Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3727 posts, RR: 25 Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2138 times:
As many here know already know, KLM plans to replace it's 4x weekly 767-300 service to IAH with a PrivatAir 738BBJ at the end of the month. So my question is, will these plane(s) be painted in the KL livery or will they maintain their current PrivatAir colors? As far as I know, (please correct me if I am wrong) this is PrivaAir's first contract with a mainline int'l carrier, thus I was wondering if like World Airways has done in the past with carriers like Malaysian, Garuda, Aer Lingus and others, allow their A/C to be painted in the contracting operator's livery.
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7598 posts, RR: 40 Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2122 times:
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter): As far as I know, (please correct me if I am wrong) this is PrivaAir's first contract with a mainline int'l carrier
PrivateAir does several flights a week on LH's behalf.
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter): So my question is, will these plane(s) be painted in the KL livery or will they maintain their current PrivatAir colors?
I would assume that they would reamain in PrivatAir's colors, just as they do for the LH flights.
AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2125 times:
They will remain in PrivatAir's colors just like they do for Swiss and Lufthansa
PrivatAir flies for Swiss on the GVA-EWR-GVA route, as well as for Lufthansa from DUS to EWR and ORD, making this PrivatAir's third contact with a mainline airline.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3727 posts, RR: 25 Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2103 times:
ANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3244 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2027 times:
Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2): PrivatAir flies for Swiss on the GVA-EWR-GVA route
The flight operates ZRH-EWR, not GVA-EWR.
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Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2005 times:
Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2): as well as for Lufthansa from DUS to EWR and ORD
And let's not forget the other LH/PrivatAir route... MUC-EWR.
But regarding that AMS-IAH-Route - I thought I had read that they're adding the PrivatAir flight, not completely replacing their own flight with it: will this plane be operated in a C/Y layout (like AF's Dedicate services) or will it be C-only?
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3131 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
Quoting Leskova (Reply 5): But regarding that AMS-IAH-Route - I thought I had read that they're adding the PrivatAir flight, not completely replacing their own flight with it: will this plane be operated in a C/Y layout (like AF's Dedicate services) or will it be C-only?
I can see your confusion
Currently, KL operates the following flights AMS-IAH:
KL 661, 7x weekly 747-400M
KL 663, 4x weekly 767-300ER
The privatair flight will be the KL 663 flight, so the new situation will be:
KL 661, 7x weekly 747-400M
KL 663, 6x weekly 737 BBJ
The BBJ flight will have 48 seats based on the old WBC-seat as featured in the 747 and MD-11. The 747-flight will be just like it was, with plenty of Y-seats.
It is already stated that if this service turns out to be a success, they will also initiate additional BBJ-service to ORD, New York and IAD. Rumours suggest that, in this case KL will operate all flights with their own metal, to be purchased brand new at Boeing.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1956 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 6): The privatair flight will be the KL 663 flight, so the new situation will be:
KL 661, 7x weekly 747-400M
KL 663, 6x weekly 737 BBJ
Thank you, Joost, that was precisely what I was looking for - I wasn't aware that KL already has two flights (even if not two daily flights) to IAH... do Shell, Exxon & Co really produce that much traffic on the route?
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3131 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1927 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 6): The BBJ flight will have 48 seats
Quoting MauriceB (Reply 7): he plane will receive about 40 KL business class seats
Haha our average numbers turns out to be right. From privatair.ch:
Quote: Business aviation specialist PrivatAir will operate a brand new 44 seat Boeing Business Jet (737-700 IGW) aircraft on behalf of KLM Royal Dutch Airlines from 30th October 2005 onwards.
Quoting Leskova (Reply 8): I wasn't aware that KL already has two flights (even if not two daily flights) to IAH... do Shell, Exxon & Co really produce that much traffic on the route?
Apparently And added to these flights, also CO flies the route heavily. Currently, they are flying:
CO 47, 7x weekly 764
CO 59, 3x weekly 762
The CO 59 flight will be removed from the schedule eff Nov. 01, but the daily CO 47 will remain. It is not very strange that CO cuts on AMS flights since they are adding more and more services to Europe from EWR, so passengers who traveled IAH-AMS-HAM before, (the AMS-HAM part codeshared on KL) will now be routed IAH-EWR-HAM, all on CO metal.
Both airports are of course skyteam hubs and many codeshares are beyond both, including important links like AMS-ACC, AMS-LOS, AMS-Middle east, etc.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1865 times:
Quoting PPSMA (Reply 10): Anyone can tell what the flight time is
This is what I just took out of Sabre:
10NOV FLT SEGMENT DPTR ARVL MEALS EQP ELPD MILES SM
2 KL* 663 AMS IAH 1425 1845 DS/DS/DS 737 11.20 5011 N
ARR-TERMINAL D INTERNATIONAL
*AMS-IAH OPERATED BY PRIVATAIR BUSINESS JET FOR KLM
11NOV FLT SEGMENT DPTR ARVL MEALS EQP ELPD MILES SM
2 KL* 664 IAH AMS 2015 1235 ‡ DB/DB/DB 737 9.20 5011 N
DEP-TERMINAL D INTERNATIONAL
*IAH-AMS OPERATED BY PRIVATAIR BUSINESS JET FOR KLM
Quoting PPSMA (Reply 10): and if PrivatAir´s BBJ (or any other BBJ for that matter) can REALLY offer that kind of range?
I'm quite confident that KLM and PrivatAir will have looked into that question before planning and introducing the flight - so I'll just say: yes.
COFreqFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 397 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1826 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 9): Both airports are of course skyteam hubs and many codeshares are beyond both, including important links like AMS-ACC, AMS-LOS, AMS-Middle east, etc.
Interesting question, will/would/might CO codeshare onto KL663??
By the current US government allowance, CO is not allowed to codeshare on KLM-flights between the hubs (transatantic flights), they can only codeshare beyond the hubs. The only airline that is granted antitrust immunity with KLM is, of course, NWA. But KL and CO are effectively competing with each other on both AMS-IAH and AMS-EWR, (just like KL competes with DL on AMS-JFK and AMS-ATL); beyond the hubs they are each others best friends
MH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1633 posts, RR: 33 Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1703 times:
Quoting Leskova (Reply 11): I'm quite confident that KLM and PrivatAir will have looked into that question before planning and introducing the flight - so I'll just say: yes.
If, due to strong headwinds or different routings related to weather, a fuel-stop at BOS will be planned (I was told by someone with KLM)
Lamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 23 Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1517 times:
For anybody who's interested and living in The Netherlands, tomorrow Sunday KL CEO van Wijk will be interviewed on television. RTL7, 12.15, Smart Traveller.
Topics are the PrivatAir lease, growing market China and hub Schiphol among others.
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