HunUtazo From United States, joined Jul 2005, 235 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3635 times:
Has anyone heard if CAL will be going to Eastern Europe anytime soon? Would it be EWR-BUD and what equipment would they use if this is true? How about ORD-BUD?
IADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3592 times:
I am sure that ORD-WAW on either UA or AA would come before ORD-BUD. In fact, due to large Polish community in Chicago, I am a bit surprised that neither AA orr UA has started that service.
Doubtful CO would do this particular route as they do not operate a transatlantic base from ORD. If anyone links ORD with BUD, it would be AA or UA and it's doubful they would launch this route soon either.
Malev is the only contender for ORD-BUD and IIRC they are joining oneworld so expect an AA code-share if it were to happen.
Kiwiandrew From Mauritius, joined Jun 2005, 5447 posts, RR: 17 Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3575 times:
Quoting IADLHR (Reply 2): I am sure that ORD-WAW on either UA or AA would come before ORD-BUD. In fact, due to large Polish community in Chicago, I am a bit surprised that neither AA orr UA has started that service.
Since fellow *A member LO already operates on the ORD-WAW route it would seem to make more sense for UA to codeshare on LO metal ( if they don't already ) than to start up their own service . Unfortunately large ethnic populations do not always make for great yields - the demand may be there but not necessarily at fare levels which make sense for the airlines .
AA , of course , used to codeshare on LO before the latter entered *A ( at one time LO looked like they might be heading towards OW with codeshares with AA and BA )
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
HunUtazo From United States, joined Jul 2005, 235 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3569 times:
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3): Doubtful CO would do this particular route as they do not operate a transatlantic base from ORD. If anyone links ORD with BUD, it would be AA or UA and it's doubful they would launch this route soon either.
After Continental absorbs ual in 2006, perhaps ORD-BUD would be possible.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 25665 posts, RR: 75 Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3560 times:
There will be a major new airline announcing Budapest in the near future, though I don't think it is Continental. I have been hearing CO might go to PRG soon.
Checo77 From Czech Republic, joined Oct 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3474 times:
I think there is more space for a EWR-PRG flight than EWR-BUD. Specially now when CSA misteriously droped their PRG-EWR-PRG route...
Nothing against BUD, but I think that PRG, WAW and SVO are much stronger markets than BUD in Central and Eastern Europe.
Regads,
Adam
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 61 Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3411 times:
CO will annouce additional European destinations for the Summer 2006 timetable in the coming months, but (from what I have heard) Budapest is not on CO's list of new cities.
The eastern European cities that CO is most interested in are (1) Prague: in order to work more closely with SkyTeam partner CSA and gain connections to regional destinations out of PRG and also because Prague is establishing itself as a major destination, and (2) Vienna: a major destination with limited transatlantic service and little competiton from other US carriers (CO likes that!)........the big question is aircraft allocation, CO would like to operate these routes with the 757-200Winglet but the range is very, very tight. Operating a hub at EWR in crowded NYC air space does have limitations - there are lots of delays/holds to contend with and EWR has had its share of weather related backups and ATC holds in recent months. Operating the 752W on the VIE and PRG routes to EWR may result in more than an acceptable number of diversions to Gander when conditions in the EWR area are non-optimal.
Both routes would probaby require the 762 - which are in short supply over at CO especially with the IAH-EZE route just about definite and the EWR-DME route expected to be annouced.
Myszek From Poland, joined Aug 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3264 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 4): Since fellow *A member LO already operates on the ORD-WAW route it would seem to make more sense for UA to codeshare on LO metal ( if they don't already ) than to start up their own service . Unfortunately large ethnic populations do not always make for great yields - the demand may be there but not necessarily at fare levels which make sense for the airlines .
AA , of course , used to codeshare on LO before the latter entered *A ( at one time LO looked like they might be heading towards OW with codeshares with AA and BA )
UA does code share on all LO flights to/from US.
LO continued code share with AA for a while after they joined *A (until their agreement expired, I guess). Then they switched to code share with UA.
Panamair From United States, joined Oct 2001, 3532 posts, RR: 26 Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6): There will be a major new airline announcing Budapest in the near future, though I don't think it is Continental. I have been hearing CO might go to PRG soon.
Gee, let me take one big guess: could it possibly be..... Delta?? JFK-BUD beginning next spring/summer...
Flashmeister From United States, joined Apr 2000, 2572 posts, RR: 11 Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3047 times:
Either JFK-BUD or ATL-BUD on DL...
I flew PDX-ATL-CDG-BUD and back in September, and I was pretty surprised to see how many folks from our ATL-CDG flight ended up on our CDG-BUD leg. perhaps not daily, but they could sustain it. And the newly-remodeled terminal at BUD is sooo nice... would be nice to bypass the pit at CDG any day.
Flashmeister From United States, joined Apr 2000, 2572 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3001 times:
JFK-BUD makes the most sense, ATL-BUD makes a lot of sense for connection opportunities in the DL network. Perhaps ORD for connection opportunities as well, but I don't see CLE/DEN/IAH/LAX/SFO/SEA/HNL/GUM working out as well.
Any news on Continental transatlantic routes which may get aircraft upgrades/downgrades or more frequencies?
The news that I have been hearing is that out of EWR, we may see the following happen:
-LGW may operate with 1 772 and 2 752s per day.
-CDG may operate with 1 772 and 1 752 per day - with a third 752 on certain days of the week.
-SNN/DUB may operate with 3 752s per day - one to DUB, one to SNN and the third doing a triangle routing EWR-DUB-SNN-EWR.
- MAD may go from 1 777 per day to 1 767 (dont know which series) and 1 752 per day.
