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TIJ/SAN Joint '16 Olympic Bid: Talk Of New Airport  
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Sorry, only in Spanish:

http://www.terra.com.mx/deportes/articulo/172446/

A Binational Olympic Committee is studying the feasibility of Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico and San Diego, California, U.S.A. submitting a joint bid for the 2016 Olympics. The mayors of the two cities have gotten together to discuss this possibility. The article I am linking also mentions the possibility of Tijuana and San Diego sharing a cross-border airport, although it is unclear if this would be operational during the games only. The article only mentions that TIJ is located just a few yards from the borderline.


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User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

Can you say......."sueños guajiros"?


Kids!....we are going to the happiest place on earth...TIJUANA! signed: Krusty the Clown
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Thread starter):
The article I am linking also mentions the possibility of Tijuana and San Diego sharing a cross-border airport,

Uh... Nope. Never gonna happen.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4815 times:

Oh yeah, there's an idea: build an already-proved infeasible airport for a single event which may very well leave the facility troubled and useless afterward.

Nevertheless, a joint bid is an intriguing idea. I always thought it would be a possibility for the future, but I had been thinking 2020 more than 2016. Nevertheless, anything's possible...

On a side note: Which mayor(s) of San Diego have discussed an Olympic bid? I believe Toni Atkins still presides over the city.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 3):
Nevertheless, a joint bid is an intriguing idea. I always thought it would be a possibility for the future, but I had been thinking 2020 more than 2016. Nevertheless, anything's possible...

Why should the people of San Diego County who are raped financially, medically and educationally on a daily basis by people from Tijuana, who come across legally and illegally - taking up highway capacity they don't pay for, Hospital Emergency Rooms they don't pay for, Classrooms they don't pay for where their children go and refuse to learn English and Construction jobs that hard working Americans can't get - pursue a project that benefits the people of Tijuana over the San Diego County population by virtue of it's location?

[Edited 2005-10-15 01:01:55]

User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1255 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 4):
Why should the people of San Diego County who are raped financially, medically and educationally on a daily basis by people from Tijuana, who come across legally and illegally - taking up highway capacity they don't pay for, Hospital Emergency Rooms they don't pay for, Classrooms they don't pay for and Construction jobs that hard working Americans can't get - pursue a project that benefits the people of Tijuana over the San Diego County population by virtue of it's location?

Yup, why I love this city...  banghead 

Anyway, only two places they can put the airport, in the ocean or at Miramar. The whole county is a city basically. There's El Centro, but way too far of a drive and Riverside is too far north. Nope, this city is stuck with this SAN for the time being.



Every problem has a simple solution; finding the simple solution is the difficult problem.
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 5):
Anyway, only two places they can put the airport, in the ocean or at Miramar.

Move the Marines to Lindbergh Field and move the Commercial flights to Miramar.



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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 4):

This is why we're talking 2020 rather than 2005. The border brings a lot of benefits to the economy despite its headaches, and the latter obviously need time to work out.

Still, no one's saying it isn't far-fetched.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 7):
Still, no one's saying it isn't far-fetched.

It is far-fetched and a transborder airport will never happen. Besides, the Mayor has nothing to do with the airport.

Happy???   Smile

Feel free to educate yourself on the issue:

http://www.san.org/flash/assp/pdf/3....guez%20International%20Airport.pdf

And all the other options:

http://www.san.org/flash/assp/map_load.swf

Miramar is it. It's not of issue of if, but when. Like a 2010-2015 BRAC without Duke Cunningham at the wheel.

[Edited 2005-10-15 02:22:18]

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4646 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 8):
It is far-fetched and a transborder airport will never happen. Besides, the Mayor has nothing to do with the airport.

I was talking about the Olympics, not the airport  Wink.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4620 times:

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 9):
I was talking about the Olympics, not the airport .

That may be too!  Smile


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

The Hank family better stop dreaming about doing things like a join bid for the olympic games. They sure want to do fancy stuff (after all, the Hanks liked to go to Africa for Safari Trips spending the money they got from politics), but there is no money to do it!! And Tijuana is one of the ugliest cities in Mexico along with all border cities, what major attraction do we have there besides the contaminated sea and beaches!!

