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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10279 times:

Ok, ok, I know this has been discussed ad nauseum, but I happen to catch Die Hard 2 on TV today. Yes, I know it's  vomit  but I needed a good aviation inspired laugh today.
Anyway, we all know the obvious gaffs, ie: the Pacific Bell telephone at IAD, the exploding Windsor 114 crash (even though it had barely any fuel), and Richard Thornburg doing his news report from the aft lav, with the phone UPSIDE DOWN!!!!  rotfl 
One new thing I noticed today, and it actually believable was the fact that the 747 that the terrorists were fleeing on was this a/c:

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I happened to catch the reg number in the film.
A.net photo database to the rescue!!!!

Russ


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10226 times:

Well that was just one of dozens of non reality aviation screw-up's in the movie...
-Sucking in a person has no effect on engine performance....
-There is no dump valve on the engine pylon....
-All those aircraft panicing trying to JUST get into IAD..? they could divert into one of a dozen of airports in the area.
-Using a Zipo to blow up a plane in the air with a fuel trail..?
-An ejection seat in a C-123..?

were do we stop....



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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10187 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
were do we stop....

Indeed!

We should start a list!  rotfl 

Russ



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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10171 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Using a Zipo to blow up a plane in the air with a fuel trail..?

That was my favorite, personally...the fuel is hard to ignite to begin with, let alone when it's cold, like say lying in a snow-covered runway. That must have been one hell of a scary Zippo. Of course, it was a terrorist Zippo, so maybe that helped.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10145 times:

Don't forget the sewer drain on the runway when the terrorists plane was landing and where Bruce Willis climbed out of.


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User currently offlineMissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10119 times:

My favourites are usually military ones, like the SAMs in Behind Enemy Lines with a 30 minute endurance, not to mention the fact that after missing the target, they were able to search for it & pick it up again. Whatever!
 laughing 



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User currently offlineYegger From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10115 times:
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Wasn't this the movie where the terrorists were able to turn a "magic dial" in their "control tower" to re-calibrate the ILS to originate at a point a few hundred feet below field elevation, resulting in the plane flying right into the ground???

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7458 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10095 times:

What,nobody had a radio altimeter ?


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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10092 times:

Quoting Yegger (Reply 6):
Wasn't this the movie where the terrorists were able to turn a "magic dial" in their "control tower" to re-calibrate the ILS to originate at a point a few hundred feet below field elevation, resulting in the plane flying right into the ground???

Yep, that's the one!

I was amused at the fact that the Northeast L1011, coming from LAX-IAD had enough extra fuel to circle for 90 minutes! Hell, they could have diverted to ORD with that much fuel on board!  rotfl 

Russ



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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10042 times:

Or how about when they are fighting on the wing at the end, the a/c is supposed to be taxiing/taking off but the engines are not even running - just windmilling in the wind, and if they were taking off how would 2 unsecured human beings be able to stay on the cold slippery wing at speed.

And what about how all those a/c land one behind the other before the runway is even clear and they are all parked up at the end, just like they had been abandoned there !!.

 Smile



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User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10017 times:

Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 9):
And what about how all those a/c land one behind the other before the runway is even clear and they are all parked up at the end, just like they had been abandoned there !!.

I have to admit though, that the second plane to land at the end makes a way cool vortex through the smoke!  bigthumbsup 

But, what's with the emergency slide deployment at the very end? No fuel = no fire! Doh!

Russ



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10006 times:

Why didn't Bruce just jump into an empty plane, get on the radio and tell everyone to land elsewhere. That question just repeated again and again in my head through out the whole movie. The movie writers must think that the general population is completely ignorant about aviation.

User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9976 times:

Bruce Willis = Quality actor?

Av or non-av, that would be the most glaring on-screen anomaly for me.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9928 times:

Quoting 777DadandJr (Thread starter):
One new thing I noticed today, and it actually believable was the fact that the 747 that the terrorists were fleeing on was this a/c:

I thought they blew that plane up in the move??

 duck   Wink


User currently offlineAIRCANL1011 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9925 times:

Hey, the way this movie went he should have flown up and lead them to safety.

How did the L1011 land in almost zero visibility, no ILS and no instruction from the tower, such as the altimeter etc?



