DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2360 times:
Does this mean that the order will be placed now before 2010?????
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5160 posts, RR: 49 Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2346 times:
It'll e interesting to see what happens in the next month to month and a half. Curious to also see when theyy would receive their first 777. Guaging from 9W's first deliveries, I would guess that summer '07 would be first T7 deliveries. 787 deliveries are going to be a lot tougher though I'm going to venture a guess as say '10 - '11 time frame.
After cabinet approval what's the remaining steps before Boeing can actually put the order on their web site (other than negotiating pricing and delivery time frames)?
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2335 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4): Guaging from 9W's first deliveries, I would guess that summer '07 would be first T7 deliveries. 787 deliveries are going to be a lot tougher though I'm going to venture a guess as say '10 - '11 time frame.
Slightly incorrect. AI has slots from Boeing and is something like a "priority customer" - i.e. for the future very important. It is part of the package.. T7s will come during 2006 end, and 787s, if I am not mistaken, before 2010
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5160 posts, RR: 49 Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2330 times:
I didn't realize they had already reserved those delivery slots. Did AI put down deposits to secure thise early delivery slots?
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2325 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6): I didn't realize they had already reserved those delivery slots.
Now someone else needs to verify what I say, because I am not at the source. But afaik the early slots are part of the response on AI's tender. AI says: "We need xxx aircraft for yyy purpose from the time of zzzz".. no modifications possible. Hence if B or A want to win the deal (which has a financial guarantee and is very lucrative), they need to get their act together to meed the requirements. Post-negotiations are rather about the package per se (detailed price etc), but the requirements of the tender have to be met in order not to be subject to disqualification - AI is govt owned and hence does not comply with all unwritten laws of the free market
Sq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2101 times:
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2086 times:
SQ212.
many thanks for the link..! but no worries, this is irrelevant for AIs decision - in fact, this information was already available in July. India remains a sovereign nation and can decide in compliance with the issued tenders which aircraft they want. SO no worries here.. as long the CVC (Vigilance Commission) is not activated, this thing can proceed..
Skyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 461 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2023 times:
Have all the bribes been paid yet? Must've if the deal has been announced I guess.....
"Those who talk, do not know, and those who know, do not talk."
Sq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1996 times:
Mrniji
Thanks for your comments. Hope it end well and more power to AI
LH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1972 times:
This gov't when it wants to, has the capacity to act. Just look at the how quickly the IC order moved, and that had been stuck alot longer then the AI order.
Now my personal preference would have been for an AIRBUS order, but AI needs new equipment and FAST. This order and the fleet entry will be good!
USAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1411 posts, RR: 53 Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1887 times:
Quoting KhenleyDIA (Reply 17): I don't know who the 20 are for but there will be another addition of 27 since AI just received approval!
Correct and the T7s aren't listed. I think those are another airline or lessor.
Regards,
Sal
336th Tactical Fighter Squadron, 4th Fighter Wing, Seymour Johnson AFB
N60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 28 Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1866 times:
Quoting KhenleyDIA (Reply 17): but there will be another addition of 27 since AI just received approval!
The AI RFP regarding the 787 was for 20 firm and 7 options. So the addition would be for 20 airframes, not 27 as the options are not listed on Boeing's website, just firm orders. When an airline eventually converts it's options to firm orders, Boeing has had a policy of stating it in their official press release as a conversion of options. To give you an example, on Oct. 5, Boeing issued a press release on the Ryanair purchase of 9 additional 737-800's. The press release read:
"SEATTLE, Oct. 5, 2005 – Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Ryanair, Europe's largest low-fare carrier, announced that the airline has ordered an additional nine new Next-Generation 737-800s, exercising options from a previous agreement. The deal is valued at upwards of $500 million at list prices. "
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1864 times:
whooohooo..hope to see some AI 777's land @ SFO...I wonder which one they will use....
actually, DEL-SJC would be pretty intersting too...as Southern Bay Area (Sunnyvale, Cupertino, San Jose, Fremont, Santa Clara, etc.) has a HUGE desi population..!!
USAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1411 posts, RR: 53 Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1807 times:
Quoting N60659 (Reply 20): So the addition would be for 20 airframes, not 27 as the options are not listed on Boeing's website, just firm orders.
Quite true, and I believe these are an ADDITIONAL 20 from the 7 UFOs from last week. The order book for the 787 is quite impressive. As stated by many on this thread, we'll see the AI 787 listed once it's a signed order.
[Edited 2005-10-13 21:56:09]
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Glideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1542 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1601 times:
It's nice to see Boeing beating Airbus at their own game these days.
"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved"
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1523 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 26): or latest when GWB visits in Feb 2006.
Huh? What does GWB have to do with this? The deal is between AI (the GOI) and Boeing, and not between India and the US? Or am I mistaken in my assumption, because Boeing is de facto supported by the GOP and receives subsidies and other aid?
(or course it would be possible that a big delegation of industrialists joins GWB.. - it was different with the IC airbus thing, since the delegation visited France)
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1512 times:
Quoting Mrniji (Reply 27): What does GWB have to do with this
Nothing.
But remember the Blair visit.
Indian Govt would want to make it an official announcement at that time.Although personally Earlier the better.
regds
MEL
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1498 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 28): Nothing.
But remember the Blair visit.
and that is THE point... both governments are agents of their allegedly private-sector industries and embedding the success within their strategies.. - it's a shame that the West is so harsh on subsidies in the 3rd world in favor of their "market reforms" and blablabla.... q.e.d
Himmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1028 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1465 times:
Congratulations to AI. Is it more than a coincidence that PIB has cleared it on October 15th which happens to be the 73rd anniv. of AI.
Drinks are on me at the next Indian a.netters meet.
cheers.
An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
25 Georgiabill: Congratulation to both Air India and Boeing. The 777's will look great in Air India's color scheme!
26 Mrniji: The 777 looks HORRIBLE in AIs scheme.. check the database, as AI already operates 3 ex-UA 777s
27 KC135TopBoom: I would like to see AI start flying into DFW. With the B-777-200LRs and the B-787-800s, they have the range. It is only 7642 nm going over the North P
28 HAWK21M: Won't be surprised.We look for occassions. Yeah long time no meet.Even the Y group has gone to sleep. regds MEL
29 Ourboeing: I am quoting the following from the newpaper link above: "Accusing Air India of unequal treatment against Boeing, Airbus has expressed doubts about t
30 Mrniji: I fully agree! I actually was in DEL when this happened and had to undergo the big punishment to listen to a lamenting French ambassador and lamentin
31 HAWK21M: Howard [Airbus India Rep] had to leave Airbus after He spoke some harsh words Against AI.He was picked up by Kingfisher soon Enough. regds MEL
32 Pomnath: No, your Brit Prince Andrew and his Nazi nephew were not invited to this party, so they didn't get any bribes. Next stupid question, please. Well, ho
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- i.e. for the future very important. It is part of the package.. T7s will come during 2006 end, and 787s, if I am not mistaken, before 2010 
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