User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 4):
Why should the people of San Diego County who are raped financially, medically and educationally on a daily basis by people from Tijuana

Well thankfully your opinion is in the minority(as evidenced by this little report http://www.icfdn.org/publications/bl...dborders/14CompAdvtgChallenges.htm ), but is a reality, as there are people on both sides of the border who do not understand that both communities have benefited from each other's prescence, but of course it's easy for some to blame the other party for your woes. I wonder if those pesky Tijuanenses are also responsible for clogging up the traffic in LA?

In any case, I don't think this idea about the airport is not gonna fly, there are just too many issues that are quite a doozie to work out. And the Olympic bid... no comment.  silly 


User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting SR117 (Reply 12):
Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 4):
Why should the people of San Diego County who are raped financially, medically and educationally on a daily basis by people from Tijuana

Well thankfully your opinion is in the minority(as evidenced by this little report http://www.icfdn.org/publications/bl...dborders/14CompAdvtgChallenges.htm ), but is a reality, as there are people on both sides of the border who do not understand that both communities have benefited from each other's prescence, but of course it's easy for some to blame the other party for your woes. I wonder if those pesky Tijuanenses are also responsible for clogging up the traffic in LA?

Do a poll of the people who pay the most taxes in SD County (or LA County for that matter) and you will find that Boeing7E7 is in the majority. I hate to break it to you amigo, but the major tax payers in southern California look at Mexico with suspicion.



Keepin' it real.
User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

Well duh, they're probably stuffy republicans ! Of course I'm sure they'll turn a blind eye when they hire illegal aliens as help, directly OR indirectly.

Fact is while there are obviously some problems caused by the disparities, at the end of the day, those filthy mexicans you are so suspicious of, that clog your roads, eat your babies and cause the cow's milk to go sour pay a lot of sales tax, ask any salesman at Nordstrom about how much revenue they get from trophy wives (and of course not so trophy ones) on shopping sprees and what not. About 3 billion dollars a year are pumped into the SD economy because of those suspicious intruders (in 2001).

And at least I -tried- to keep this discussion on track, but now it's gone totally to the side.

[Edited 2005-10-15 17:11:24]

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 11):
And Tijuana is one of the ugliest cities in Mexico along with all border cities, what major attraction do we have there besides the contaminated sea and beaches!!

You obviously don't work for the Mexican Department of Tourism.  Wink

Personally, I think a cross-border airport is crazy. American immigrations and Customs always seem bass-ackwards to me. Can you imagine if they actually had to coordinate with the Mexican authorities? Or do you run the airport like SIN where every flight is an international flight?



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

As a San Diego resident, I can tell you, this has already been voted down, even with a crazy pipe dream like the 2016 Olympics.

Leaving aside what SOME people in California think of Mexico and Mexicans in general - that's been done to death, and as recently as this posting - the U.S. and Mexico do not have the cross-border relationship that say France, Germany, and Switzerland have with Basel airport. There are just too many variables and unexpected problems that cannot be pre-considered.

Here's the facts: San Diegans, Orange County-ites, and various others will continue to clog L.A. freeways and use LAX for major long-distance flights. San Diego Airport Authority officials will continue to spend $$$$$$ for many years to study alternatives to SAN, never finding one, but having great lunches at taxpayer expense while doing so. Nothing will EVER change unless somehow there is a complete collapse of the structure.

Discussion closed.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Thread starter):
The article only mentions that TIJ is located just a few yards from the borderline.

If TIJ is just yards from the US-Mexico border, why not extend it to the US side and have the San Diego Authorities or some US private group build a US airport terminal terminal there? The Mexicans would have their own airport terminal on their side and San Diego its own terminal on the US side.



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
Move the Marines to Lindbergh Field and move the Commercial flights to Miramar.

Thank you! Some one else agrees with me... IMHO, this is the best and really the only realistic solution.

