past couple of years since I opened for business to the point that it is becoming hard to find places with the current 3 flights a week to PTY. You bet it is welcome news and a very wise move too by the airline as its hub in Tocumen expands. Originally, they were planning on the daily service but as of summer 2006.
This is great news, in summer of 2002 I took PTY-CUN, since my dad is platinum elite I got upgraded on PTY-CUN and CUN-PTY, and we were the only people on first class and there were about 30 pasengers on the plane, and the FA told me that almost everytime she got the PTY-CUN flight that was the case.
Now the ADZ flight, which is the other leisure route that copa flies is definatly a money looser.
Quoting Mariner (Reply 14): - if you can go back, why did you flee?
Obviusly after the dictatorship ended we can go back to Panama, I lived there until the end of the last goverment, when the "exelentisimo" won, we decided to move back to MIA
But lets leave politics for another time, if I could I would edit out the original comment, but I saw this news on the La Prensa today and I read other things that got me angry, and I guess I wrote it in the spur of the moment.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1437 times:
Stubburn CM, they love to fly daily to low-yield - leisure destinations like CTG, ADZ and CUN, however at least now they'll offer passengers from GRU, EZE, SCL, LIM, GYE shorter holiday programmes to the destinations mentioned above.
Still I don't see CM improving their service to Jamaica (they don't do MBJ) and adding such leisure destinations: POP and/or PUJ, VRA, CUR and AUA, PMV, BGI (now when they'll start POS), BZE, GCM, SCU, MSY, TPA, IQT to their network.
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 15 Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1412 times:
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 17): Stubburn CM, they love to fly daily to low-yield - leisure destinations like CTG, ADZ and CUN, however at least now they'll offer passengers from GRU, EZE, SCL, LIM, GYE shorter holiday programmes to the destinations mentioned above.
They don't love to fly daily to ADZ, they actually hate it. They have no other choice if they wish to keep BOG as a destination in the second bank of flights. Wise decision.
Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1383 times:
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 17): Still I don't see CM improving their service to Jamaica (they don't do MBJ) and adding such leisure destinations: POP and/or PUJ, VRA, CUR and AUA, PMV, BGI (now when they'll start POS), BZE, GCM, SCU, MSY, TPA, IQT to their network.
I would really love to hear what was your experience in the jamaica flight that you commonly refer to. Im really curious becouse you always bring it up.
When Copa announced to its employess the EMB190 order, it stated in the memo that SAP and MBJ would be some of the first routes to see this plane. These were routes that Copa flew in the past but had to abbandon becouse of poor loads.
About GCM (grand cayman), Cayman Airways has applied for the PTY-GCM route, they have served it as a seasonal charter before in codeshare with copa and it has seen really good loads. PTY can be a huge connection center between central and south america and GCM.
The launch of AUA, PUJ, are both a matter of when, not if. If you look at copa's route map, there isnt much room left for expansion, yet they have about 25 planes in backorder plus another 18 options, so the only logical expansion appart from increasing frequencies is expanding into the caribbean. I believe that CO sees CM as essential in its expansion to the Caribbean.
Now all I hope is that the Tocumen Airport authority takes ther hand out of their a$$ and start building the T2, otherwise CM will have to park those EMB in the grass.
Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 18): They don't love to fly daily to ADZ, they actually hate it. They have no other choice if they wish to keep BOG as a destination in the second bank of flights. Wise decision.
If i am correct I believe P5 will be fliying soon the PTY-ADZ route and CM will abandon it, leaving it as codeshare. CM really needs that 73G for something else, they are really short on planes at this time and they need all the capacity they can get. There is a rumor going on that CM will trade their 4 leased 73G for purchased 738's.
Lets hope that in the next Torrijos-Uribe metting they can get the new billateral, this would mean 2 daily to all current colombian cities except CTG and new routes like PEI. I understand that loads to BAQ have improved a lot, as a matter o fact CM is keeping the 73G on the PTY-BAQ route and downgrading PTY-CTG to a EMB
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 15 Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1362 times:
Quoting Luisca (Reply 19): If i am correct I believe P5 will be fliying soon the PTY-ADZ route and CM will abandon it, leaving it as codeshare.
It would be very convinient for Copa. AeroRepublica has always had a larger presence in ADZ, and currently are the biggest airline to the island. AV goes second.
Quoting Luisca (Reply 19): understand that loads to BAQ have improved a lot, as a matter o fact CM is keeping the 73G on the PTY-BAQ route and downgrading PTY-CTG to a EMB
The decision of keeping BAQ as a 73G destination was incredibly surprising when it was published. BAQ-PTY has indeed improved, but is still generating extremely mediocre loads; in the past mid-year high-season the route was only able to register a 40% load at its best.
The only feasible reasoning I find behing keeping the 73G to BAQ might be a decent amount of cargo traffic. BAQ is, after all, Colombia's third most important cargo airport.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1289 times:
Quoting Luisca (Reply 19): I would really love to hear what was your experience in the jamaica flight that you commonly refer to. Im really curious becouse you always bring it up.
When Copa announced to its employess the EMB190 order, it stated in the memo that SAP and MBJ would be some of the first routes to see this plane. These were routes that Copa flew in the past but had to abbandon becouse of poor loads.
CM is the only "reliable" way to fly to Haïti and Jamaica from Latinamerica without going thru MIA. For years they've known this but they've kept the PAP/KIN service to a minimum twice weekly frequency for the past 4 years; CM aslo knows that there is a frequent, unique kind of O/D traffic between PTY and PAP/KIN, not even because of that they've not shown any interest to improve that service.
CM stopped MBJ because of poor loads, they flew up to 5 times per week PTY-KIN-MBJ-PTY and twice weekly PTY-PAP-PTY in the time their Hub of the Americas wasn't a real success. Now they have destinations in their network that could generate traffic to/from PAP/KIN/MBJ thru their hub but still keep the Haïti/Jamaica flight as their "ugly-duckling" flight.
CM is a pride for Panama, but I'm sad to see it not taking advantage of their full potential in PAP and KIN, for reasons that suggest there are 2 kinds of Caribbean destinations for them, the spanish-speaking and the others.
NAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1246 times:
Cheers to you Mariner:
I too get angry to see threads from Mexico and Panama that
turn into politics.
If one is unhappy in their country, they should leave it or their politics, make a change or move like millions do.
This is an Airliners webpage to discuss the airline industry and not the political problems of countries.
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