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Will WN Fly To MSP Or EWR  
User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 839 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5550 times:

In this thread we learned that ATA is discontinuing its services to BOS, EWR and MSP.

Could this open the door for WN to fly MDW-EWR and MDW-MSP? [I don't think that MDW-BOS is a good route for WN.]


--cslusarc from YWG
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User currently offlineAggieflyboi04 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5522 times:

MDW-MSP possible
MDW-EWR doubtful at best

my 2cents


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2435 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

EWR is prone to many delays- not conducive to SWA's quick turns.... I don't think SWA would touch EWR with a 10 foot pole.


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User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

MSP-RSW MSP-TPA MSP-MCO MSP-PHX Time to put the last nail in the coffin of NW! Then WN can fly FAR RST BJI STC DLH TVF GFK EAU CWA GRB to MDW! Wishful Thinking

User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3814 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 3):
Then WN can fly FAR RST BJI STC DLH TVF GFK EAU CWA GRB to MDW! Wishful Thinking

Amazingly, extremely wishful. I thought there was a minimum city size?


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

Minneapolis:

Lets hope that they go for the throat of Northwest Airlines and invade the Minneapolis market. It is possible to see:

Baltimore - 5 daily
Chicago - 5 daily
Detroit - 5 daily
Kansas City - 2 daily
Las Vegas - 3 daily
Los Angeles - 5 daily
Oakland - 3 daily
Orlando - 3 daily
Philadelphia - 4 daily
Phoenix - 3 daily
Portland - 2 daily
St. Louis - 2 daily
Seattle - 2 daily

The above combination could easily only occupy 4 gates, and would not be that big of a gamble since MSP needs more flights with all of the Northwest Airlines cutbacks and what not.Northwest Airlines, is living in borrowed time and day in and day out it is screwing over not only its employees but the city of Minneapolis.

Allowing Southwest Airlines into the MSP market would allow a breath of fresh air for the people of MSP, since they are now being strongholded by Northwest Airlines, and its over the top ways of dropping its employees. If it turns out to be a nail in the Northwest coffin, so be it.

KAHALA777


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5418 times:

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 2):
EWR is prone to many delays- not conducive to SWA's quick turns.... I don't think SWA would touch EWR with a 10 foot pole.

Yes, EWR makes no sense for WN. Maybe JFK or LGA but never in NJ.

MSP in quite interesting, if and when NW goes belly up WN would definitely enjoy success there. I would love to see ISP-MSP SO I can connect with SCY MSP-IFP without flying out of JFK on SCY and dealing with the long lay over


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5418 times:

I agree with the consensus above - IMO, MSP would stand a better chance of WN than EWR. I can see them starting with 10-15 flights to their "non-hubs" (MDW, LAS, MCO) and then aggressively expanding over the course of a few years. MSP would be a good fit for them and for the people of the Twin Cities and surrounding areas.

User currently offlineAeroman62 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 4):
Amazingly, extremely wishful. I thought there was a minimum city size?

Jackson, Mississippi, Midland, Amarillo, aren't that big, and they are served by WN. It isn't the size of the city, it's the revenue potential and the service ability to match WN's operational requirements.


User currently offlineMFEFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

and that also includes HRL, they only have a population of about 70,000-80,000. And they are still serviced by WN.


Valley Approach.....
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

I could see WN being interested in both MSP and EWR - no ones knows if it will ever get beyond interested but WN...

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 2):
EWR is prone to many delays- not conducive to SWA's quick turns.... I don't think SWA would touch EWR with a 10 foot pole.

While there's no doubt EWR is very delay prone... Southwest is already in Philly. For instance yesterday, a day with heavier rains/winds in EWR, Philly's delays were still running about 60-90 minutes longer as per the FAA site.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 5):
Philadelphia - 4 daily

Yep, add another few flights to the clusterf*ck.

Honestly, I could see ABE being Southwest's next not-really-there-but-we-act-like-it-anyways NYC/NJ Gateway.


User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5293 times:

If WN is serious about serving the New York market, then they have to expand beyond ISP either at EWR or JFK. As for MSP, it is clearly ripe for competition, but even in their current financial shape NW is not going to allow anybody to hone in on their turf. I think it would be tough for WN to make a go there.


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User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

Quoting Aeroman62 (Reply 8):
Jackson, Mississippi, Midland, Amarillo, aren't that big, and they are served by WN. It isn't the size of the city, it's the revenue potential and the service ability to match WN's operational requirements.

