777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12 Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9618 times:
Ok, ok, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I happen to catch Die Hard 2 on TV today. Yes, I know it's but I needed a good aviation inspired laugh today.
Anyway, we all know the obvious gaffs, ie: the Pacific Bell telephone at IAD, the exploding Windsor 114 crash (even though it had barely any fuel), and Richard Thornburg doing his news report from the aft lav, with the phone UPSIDE DOWN!!!!
One new thing I noticed today, and it actually believable was the fact that the 747 that the terrorists were fleeing on was this a/c:
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9348 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9565 times:
Well that was just one of dozens of non reality aviation screw-up's in the movie...
-Sucking in a person has no effect on engine performance....
-There is no dump valve on the engine pylon....
-All those aircraft panicing trying to JUST get into IAD..? they could divert into one of a dozen of airports in the area.
-Using a Zipo to blow up a plane in the air with a fuel trail..?
-An ejection seat in a C-123..?
were do we stop....
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Lemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9510 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1): Using a Zipo to blow up a plane in the air with a fuel trail..?
That was my favorite, personally...the fuel is hard to ignite to begin with, let alone when it's cold, like say lying in a snow-covered runway. That must have been one hell of a scary Zippo. Of course, it was a terrorist Zippo, so maybe that helped.
There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those that don't.
MissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9458 times:
My favourites are usually military ones, like the SAMs in Behind Enemy Lines with a 30 minute endurance, not to mention the fact that after missing the target, they were able to search for it & pick it up again. Whatever!
Yegger From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 69 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9454 times:
Wasn't this the movie where the terrorists were able to turn a "magic dial" in their "control tower" to re-calibrate the ILS to originate at a point a few hundred feet below field elevation, resulting in the plane flying right into the ground???
777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9431 times:
Quoting Yegger (Reply 6): Wasn't this the movie where the terrorists were able to turn a "magic dial" in their "control tower" to re-calibrate the ILS to originate at a point a few hundred feet below field elevation, resulting in the plane flying right into the ground???
Yep, that's the one!
I was amused at the fact that the Northeast L1011, coming from LAX-IAD had enough extra fuel to circle for 90 minutes! Hell, they could have diverted to ORD with that much fuel on board!
My glass is neither 1/2 empty nor 1/2 full, rather, the glass itself is twice as big as it should be.
Leezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 54 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9381 times:
Or how about when they are fighting on the wing at the end, the a/c is supposed to be taxiing/taking off but the engines are not even running - just windmilling in the wind, and if they were taking off how would 2 unsecured human beings be able to stay on the cold slippery wing at speed.
And what about how all those a/c land one behind the other before the runway is even clear and they are all parked up at the end, just like they had been abandoned there !!.
"She Rolls, 45 knots, 90, 135, nose comes up to 20 degrees, she's airborne - She flies, Concorde Flies"
777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9356 times:
Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 9): And what about how all those a/c land one behind the other before the runway is even clear and they are all parked up at the end, just like they had been abandoned there !!.
I have to admit though, that the second plane to land at the end makes a way cool vortex through the smoke!
But, what's with the emergency slide deployment at the very end? No fuel = no fire! Doh!
My glass is neither 1/2 empty nor 1/2 full, rather, the glass itself is twice as big as it should be.
Airfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9345 times:
Why didn't Bruce just jump into an empty plane, get on the radio and tell everyone to land elsewhere. That question just repeated again and again in my head through out the whole movie. The movie writers must think that the general population is completely ignorant about aviation.
Brick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1572 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8977 times:
What a horrible movie, even if you ignore the many airport/aircraft goofs.
I noticed tonight when the L-1011 "landed" they showed its crew tugging on a 4-engine throttle control...
The door the bad guy opened on the 747 to go after Bruce Willis was clearly a set piece. There were no latches on the door.
The "magic dial" was probably the best goof. Wouldn't they actually need to move the ILS towers for that?
During the scene when the terrorists first gain control of the tower and the people in the tower are running around trying to figure out what is going on you can see the city lights clearly in the distance. There was at least 20 miles visibility in a "blizzard".
When the Evergreen 747 blew up it was clearly a model.
Apparently every pilot in the Washington D.C. airspace at the time were complete morons.
Schipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8951 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 21): The movie writers must think that the general population is completely ignorant about aviation.
