Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 3264 times:
These guys started out with a unionized "mainline" carrier and a "commuter" sub that they added later. They apparently tried to boot the union pilots by switching the flying to the sub, which is why Pan Am is now "Boston and Maine", and the "connection" is flying 727s. So they only have 3 727s on the certificate of the entity that is doing the flying. With the demise of Transmeridian, they've kept those 3 aircraft pretty busy in the last several weeks, and apparently think that if they could add some of the (former) Pan Am 727s to the B&M certificate, then they'd be able to pick up even more business.
Obviously, the pissed-off pilot's union is trying everything it can to screw with them, hence the complaints about fitness and stuff. For all I know, the complaints are deserved, but the pilot's union is definitely all over them.
Georgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 553 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3100 times:
Well actually they have said they are indefinitely suspending service from Portsmouth. They blamed rising fuel costs and low advanced bookings. Gee wouldn't they have been wiser to make 737-300's the workhorse of their fleet? Well done for ruining a great aviation name!
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3918 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
At least a real airline, Allegiant, will be flying out of PSM starting later this year. The message should be 'Welcome Allegiant and good riddance Pan Am.' Like most airlines, the workers are fine & upstanding people; it's the suits--in this case Railroad suits masquerading as airline suits--have caused all the bad press the carrier has suffered. Press that has been richly deserved.
Tbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2997 times:
It's really too bad the Pan Am name has been dragged through the mud once again. Juan Trippe's pride and joy is becoming like the Braniff rolling failure. Why do such names have to cycle down through poor management to become synonymous with failure? Is there something endemic in the Airline industry to set these great airlines up for failure?
People often rise to positions above their qualifications and, afraid to ask for assistance, they ruin everything for everyone else. A sad commentary on our business practices today. And it's everywhere in all industries. Just one man's opinion. May Pan Am rest in peace again (and again, and again)....
Georgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 553 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2950 times:
RIP PAN AM! Hopefully if the so called management has a moment of lucid thought they will seek out someone more qualified to own the venerable Pan AM name and they restore it as a name respected in aviation! Just my hope. I hate to think everyones last image was this ridiculous reincarnation of a proud old airline pioneer. May Juan Trippe also find peace when it ends.
IRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1072 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2651 times:
Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 2): Well actually they have said they are indefinitely suspending service from Portsmouth. They blamed rising fuel costs and low advanced bookings. Gee wouldn't they have been wiser to make 737-300's the workhorse of their fleet? Well done for ruining a great aviation name!
They might also want to improve their website a little bit. It is a mess. Most LCC's or smaller airlines use the web as an equalizer but Pan Am's booking engine is terrible and they are not listed on any major sites either...which doesn't help.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 17287 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2530 times:
Quoting linked article (Thread starter): Allegiant, which services what it considers to be underutilized markets, said it plans to run one round trip four days a week (Monday, Thursday, Friday, and Sunday) on 150-seat McDonnell Douglass 800 series jets.
Once again, the media screws up an a/c type. An MD-800 must be a pretty long T-tailed a/c.........
This version of Pan Am is a joke and I hope they do go belly up. Perhaps another airline should take up the name and do it some justice.
Nkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2591 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2446 times:
If I'm not mistaken, although I can be... I believe Boston-Maine is running TTN-BED-PSM... they took over the old Shuttle America route out of Trenton. The TTN-BED did very well for SA in the Saabs, and was doing decent on BMA last I heard (which was about a year ago). However, it would not surprise me if they pulled the plug on that too.
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7419 posts, RR: 25 Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2367 times:
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 18): Can BED be considered a BOS alternative?, and PSM a MHT alternative?, not thatd it need one....
Sadly, BED has had major NIMBY issues ever since the original Shuttle America (flying Dash8s) started flights there many years ago. They went absolutely ballistic when USx (pre-Shuttle America aquisition) considered PHL-BED flights... US originally backed off but ultimately got in when they bought Shuttle America in 2001-2002. One could only imagine what would happen if WN ever sought out BED.
I'm sure the NIMBYs at Bedford & Lexington would love to see the Clipper Connection die as well. Most of the NIMBY complainers are the newer yuppie residents that probably paid a fortune to buy the real estate. The older residents will tell you that things were more noisier when BED was still a fully-operational Air Force Base.
What really killed BED in terms of scheduled service (besides US taking over Shuttle America) was WN coming to MHT and LCCs like FL and later B6 setting up shop in BOS. The BED advantage greatly eroded as a result.
"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981