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Emirates And AC To Fly YYZ-DXB!  
User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8370 times:

Big news out of Toronto this week! According to YYZNews.com, Emirates Airlines plans to begin operation DXB-YYZ-DXB 3x weekly commencing as early as April 2006 using A340-500! Air Canada may also start operation on this route and then continuing on to Pakistan...the report also states that Emirates will eventually like to add YUL and YVR in the future using A340-500 also. CANT WAIT TO SEE THEM IN YYZ!!!!!

Regards,
Ric MPYYZ

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User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8333 times:

Thats awseome. I hope to take them to cairo from yyz sometime soon then.

YUL makes sense with its large arab community, but could yvr rlly sustain a flight to dubai and its onward connections? I doubt ppl from yvr are going to fly emirates to go to asia or australia because of the incredible detour it would be. So it would be relying on vancouver traffic to dubai and surrounding middle east region, which i didnt think was very high.


User currently offlineDetroiter From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8273 times:

Hummm,

Well, EK had the 3x right long time ago but they said they wont fly to YYZ unless they have the daily right. I wonder what made them change their mind? Maybe the arrival or EY?

But it will be a very smart move from AC if they fly to UAE and Pakistan. And I am sure they will be full all the way.

Can you kindly send us a link of the article?


Thanks


User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8264 times:

heres the link

http://www.yyznews.com/Oct.html


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4864 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8212 times:

Is this some kind of EK/AC codeshare to circumvent the bilateral agreement between the UAE and Canada allowing only one carrier from each country to operate in the other? I was under the impression that Eithad had already been OKed to fly AUH BRU YYZ. Any info would be great because I'f love to avoid flying to JFK to get to DXB.

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8146 times:

Technically EK had the 3x weekly before and one of the top managers refused it and insisted on a daily... well when EY jumped on the 3x weekly slot, Emirates lost them. This was a very big managerial flop and that top manager at EK was sacked by the chairman of EK himself!!! It was a big scandal at EK but it was kept hush hush....

I think that same manager also was the cause of EK losing the slots at Capetown as well!!!

So I believe, somehow AC made a special agreement with EK to allow them to fly to Canada. Could it be that AC got 5th Freedom to Pakistan?

Regards
EK 156


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7843 times:

Hello all

Here's a link to AC future route and destinations. http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/in...ents/CIBC_Frontenac_conference.pdf Its very interesting to see AC flying to the middle east. But in order for AC to fly there they need more aircrafts. Lets hope the pilot situations gets resolved so AC can place a huge boeing orders again.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7768 times:

The A340-500 has already visited YUL on a diversion from JFK. It looks quiet nice in that winter Canadian light!


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User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

This will be a very interesting battle between AC, PK, and EK.....with PK only going to Pakistan only 2x/weekly (but I think they do well on their YYZ-MAN routes also)....

AC DEFINITELY needs those planes to compete, especially with EK, as I see PK being only a niche player on that route...



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7606 times:

PK cannot accept local traffic on YYZMAN.

User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7587 times:

Also looks like AC is eyeing Tehran


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4750 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7546 times:

AC would probably be flying the A 343 to DXB nonstop and I would prefer it if they extended the flight to LHE and not KHI as they would be killed in KHI by EK-QR-GF etc.

The majority of Pakistani immigrants in Canada hail from the LHE/Punjab region where there are fewer flight options per week to the West (from LHE Im refering to) compared to KHI due to the latter having a liberal open skies policy.

A 3 weekly A 343 YYZ-DXB-LHE-DXB-YYZ would make a lot of $$$ for AC + the 5th freedom traffic on the DXB-LHE-DXB route is vvv high yielding.


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7365 times:

Interestingly enough EY had a huge centerfold advert in the yesterday's (Oct. 15th) Toronto Star newspaper promoting their new service effective Oct. 31st. EY will become the 50th carrier operating their own metal into YYZ. Part of the verbage on the ad also mentioned the excellent connections to BOM and DEL.

I know EK has been dying to get into YYZ for quite some time. However, I would imagine that the configuration of the A345s operating to YYZ would be different than those going to JFK. IMO I cannot imagine as large a premium market out of YYZ. EK has also expressed interest in flying the A380 into YYZ...

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7301 times:

I'm quite sure the Pakistanis are very restrictive in granting traffic rights to LHE/ISB, while KHI is basiclly a free-for-all. If AC can get rights to LHE they should go for it.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 12):
Interestingly enough EY had a huge centerfold advert in the yesterday's (Oct. 15th) Toronto Star newspaper promoting their new service effective Oct. 31st.