The only other thing I would suggest is instead of moving the Marines to SAN (which is right next to their recruiting facility and depot), they could stay exclusively at Camp Pendleton or even jointly use Miramar with commercial traffic... But commercial flights must be moved to Miramar, especially if the Olympics ever were held in San Diego...



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4433 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 17):
If TIJ is just yards from the US-Mexico border, why not extend it to the US side and have the San Diego Authorities or some US private group build a US airport terminal terminal there? The Mexicans would have their own airport terminal on their side and San Diego its own terminal on the US side.

Your opinion sounds so logical for anybody from Europe and also for you from Panama. But nearly every USA citizen oppose these plans and consider them as unrealistic. I wonder if there are real hurdles or if that is only beacuse people have a lack of imagination.


User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4378 times:

While on the subject of the Olympics......a joint bid is very unlikely. Finland and Norway tried to do it with the Helsinki bid for 2006. With rumors of Chicago, NYC, Washington DC, Philadelphia, Houston, San Francisco, and Los Angeles bidding for 2016 San Diego will have some serious competition if they want to host the Olympics.

I tend to agree with everyone else that the joint airport between Tijuana and San Diego is really far fetched. Miramar is the best site.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting SR117 (Reply 12):
Well thankfully your opinion is in the minority(as evidenced by this little report http://www.icfdn.org/publications/bl...dborders/14CompAdvtgChallenges.htm ), but is a reality, as there are people on both sides of the border who do not understand that both communities have benefited from each other's prescence, but of course it's easy for some to blame the other party for your woes. I wonder if those pesky Tijuanenses are also responsible for clogging up the traffic in LA?

Having grown up in San Diego and spent the majority of my adult life there, I'm pretty damn sure I know what I'm talking about. I only left two years ago. One only has to ask a Teacher, Commuter or Doctor in San Diego about the rest. And people wonder why we left. Please...

Quoting San747 (Reply 18):
Thank you! Some one else agrees with me... IMHO, this is the best and really the only realistic solution.

Make that three....


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

Dreams! The only possible solution for SAN is Miramar UNLESS, citizens in SAN accept that the best thing to do is to invest at TIJ airport and next to it on the US border built a new terminal with runways! Making easy to connect to all US/Europe for mexicans and on the other side to all Mexico!!

I'm sure TIJ people is ready for that but I'm sure it wouldn't be well accepted by SAN. They should learn a little bit of European culture with shared borders and more when necessary!

ghost77 APM



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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

First of all, the topic has been in discussion since I was a little boy, and I can honestly say that its never going to happen because there's just way too many differences between both parties.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 4):
Why should the people of San Diego County who are raped financially, medically and educationally on a daily basis by people from Tijuana, who come across legally and illegally - taking up highway capacity they don't pay for, Hospital Emergency Rooms they don't pay for, Classrooms they don't pay for where their children go and refuse to learn English and Construction jobs that hard working Americans can't get - pursue a project that benefits the people of Tijuana over the San Diego County population by virtue of it's location?


I can only agree with you on the Medical benefits part. I cannot agree with you on the "they don't pay for their children go and refuse to learn English" because you are absolutely lying your butt off. This is absolutely false! If you are referring to bilingual education, let me remind you that this is not practiced anymore since the mid-90s, so it is not a valid argument to point to in this day in age. I also have friends who are Doctors, Nurses, and Teachers--first generation sons/daughters of Mexican Immigrants--what will they tell me?

It is not the children's fault that the California education system is in a poor state due to politics, and it is not their fault that oftentimes their parents are ignorant. If you were to deny education to all of these kids because your simple justification is that the numbers don’t add up, then this wouldn’t be the world’s superpower, would it? This would be Zimbabwe.

Don’t sound like a hypocrite about the “hard working American can’t get construction jobs” story. We are not in the times of the great-depression and today’s average American would never EVER consider or be able to accomplish a hard labor intensive job like many of these people accept and for what they get paid for.

