NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5572 posts, RR: 49 Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2664 times:
It'll e interesting to see what happens in the next month to month and a half. Curious to also see when theyy would receive their first 777. Guaging from 9W's first deliveries, I would guess that summer '07 would be first T7 deliveries. 787 deliveries are going to be a lot tougher though I'm going to venture a guess as say '10 - '11 time frame.
After cabinet approval what's the remaining steps before Boeing can actually put the order on their web site (other than negotiating pricing and delivery time frames)?
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2653 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4): Guaging from 9W's first deliveries, I would guess that summer '07 would be first T7 deliveries. 787 deliveries are going to be a lot tougher though I'm going to venture a guess as say '10 - '11 time frame.
Slightly incorrect. AI has slots from Boeing and is something like a "priority customer" - i.e. for the future very important. It is part of the package.. T7s will come during 2006 end, and 787s, if I am not mistaken, before 2010
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2643 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6): I didn't realize they had already reserved those delivery slots.
Now someone else needs to verify what I say, because I am not at the source. But afaik the early slots are part of the response on AI's tender. AI says: "We need xxx aircraft for yyy purpose from the time of zzzz".. no modifications possible. Hence if B or A want to win the deal (which has a financial guarantee and is very lucrative), they need to get their act together to meed the requirements. Post-negotiations are rather about the package per se (detailed price etc), but the requirements of the tender have to be met in order not to be subject to disqualification - AI is govt owned and hence does not comply with all unwritten laws of the free market
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2404 times:
many thanks for the link..! but no worries, this is irrelevant for AIs decision - in fact, this information was already available in July. India remains a sovereign nation and can decide in compliance with the issued tenders which aircraft they want. SO no worries here.. as long the CVC (Vigilance Commission) is not activated, this thing can proceed..
N60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 28 Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2184 times:
Quoting KhenleyDIA (Reply 17): but there will be another addition of 27 since AI just received approval!
The AI RFP regarding the 787 was for 20 firm and 7 options. So the addition would be for 20 airframes, not 27 as the options are not listed on Boeing's website, just firm orders. When an airline eventually converts it's options to firm orders, Boeing has had a policy of stating it in their official press release as a conversion of options. To give you an example, on Oct. 5, Boeing issued a press release on the Ryanair purchase of 9 additional 737-800's. The press release read:
"SEATTLE, Oct. 5, 2005 – Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Ryanair, Europe's largest low-fare carrier, announced that the airline has ordered an additional nine new Next-Generation 737-800s, exercising options from a previous agreement. The deal is valued at upwards of $500 million at list prices. "
USAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1443 posts, RR: 53 Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2125 times:
Quoting N60659 (Reply 20): So the addition would be for 20 airframes, not 27 as the options are not listed on Boeing's website, just firm orders.
Quite true, and I believe these are an ADDITIONAL 20 from the 7 UFOs from last week. The order book for the 787 is quite impressive. As stated by many on this thread, we'll see the AI 787 listed once it's a signed order.
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Huh? What does GWB have to do with this? The deal is between AI (the GOI) and Boeing, and not between India and the US? Or am I mistaken in my assumption, because Boeing is de facto supported by the GOP and receives subsidies and other aid?
(or course it would be possible that a big delegation of industrialists joins GWB.. - it was different with the IC airbus thing, since the delegation visited France)
and that is THE point... both governments are agents of their allegedly private-sector industries and embedding the success within their strategies.. - it's a shame that the West is so harsh on subsidies in the 3rd world in favor of their "market reforms" and blablabla.... q.e.d