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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1880 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Nationwide Airlines of South Africa would phase in two Boeing 747-400 and one B767-200 or B767-300 (dry-lease).

Source: SpeedNews

Where would CE flies with this three aircraft?

At the moment CE flies with this fleet: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.p...tor=AND&airline=CE&al_op=1&start=0

The only long-range aircraft is now at ZRH for maintenance.

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User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Maybe this will be the start of EU ops for them?

http://www.flynationwide.co.za/ (Website offline at the moment. Check later)

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1880 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Is I know they fly three times from Johannesburg to London (LGW) - but I'm not sure.

User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 1):
Maybe this will be the start of EU ops for them?

They already fly LGW but there's been talk of expanding a lot in Europe. Clearly things have gone well so far with their 763 (although I'm just guessing - never been on the route), and with LON-JNB being generally so busy with something like 5 daily 744s already serving JNB from LHR (VS seasonal), perhaps CE acquiring a 744 isn't quite as over-optimistic as it initially sounds.


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 3):

Soz, that's what I meant. I meant expansion in EU.

It would be great to see them expand in the EU more.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

I would love to see Nationwide receive two 747's and see them at LGW!

Would Nationwide ever make the switch to LHR, or are they happy enough at LGW?

I wonder where they would use the other additional a/c, maybe a new service to the US or Asia as well as Europe?

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

I think CE , with the new aircraft , would expand into Germany (probably MUC as they originally intended with the second 763 they were to receive ages ago , but cancelled) and most likely JNB-LOS which they were planning to serve with a 757 they intended to purchase.

Those seem the routes most likely to happen for now.

-SA006



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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Nationwide are happy at LGW.

They serve the same market as LHR (Southern UK) and have great fares with good yeilds.

The also pick up alot of freight out of LGW from the US routes. This freight was previously roaded from LGW to LHR for BA/VS/SA.

Close working with DAS AirCargo, CE has seen alot of Entebbe freight moved to CE from DAS.



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User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Quoting BBJII (Reply 7):
Nationwide are happy at LGW.

They serve the same market as LHR (Southern UK) and have great fares with good yeilds.

The also pick up alot of freight out of LGW from the US routes. This freight was previously roaded from LGW to LHR for BA/VS/SA.

Close working with DAS AirCargo, CE has seen alot of Entebbe freight moved to CE from DAS.

Despite the fact LGW is seen as inferior to LHR in pretty much every way, there is undeniably a great market for CE there. There's a large SA population around South London so getting to LGW isn't a problem for many people.

BBJII, I wasn't aware of the cargo agreements but it sounds like a real winner. I guess if a 744 was introduced on this route this would be a great benefit in terms of cargo (we all know about the 763's cargo capabilities).

So I don't see them moving to LHR - the cost and likelihood of acquiring slots is a big barrier to entry before any other considerations, and fares could only increase, with direct competition from BA, SA & VS. What CE already has to a certain extent is a niche market.

About increasing EU ops - would AMS be a consideration? I'm surprised JNB-AMS isn't a bigger market than it is with Dutch/Afrikaans links etc.


User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2367 times:
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Would a 777-200er be a viable alternative for a 744? I know finding one may be problematic! I think if Nationwide was to expand assuming they could find available aircraft(maybe Delta and their somewhat orphan 7 strong fleet) would be a suitable aircraft for their immediate needs. The 767-300er's would be great if they wanted to do flights within Africa.

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Quoting SA006 (Reply 6):
I think CE , with the new aircraft , would expand into Germany (probably MUC as they originally intended with the second 763 they were to receive ages ago

They wanted to serve MUC ?  eyepopping  You completely surprised me ! Thx for the info ! By flying to MUC they would kick SA´s and LH´s ass who don´t !  dopey 



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User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 9):
Would a 777-200er be a viable alternative for a 744? I know finding one may be problematic! I think if Nationwide was to expand assuming they could find available aircraft(maybe Delta and their somewhat orphan 7 strong fleet) would be a suitable aircraft for their immediate needs.

I wouldn't be surprised if CE are finding that particularly on their LGW route they need some serious capacity, and moreover 744s may be easier and cheaper to acquire at this point in time. If they were to step up to a daily LGW service they'd still only be offering half the capacity of SA or BA to LHR.

If VS can regularly use its 744s on the route whilst up against direct competition from BA and SA in LHR, I would think CE could do the same at LGW with cheaper fares. Incidentally if the LGW route has been so successful for CE then VS might get interested in starting services from LGW...


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Quoting BBJII (Reply 7):
Close working with DAS AirCargo, CE has seen alot of Entebbe freight moved to CE from DAS.

CE does not serve Entebbe. Is it just me who finds something wrong with this statement? Also, if freight going to EBB, why go down to JNB before flying back up?

Quoting A342 (Reply 10):
They wanted to serve MUC ? eyepopping You completely surprised me ! Thx for the info ! By flying to MUC they would kick SA´s and LH´s ass who don´t ! dopey

Was the MUC service announced by that never-flew airline, African Star?


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Also, doubt JNB-LOS for CE, with VK now being in the scene... and it appears that South African will be reducing its flights to just 4x per week as of November, from the current daily.

User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Some months ago their were talks about Nationwide possibly serving CPT-MIA could this hint at that?

or w/ SA leaving ATL will they return to MIA?



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User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 13):

Yes , I beleive the Nigerian goverment has a limit for the number of flights SAA can operate into LOS since their interest lies in their own airlines so it seems CE won't be able to get LOS. But I am pretty sure another destination into Africa would be a very good possibility.

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 14):
Some months ago their were talks about Nationwide possibly serving CPT-MIA could this hint at that?

That is a possibility. But its all a guessing game at the moment.

Quoting A342 (Reply 10):
They wanted to serve MUC ? You completely surprised me ! Thx for the info ! By flying to MUC they would kick SA´s and LH´s ass who don´t !


Yes. It was even rumoured when SAA announced they were to join Star , they would serve MUC but , has never happened.

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 8):
About increasing EU ops - would AMS be a consideration? I'm surprised JNB-AMS isn't a bigger market than it is with Dutch/Afrikaans links etc.

I see more of a market available in Germany than in Holland. KLM would be direct and stiff competition for CE.

-SA006



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