I am a son of these people and I can tell you that if my people weren’t worthy of being in this land then we also wouldn’t be worthy of spilling so much of our blood in the deserts of Ali Baba fighting a very questionable cause for OUR flag, the RED, WHITE, and BLUE; because our ignorant leader (or so it might seem) that is the representative of your ideologies has blatantly made up this story to protect this land. Was this not worth all the investment, time, and effort of every single goddammed penny taken from your taxes and invested in us really worth it?

If you really want to use the word Rape and taxes in one sentence, turn your attention to the war in Iraq and analyze who’s really using your taxes to rape who…

On the other, because I am an American first and foremost with the ability to see right from wrong, I do agree with that something can be done about the situation because we cannot be the solution to all Mexico’s problems. I don’t object to building a wall on the border, but I’m not going to be a hypocrite and use the excuse that we’re doing it on grounds of national security reasons for Mexicans are not terrorist. Mexicans would never even think of making a bomb and detonating it to kill Americans. They didn't do it when you took over their land; they're not going to do it now.

LatinPlane


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 561 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

[quote=Trvlr,reply=3]Nevertheless, a joint bid is an intriguing idea. I always thought it would be a possibility for the future, but I had been thinking 2020 more than 2016. Nevertheless, anything's possible...

A joint bid would be really interesting. However, San Diego isnt even a front runner for hosting 2016 (Chicago, Toronto, & Jo'burg or Capetown are). I highly doubt this sort of joint bid is possible. The US and Mexico would have to change bordre procedures to make things run more smoothly, and the US will be pretty reluctant to go lenient during the Olympics.


A joint airport between two international cities... what a foolish idea.


25 XA744 : .... Perhaps there are not two countries in this world, sharing a common border, that are so profoundly different from each other like Mexico and the
26 Oakjam : Joint Airport in TIJ for SD community would be a nice thing. But it sounds like something that would never happen. As for the Olympic bid for San Dieg
27 DCAYOW : Size has never been a consideration in the granting of the Olympic Games -- Ever heard of the games in Helsinki and Sydney ??? San Diego / TJ has a c
28 Oakjam : The Olympic bid by both joint cities of course will not happen. If LAX is out of capacity see Palmdale open up as another LA regional airport (With lo
29 N1120A : And I am sure you are saying that with a mouthful of strawberries washed down with a nice glass of orange juice you racist fool. You know, I hope you
30 N1120A : ONT's new terminal complex was built with a huge space between the 2 terminals that will allow LAWA to easily expand once ONT reaches capacity. The 2
31 Post contains images Falcon84 : Ah yes, the Ugly American personofied. The POOR AMERICANS! Having to put up with those arrogant, well-off Mexicans. Listening to Boeing7E7, that's wh
32 Nordair : Boeing7E7, be Christlike!
33 Adam T. : I wouldn't be dissing San Diego and praising SF's bid quite yet. When looking at the 2012 bid's from a techincal point of view, Houston, LA, and NYC
34 Boeing7E7 : You must have been bored this post being over a week old. All three of you have a serious lack of understanding of the problem. If pointing out the o
35 AirxLiban : Besides all that we just had the Olymipcs in Los Angeles in 1984, so it would be nice to choose another venue other than So Cal.
36 N1120A : I was born and raised in California, educated in its public schools from elementary school all the way through my B.A., have used the freeways that a
37 Boeing7E7 : Born and raised in San Diego and the issue was quite apparent.
38 Falcon84 : Yes, we know, the problem, as you see it, is Mexicans daring to come to the U.S. to upset your nice, happy, well-off middle-class existence. How dare
39 Post contains images N1120A : Actually, how dare those people try and live the same existence and provide that for their families I will never understand how some people act like
40 AirxLiban : True. But Atlanta had it just in 1996.
41 N1120A : And Salt Lake City in 2002, and we know what happened there hurt future US causes for a while. Still, California is a big market that can absorb an O
42 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = Hahaha ... as I have learned to say ... isn't this the perfect time to say "NO MAMES GUEY" ? = Hahaha ... excellently said! -A.
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