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User currently offlineAIRCANL1011 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 13):
thought they blew that plane up in the move??

Oh I don't think they blew that one up. They must have had a spare

 drunk 



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User currently offlineSanjet From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9888 times:

All in all, I still found it to be a great movie!


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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9857 times:

How bout when the guy looks back at the wing from the captain's seat and sees Bruce Willis on the wing.

I've never sat in the left seat of a 747 before, is that even possible?



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9760 times:
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Well if he can call his wife in the plane from the ground, anything is possible!


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
There is no dump valve on the engine pylon....

Thankfully.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
-Using a Zipo to blow up a plane in the air with a fuel trail..?

Nice Picturisation though.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 4):
Don't forget the sewer drain on the runway when the terrorists plane was landing and where Bruce Willis climbed out of

 Smile

regds
MEL



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User currently offlinePanther From Bahamas, joined Jun 2000, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9704 times:

was the plane Bruce ejected from supposed to be a 4 engined jet C-123?.......It still looked cool though!

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9682 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 11):
The movie writers must think that the general population is completely ignorant about aviation.

They -count- on it...  Wink


User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9638 times:

What a horrible movie, even if you ignore the many airport/aircraft goofs.

I noticed tonight when the L-1011 "landed" they showed its crew tugging on a 4-engine throttle control...

The door the bad guy opened on the 747 to go after Bruce Willis was clearly a set piece. There were no latches on the door.

The "magic dial" was probably the best goof. Wouldn't they actually need to move the ILS towers for that?

During the scene when the terrorists first gain control of the tower and the people in the tower are running around trying to figure out what is going on you can see the city lights clearly in the distance. There was at least 20 miles visibility in a "blizzard".

When the Evergreen 747 blew up it was clearly a model.

Apparently every pilot in the Washington D.C. airspace at the time were complete morons.

[Edited 2005-10-17 07:22:13]


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User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9612 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 21):
The movie writers must think that the general population is completely ignorant about aviation.

They -count- on it...

It's a stupid movie people... every movie is MADE-UP! It's called imagination. You think "normal" people have better things to do than worry about general aviation? There is a reason people on this site including myself are called A.nutters!

But it is always nice to read about all the blatant mistakes... so keep them coming  Smile



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9567 times:

An MP-5 SMG without a blank fireing adaptor won't produce enough chamber pressure to cycle the action. Therefore, you can't just switch magazines to go from blank fireing to live fire.

Oooppss.. that was a non-av flub.

ummm... think quick.... The FAA would have re-routed all inbound flights when IAD went off the air.... and even if you could (good lord how stupid) change and ILS glideslope that easy... the pilots would have noticed the new 13 degree glideslope  crazy 