This has been explained before many times in many threads. The smaller metro areas that WN serves are served because they were added in the days before deregulation, or for political reasons(Jackson). Southwest insists that new cities it flies to be able to support 10 flights a day, right away. They have held fast to this rule. Most cities it has entered recently have a lot more demand potential than that. There are many smaller cities that would love to have WN, but they are indeed pipe-dreaming. Southwest has niether the equipment nor the business model to serve these destinations. Once the 737-500's go (I don't know when that will be), it is possible that many smaller destinations within Texas may be dropped.

Airtran and now Jetblue (with the E190) are going after some of these markets, not Southwest. They can make money on fewer flights per day, and have smaller aircraft.


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3814 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Quoting Aeroman62 (Reply 8):
Jackson, Mississippi, Midland, Amarillo, aren't that big, and they are served by WN. It isn't the size of the city, it's the revenue potential and the service ability to match WN's operational requirements.

Coudy said exactly what I was going to.  Smile


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

kcrw: quit skipping school to post on A.net (haha jk)

User currently offlineAviatortj From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 12):
As for MSP, it is clearly ripe for competition, but even in their current financial shape NW is not going to allow anybody to hone in on their turf. I think it would be tough for WN to make a go there.

I'd love to watch that fight go down. The press around here somehow has already painted WN as the world's best airline. Throwing in Kahala's routes would be a big cut into NWA.


User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Word on the street is that LGA could be a possibility depending on DL and US's financial futures.

NTS



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User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 4):
Amazingly, extremely wishful. I thought there was a minimum city size?

Ever heard of JAN? Most of the cities listed up there were functioning at a level equal to JAN pre-WN.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5901 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4922 times:
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Does MSP have the gate space to handle WN right now? Just curious.

User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Not even WN would have the resources to drive NW out of business and even if they did come up to MSP they still couldn't touch NW much more so than did TZ. Contrary to what many in the press and at DAL would like people to beleive, not everyone loves WN's service.

User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

As ATA Leaves MSP, NWA Ups Fares

This article suggests AirTran as the one to fill the void on MSP-MDW. I don't know where I'd put my money. Something tells me WN is in MSP's cards more now than ever.


User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

It'd be nice to see FL doing MSP-MDW again. SY used to fly MSP-ORD so that'd be ok too.

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 21):
Something tells me WN is in MSP's cards more now than ever.

That'd be something else.

pilottim747



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4831 times:

I wouldn't be surprised to see jetBlue use the opportunity to start MSP-JFK 190 service.


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User currently offlineAggieflyboi04 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Quoting Cloudy (Reply 13):
Once the 737-500's go (I don't know when that will be), it is possible that many smaller destinations within Texas may be dropped.

I don't see this happening, the only honestly small destination that WN serves in Texas is HRL but even there they have the traffic going to South Padre, I have flown this route even in winter months and the flights are full.


I think that WN is possibly seriously looking at MSP right now with ATA stoping service there.


25 Post contains images Mir : Please... -Mir
26 AviatorTJ : Turns out it was just the military charters to MSP this morning.
27 PanAm747 : How many people said, "Oh, WN will never move into PHL - it's too delay prone and US would drive them out of business?" Proving that an airline WON'T
28 N908aw : Last WN-MSP offer was for 10 gates and MSP didn't have it...
29 Iowaman : Interesting, since WN usually only starts cities with around 10 flights a day and expands from there, I guess they want plenty of room for expansion
30 N808NWatMSP : What about at the HHH Terminal? I'm sure that there would be plenty of space for WN to move in.
31 DCA-ROCguy : Although I have little time to post these days, I continue to lurk and will chime briefly into this one. Where are our NWA experts? I'll try to take t
32 JetBluefan1 : I don't think that we'll ever see WN at EWR, especially with JetBlue now serving its 5 Florida markets from the airport. We all know that WN loves to
33 LTBEWR : First of all, don't forget that WN is already in the NYC area, sort of, at Islip. There, they can have access to over 1.5 million Long Island resident
34 Tornado82 : Not to mention they'd have to acquire slots from someone
35 Alphascan : Interesting logic on this thread. The logic spewed seems to be that since ATA, WN's code share partner couldn't make a go of the MSP/MDW route competi
36 Post contains images Jerion : As mentioned in previous posts. AirTran jumped on the MSP-MDW routes when ATA announced their pull out. I'm still hoping to see WN head into MSP soon.
37 ORDagent : Hooray for FL!! It's great to see that the LCCs such as FL are nimble enough to enter a market when the opportunity presents itself. I just hope that
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