- BRU mau go from 1 764 per day to 1 767 (likely a 762) and 1 752 per day.
- AMS will get its second flight back for the summer, again think 752.
- MAN will likely see 1 764 plus 1 752 per day for the summer.
Its very early, some, all or none of the above could happen and much depends on the start date for IAH-EZE and if EWR-DME is launched in time for the summer 2006 schedule (rumors indicate that both will be operating by 01 June).
There also seems to be some hestitation of using the 752 on the EWR-CDG and EWR-LGW routes.....some 752 segments were even loaded onto the CO schedule a while ago and then quickly revised to the 762, so nothing is definite.
Summer 2006 is still a long way off - these are rumors and discussions coming from very good and rather well placed sources, but they are rumors nonetheless. Remember, CO has still not finalized schedules and aircraft allocations beyond 14 December (which is why so rare to find flights listed as operating with the 739 or 753......738s and 757s are listed in many cases only as "place holders" on some schedules.)
Runway23 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 1739 posts, RR: 51 Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2857 times:
Thanks for the list Dutchjet. I have heard from various sources that GVA may be a contender for a 764 service next summer, though I guess as you say it is still too early to tell.
LACA773 From United States, joined Nov 2004, 1963 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2411 times:
I could see DL picking up JFK and or ATL-BUD. They once code-shared with Malev but that went away. Anybody know why that happened? How is Malev doing on their BUD-JFK-BUD flights?
LXsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 2 Reply 25, posted (4 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2380 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 21):
-LGW may operate with 1 772 and 2 752s per day.
-CDG may operate with 1 772 and 1 752 per day - with a third 752 on certain days of the week.
-SNN/DUB may operate with 3 752s per day - one to DUB, one to SNN and the third doing a triangle routing EWR-DUB-SNN-EWR.
- MAD may go from 1 777 per day to 1 767 (dont know which series) and 1 752 per day.
- BRU mau go from 1 764 per day to 1 767 (likely a 762) and 1 752 per day.
- AMS will get its second flight back for the summer, again think 752.
- MAN will likely see 1 764 plus 1 752 per day for the summer.
And to FCO? I suppose you can't downgrade it as aircraft equipment since the 752's range is not enough to operate this route.
(maybe the 752 it's ok till to MXP , ZRH , GVA...etc)
26 LOT767SP-LPA: I heard that Malev withdraw its two B767 very soon together with CRJ200 and concentrate just on European market. So I think that DL or CO is very poss
27 Dean: They also want to operate JFK, YYZ, BKK routes after the B762 withdraw. They are considerating to lease 3 B763 (for example from HU, DL). And they al
28 LACA773: Dean, Gosh. That's a very good question. I would think that DL would give MV more codeshare oportunities than NW could. I'd like to see DL or CO star
29 Kiwiandrew: if by MV you mean MA ( Malev ) then don't forget that they have started the process for joining oneworld in which case you can expect them to form a
30 LACA773: KiwiDrew, thanks for correcting me. In regards to the alliance and codeshares, I was thinking of a full merger vs, just a frequent flyer alliance. LA
31 Kiwiandrew: hi LACA773 I think they would probably have to be in an alliance for a while and improve their performance before anyone would consider merging with
32 Kahala777: Dream On...... Not going to happen. KAHALA777
33 STT757: They need the larger BF cabin for the routes to Switzerland to accommodate all the Pharmaceutical traffic between the two Pharma centers, New Jersey
34 Mbm3: Great point, but given the rumor of adding Basel as a new destination I think CO would be able to accommodate BF travel on 752s. IIRC, the pharma com
35 Airzim: EWR-DME is not going to happen now that EZE has been awarded. They're just simply not enough 767's to go around.
36 Mbm3: I am not sure this is the case. It is still possible to add some 752 frequencies to the UK and Northern Europe in order to free up some additional 76
37 Airzim: They're of course adjustments that can be made to slot in 757's but there are some major drawbacks such as, slot constraints, cargo uplift, corporate
38 Runway23: Remember that GVA still has a lot of traffic due to UN traffic. Geneva also has pharamaceutical company Serono with HQ who if I remember correctly ha
39 Dean: Maybe the B752 also can fly this route (NYC-BUD). Few years ago there was a service between Bratislavia - JFK with a single 752, nonstop. Almost the
40 RJ100: Hi Speaking about the service to Basel I can confirm that intensive talks are going on at this moment. Two weeks ago there was a CO delegation here in
41 STT757: Swiss Air used to fly nonstop Basel-EWR with the A330, that plane was a little too big IMO. CO flying nonstop EWR-Basel to link Novartis's Swiss headq
42 Mbm3: Does anyone think that CO would even consider converting one of their 737s to a BBJ type aircraft? This would be perfect for a handful of routes such
43 STT757: They don't want small fleet types, the 757s are fine.
44 Runway23: Route was operated with Airbus A310 if I remember correctly. Continental could always get into a contract with privatair. Would have the advantage of
45 Connector4you: Malev is on the verge of dropping all its transatlantic routes for good and sell its two 767-200. Main reason heavy loses for the airline. Who ever go
46 SQ7345: Why no routing BSL-GVA-EWR with 767? Or is there a chance to see a 757 converted to all buisness configuration on this route? why not!?
47 RJ100: That's true. The flight was first operated with A-310s, then with A-330s. Business class was always full. They did not fill the eco seats however. Bu
48 STT757: Roche USA is based in Nutely New Jersey (Martha Stewart's hometown), they have 15,000 US employees the largest of which are in New Jersey where they h
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50 Dean: 5 flights / week, operated by 763. It will give good SkyTeam connections for Eastern Europe detinations. (current SkyTeam airlines @ BUD: AF, CSA, AZ
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