25 Bluewave 707 : Hollywood has been notorious in exaggerating information, or even blatant lies. It's a movie ... fiction ... dramatic license. Not every director (or
26 Glidepath73 : Has somebody more information / photos about the models they have built for the movie? They must have been rather big... Regards, Patrick
27 FBWless : I believe that the EV 747 used in the movie was the same one that lost an engine after takeoff. Was it the same engine that the bad guy supposedly was
28 Doona : Nope, it was a two engined prop, the C-123 Provider. Flying one of those from somewhere in Latin America must have been pushing the envelope of it's
29 Swisskloten : I actually think DH 2 should be classified as a comedy. You have no idea how many times I lmao through it! Actually, the silliest part was where the p
30 Post contains images Jran225 : Hey guys, yes, the movie is full to the brim with these goofs, but all in all it's still pretty enjoyable! I did have one question though: Did Northea
31 Post contains images 777DadandJr : Maybe the 4th throttle control was for the APU! Russ
32 Jush : i still think it is a good movie. Because no action movie is anything like reality i want it to be unrealistic and as action as it can get. Regards ju
33 Lewis : What I didn't understand in the movie is why all the aircraft were circling around an airport with no fuel instead of taking the initiative to land in
34 BlueSky1976 : Actually, the fuel fumes are more explosive than the fuel itself. Remember TWA Flight 800?
35 OzarkD9S : Funny this thread should be here, I caught the last few minutes of it on TV last night...aside from all the nit-picking technical glitches...of which
36 Zvezda : I much preferred Die Hard and Die Hard 3 to Die Hard 2.
37 Pualani : All of us at HA were watching really close at the end of the movie as the paint on the L-1011 was raining down like a waterfall and you could just mak
38 Post contains images AussieA346 : I think the funniest part of that movie is seeing the janitor with his own little world of tunnels and blue prints under the Airport...Havnt seen that
39 Post contains images HAWK21M : Preffered Part 1. Any Airport have such Tunnels. regds MEL
40 Salina Chan : maybe it had a glass cockpit? Salina Chan EDDF
41 EndAir2000 : It appears it was a 747 cockpit they used for the NEA L1011
42 Post contains images AndrewUber : Die Hard 1 is a classic, DH2 kinda sucked (IMHO), and DH3 is by far my favorite. The cheap shots and constant harrassment between Sam Jackson and Bruc
43 CcrlR : I was watching this on FX and they daid that they were models they used to simulate the L-1011 flying and the two planes exploding. They used differe
44 AirWillie6475 : Look, this movie obviously had many mistakes but its still one of the best Hollywood airplane movies. Atleast it had a good story and content. How man
45 Leigh pilgrim : I think your all 'sad', I thought and still do think that Die Hard 2 is brilliant, if the film was left up to you, we would all fall asleep!, yes ther
46 Post contains images OPNLguy : As dispatchers, we would have diverted them long before they got into emergency situations... Based on an assumed true airspeed of 450 kts., here's a
47 MrMcCoy : Yeah, that would have made a great film... Terrorists: We now control the entire airport's electronic guidance measures Airport: Ok. Approach: All air
48 777STL : Easy there.... I think we realize it's a film, and an enjoyable one at that. But it is fun to criticize it. Fun, you do know what that is don't you?
49 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : LMAO! I've had a rough few days and that really cheered me up
50 Post contains images OPNLguy : The other, related thing was that just because the crews inbound to IAD couldn't talk on the IAD tower freq without the bad guys hearing them didn't
51 Post contains images MrMcCoy : I can already feel the smack of my wife's hand on the back of my head.. "It's only a movie, so shut up and let me enjoy it!"
52 VEEREF : "Ok people, stack 'em, pack 'em and rack 'em!"
53 Post contains images OPNLguy : Too bad we couldn't also smack 'em, as in the writers... I loved how all the arrival/departure monitors were controlled by the folks in the ATC tower
54 Newyork355 : I know I know...it's only a film, but I think the thing that bothered me the most was this: I am from DC, I have flown out of IAD numurous times. One
55 Lotpilot : Hey all! Did you guys notice the American Trans Air 727 in its old livery? You can see it right at the end where all the planes are landing. Pretty fu
56 777DadandJr : The only thing I can recall was hearing somewhere that it was filmed, partially, in Alpena, Michigan. Though, the PacBell telephone was obviously not
57 BoeingPride800 : a couple things, the windsor 114 crash was a large scale model. they didn't devert to any other airport just to make the story dramatic and i think th
58 CruzinAltitude : Enough about what is one in a long line of movies that do a crappy job of representing the aviation world. Lets talk about a possible aviation movie t
59 Swisskloten : I liked the third DH movie for that very reason. The script was so f*cking funny. I was LMAO through it. Did you think it was more of a comedy than a
60 DIA : I didn't see anyone mention this above: The Winsor 114 crash was that of a DC-8-72. I think this is probably going to be the first and last time we ev
61 EADC8 : Well they certainly weren't going to blow up a real one, were they?
62 Blackhawk144 : Come on, you guys! It's hollywood, what do you expect? I enjoyed the movie cause it had tons of explosions, and it had airplanes? Are any of you REALL
63 777STL : Don't quote me on this but I think a lot of it was shot in Burbank CA. The interior shots anyway, hence the PacBell phone.
64 Bennett123 : DIA Are you saying that Windsor 114 was a real aircraft.
65 RAFVC10 : But... which type of aircraft is the Windsor 114? I presume is an Convair 880 or 990???
66 Potomac : ha - love this thread. i know it's hollywood and things aren't going to be perfect for us aviation geeks in the audience, but my goodness you'd think
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