They -count- on it...
It's a stupid movie people... every movie is MADE-UP! It's called imagination. You think "normal" people have better things to do than worry about general aviation? There is a reason people on this site including myself are called A.nutters!
But it is always nice to read about all the blatant mistakes... so keep them coming
MDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8906 times:
An MP-5 SMG without a blank fireing adaptor won't produce enough chamber pressure to cycle the action. Therefore, you can't just switch magazines to go from blank fireing to live fire.
Oooppss.. that was a non-av flub.
ummm... think quick.... The FAA would have re-routed all inbound flights when IAD went off the air.... and even if you could (good lord how stupid) change and ILS glideslope that easy... the pilots would have noticed the new 13 degree glideslope
25 Bluewave 707: Hollywood has been notorious in exaggerating information, or even blatant lies. It's a movie ... fiction ... dramatic license. Not every director (or
26 Glidepath73: Has somebody more information / photos about the models they have built for the movie? They must have been rather big... Regards, Patrick
27 FBWless: I believe that the EV 747 used in the movie was the same one that lost an engine after takeoff. Was it the same engine that the bad guy supposedly was
28 Doona: Nope, it was a two engined prop, the C-123 Provider. Flying one of those from somewhere in Latin America must have been pushing the envelope of it's
29 Swisskloten: I actually think DH 2 should be classified as a comedy. You have no idea how many times I lmao through it! Actually, the silliest part was where the p
30 Jran225: Hey guys, yes, the movie is full to the brim with these goofs, but all in all it's still pretty enjoyable! I did have one question though: Did Northea
31 777DadandJr: Maybe the 4th throttle control was for the APU! Russ
32 Jush: i still think it is a good movie. Because no action movie is anything like reality i want it to be unrealistic and as action as it can get. Regards ju
33 Lewis: What I didn't understand in the movie is why all the aircraft were circling around an airport with no fuel instead of taking the initiative to land in
34 BlueSky1976: Actually, the fuel fumes are more explosive than the fuel itself. Remember TWA Flight 800?
35 OzarkD9S: Funny this thread should be here, I caught the last few minutes of it on TV last night...aside from all the nit-picking technical glitches...of which
36 Zvezda: I much preferred Die Hard and Die Hard 3 to Die Hard 2.
37 Pualani: All of us at HA were watching really close at the end of the movie as the paint on the L-1011 was raining down like a waterfall and you could just mak
38 AussieA346: I think the funniest part of that movie is seeing the janitor with his own little world of tunnels and blue prints under the Airport...Havnt seen that
39 HAWK21M: Preffered Part 1. Any Airport have such Tunnels. regds MEL
40 Salina Chan: maybe it had a glass cockpit? Salina Chan EDDF
41 EndAir2000: It appears it was a 747 cockpit they used for the NEA L1011
42 AndrewUber: Die Hard 1 is a classic, DH2 kinda sucked (IMHO), and DH3 is by far my favorite. The cheap shots and constant harrassment between Sam Jackson and Bruc
43 CcrlR: I was watching this on FX and they daid that they were models they used to simulate the L-1011 flying and the two planes exploding. They used differe
44 AirWillie6475: Look, this movie obviously had many mistakes but its still one of the best Hollywood airplane movies. Atleast it had a good story and content. How man
45 Leigh pilgrim: I think your all 'sad', I thought and still do think that Die Hard 2 is brilliant, if the film was left up to you, we would all fall asleep!, yes ther
46 OPNLguy: As dispatchers, we would have diverted them long before they got into emergency situations... Based on an assumed true airspeed of 450 kts., here's a
47 MrMcCoy: Yeah, that would have made a great film... Terrorists: We now control the entire airport's electronic guidance measures Airport: Ok. Approach: All air
48 777STL: Easy there.... I think we realize it's a film, and an enjoyable one at that. But it is fun to criticize it. Fun, you do know what that is don't you?
49 Fbgdavidson: LMAO! I've had a rough few days and that really cheered me up
50 OPNLguy: The other, related thing was that just because the crews inbound to IAD couldn't talk on the IAD tower freq without the bad guys hearing them didn't
51 MrMcCoy: I can already feel the smack of my wife's hand on the back of my head.. "It's only a movie, so shut up and let me enjoy it!"