Globe and Mail also. Very short of details though. More like a brand familiarization ad.

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 12):
EK has also expressed interest in flying the A380 into YYZ...

With 43 A380's on order, I would imagine the entire EK network will be seeing the 380.  Smile

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 11):
A 3 weekly A 343 YYZ-DXB-LHE-DXB-YYZ would make a lot of $$$ for AC

Wishful thinking perhaps. Seriously, I can't see AC adding Pakistan at all. All Pakistani cities remain relatively unstable and unsafe for Westerners. I can see the AC unions having issues with flight crew safety on layovers.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):

With 43 A380's on order, I would imagine the entire EK network will be seeing the 380.

not really, I would think a maximum of fifteen routes could be supported with that number of passenger A380 aircraft flying longhaul. Most routes don't fit neatly into a 24 hour schedule, and especially not one as complex to cater and load/offload as an A380.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7215 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 9):
Also looks like AC is eyeing Tehran

Let's what the US Gov't has to say about that one...

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 11):
A 3 weekly A 343 YYZ-DXB-LHE-DXB-YYZ would make a lot of $$$ for AC + the 5th freedom traffic on the DXB-LHE-DXB route is vvv high yielding.

Don't think the A343 can make it. It would have to be A345.



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 15):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 14):

With 43 A380's on order, I would imagine the entire EK network will be seeing the 380.

not really, I would think a maximum of fifteen routes could be supported with that number of passenger A380 aircraft flying longhaul. Most routes don't fit neatly into a 24 hour schedule, and especially not one as complex to cater and load/offload as an A380.

I agree with you Whitehatter!  Smile I was being facetious. I'm still stunned and baffled by the EK order for 43 (or is 45?) A380's.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7208 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 16):
Let's what the US Gov't has to say about that one...

Just like BEY...



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6824 times:

Well, I hope to take emirates to toronto next year then. Only if they offer a reasonable price though, any idea as to what is the pricing on this route by EY and what could EK pricing be like?


The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6592 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 16):
Don't think the A343 can make it. It would have to be A345.

I think it could... it's not that far... "just" 11103 km.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6481 times:

Quoting A360 (Reply 20):
I think it could... it's not that far... "just" 11103 km.

So that is a 6000nm route, the A343 has a 6700nm range.

The only reason why I suggested that doesn't the A345 would be the preferable choice of plane for the route was because I was under the impression that MH's 772ERs faced restrictions on the westbound route and I thought that the 772ER had a 7-something thousand nm range.

But now that I look again it seems like MH have the lower MTOW versions which are only capable of 6knm. Can anyone confirm or am I just talking out of my @$$?



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

Right now this is a dubious report. There is no provision in the existing Canada-UAE bilateral for code-sharing between Dubai and Pakistan, and no provision in the Canada-Pakistan bilateral for code-sharing by a Canadian carrier between Dubai and Pakistan. So two bilaterals will have to be amended for this to become reality. Air Canada doesn't have a spare 343 that I am aware of and is commited to launching Toronto-Shanghai next summer which will require onem if not two more 343s.

Not saying it isn't possible, EK and AC might have agreed on how to proceed "if" and "when" all the necessary prerequisites are met, but until you hear of new bilaterals and growth AC lift for 2006, this is all so premature.

[Edited 2005-10-17 01:37:35]

[Edited 2005-10-17 01:42:50]

User currently offlineAC777LR From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 487 posts, RR: 41
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5525 times:

Does AC have the planes to free up for this route?


Member since April 2000
User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5261 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 17):
I'm still stunned and baffled by the EK order for 43 (or is 45?) A380's.

It seems like EK is trying to compete with LHR by turing DXB into a "Crossroads of the World." Anyone think this is possible. Don't forget, add another +20 777s and + 330/340s still to come into the mix.


25 PIA777 : Not a bad idea with all the Pakistanis there. I wonder what took them so long. PIA777
26 Lnglive1011yyz : While doing a call on a customer at Yonge & Sheppard, I walked into my customers building, to see an office held by Emirates. The office looked like a
27 Sebring : I have this right from the horse's mouth The story is bogus. At best it is premature and highly speculative While AC is interested in Dubai, there are
28 AirbusfanYYZ : Sebring, I suspected as much on the AC side, they have much more pressing needs anyway. Obviously the bilateral needs to be reworked for EK to service
29 YOWza : Boeing brought a 773 in EK colours to YUL in the last few months too and it blended right in. Source? An ayatollah perhaps? As far as EK firing up th
30 AC7E7 : Forget your obsession with the U.S. ... Canadian-Iranian relations are at a low point right now. There is no way the Canadian government will allow A
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