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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9913 times:

Under the news tab it says "Delta to fly international from SLC" can anyone who has access to that share and tell everyone what its all about, or someone who knows what its about can share their information with all of us. Thanx.

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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2027 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9897 times:
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They fly to Mexico and I would assume Canada from SLC, maybe they'll be going somewhere else?

User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 663 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9880 times:

Quoting Syncmaster (Reply 1):
maybe they'll be going somewhere else?

Maybe, but where? It doesn't seem that they would be able to make demand for a flight to the Carribean or Latin America with decent loads. Just my thoughts.

From BDL  wave  (finally getting coast to coast service with Song, eat that WN)
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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9857 times:

I've seen this a long time coming. I am curious maybe if they started a flight to London or Frankfurt, some high demand city like that, if their west coast customers would prefer to change there as opposed to a city like New York, which can be a hastle, or Atlanta, which is kind of out of the way between places like Seattle and even LA to Europe.

User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9841 times:

Any chance it would be SLC-CDG?

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9793 times:

Only Canada/Mexico for now....and probably for a long time.

User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9773 times:

I was thinking more of SLC-FRA, SLC-CDG, SLC-FCO, SLC-LHR....
Those seem to be the busy international destinations for DL right now. Maybe a SLC-MXP?


User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9752 times:

I would think that CDG would make the most sense, due to the many connection opportunities with AF. Plus, there will be many tourists from the West.

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2073 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9754 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 3):
I've seen this a long time coming. I am curious maybe if they started a flight to London or Frankfurt, some high demand city like that, if their west coast customers would prefer to change there as opposed to a city like New York, which can be a hastle, or Atlanta, which is kind of out of the way between places like Seattle and even LA to Europe.

They aren't flying to Europe out of SLC, I can assure you. Cincinnati is there for a reason and as an alternative to Atlanta and New York(mainly o/d traffic, less feed). Add in the fact that CVG's flights to Europe are probably almost purely feed, you'd more than likely see some real adverse effects on CVG-LGW etc.


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9723 times:

Sorry but Delta cannot fly to LHR because of Bermuda 3, they can fly to LGW/STN if they want also now any nonlondon airport with fifth freedom to other places. How about you guys in US allowing fifth freedom over there in the land of the free!! Can you imagine flying BA ORD-LAS

User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9668 times:
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Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 9):
Can you imagine flying BA ORD-LAS

That is why there are codeshares. Essentially you are flying BA ORD-LAS just not on their equipment.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 663 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9664 times:

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 9):
Can you imagine flying BA ORD-LAS

Well didn't Brainff have some cockamamey contract with BA about some whacky codesharing flights? I rememeber that it had something to do with the Concorde.

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9427 times:

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 9):
Sorry but Delta cannot fly to LHR because of Bermuda 3

Actually, it's Bermuda 2.

Quoting OOer (Reply 6):
I was thinking more of SLC-FRA, SLC-CDG, SLC-FCO, SLC-LHR....
Those seem to be the busy international destinations for DL right now. Maybe a SLC-MXP?

Dream on.

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 4):
Any chance it would be SLC-CDG?

The only somewhat realistic chance of Euro service SLC has, thanks to the AF hub.

Quoting OOer (Thread starter):
Under the news tab it says "Delta to fly international from SLC" can anyone who has access to that share and tell everyone what its all about, or someone who knows what its about can share their information with all of us. Thanx.

As stated in another thread, DL will (re-)start service to YEG, and is considering both MEX and GDL service.


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9356 times:

...and why not SLC-China or Japan  Wink

User currently offlineNetworkDoc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9307 times:

Surprised they are starting SLC up again for internationals after dismantling SLC completely in 1996/1997 (when the still had 24 international destinations from SLC). From past data (seats/frequency in OAG), DL have sporadically tried to run different sets/individual routes from SLC since dismantling, but since it has obviously not worked in the past (i.e. destinations varied completely from year to year), I wonder what the rationale is for re-starting...

Does anyone know if the intention is to run a few select routes for O-D traffic or whether the intention is to use SLC as a Western US (mini) hub for international flights?



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9217 times:

Why not bia DL to someplace like the LGW/LHR or FRA or even an Asian destination? SLC is the home of the Church of Latter-day-Saints (Mormons) who travel all over the world. The SLC area also has an increasing number of high-tech businesses, you have world class skiing nearby (don't forget the 2002 Winter Olympics was there) as well as a lot of tourism in the region at other parts of the year. Perhaps they could start a flight there, then continue to a 2nd city then onward to those international destinations. SLC probably isn't as crazy as many other airports as to weather, traffic so if miminal delays, could be a good place for some intercontinental services

User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9188 times:

Quoting NetworkDoc (Reply 14):
(when the still had 24 international destinations from SLC)

When was this, and what destinations were these? Unless it was a charter, I don't remember anything ever leaving SLC to another continent, and 24 destinations can't just be Canada and Mexico. Maybe I am wrong...can someone give me more insight into this?

Thanks....


User currently offlineNetworkDoc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9245 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 16):
When was this, and what destinations were these? Unless it was a charter, I don't remember anything ever leaving SLC to another continent, and 24 destinations can't just be Canada and Mexico. Maybe I am wrong...can someone give me more insight into this?

For the time period 1994-2003, OAG/BACK comes up with the following destinations served by DL from SLC, excluding North America:

AMS
ATH
BCN
BKK
BOM
BRU
CPH
CUN
FCO
FRA
GDL
HKG
HMO
LGW
MAD
MAN
MEX
MUC
MXP
MZT
NCE
NGO
NRT
ORY
PVR
SEL
STR
SVO
TPE
TXL
ZRH

For the same period, 1994-2003, the following three Canadian destinations are listed:

YEG
YVR
YYC

Most of the above were served up until 1996. The OAG search was on seats and frequencies and excludes flights with equipment changes. As they are in OAG, they must have been scheduled flights.

From today's standpoint this data seems rather incredible. Is it accurate? Does anyone from DL out there know what happened at SLC in the past? I personally find the breadth of destinations listed in OAG quite amazing...



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9148 times:

That list doesn't really depict the actual number of international destinations, as except for a few Mexican destinations, all of of those destinations were NOT NONSTOP. They were just mere connection possibilities. You wouldn't actually believe that DL would operate SLC-SVO nonstop.

User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9104 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 18):
all of of those destinations were NOT NONSTOP

That's what I thought.

Did DL even have equipment that could have flown half of these routes if they WERE nonstop? I don't think the MD-11 can even make SLC-HKG nonstop.

And, FYI, Mexico is in North America. Common mistake for people on other continents.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4008 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9082 times:
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It would be nice to see DL offer at least one trans-atlantic crossing, perhaps as someone mentioned, SLC-CDG with a AF codeshare would work? I think it would do well in terms of convience for West Coast Travelers as well as those from Europe who want to travel to Hawaii [if there's a decent enough market for passengers transiting to HNL, OGG, KOA....].

LACA773


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9058 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 8):
Add in the fact that CVG's flights to Europe are probably almost purely feed, you'd more than likely see some real adverse effects on CVG-LGW etc.

Perhaps you havent been reading, as of late Cincinnati has been dropping flights left and right. Add to the fact that Cincinnati has to rely almost solely on connectng traffic, compared to Salt Lake with a hearty O.D market. It is possible to see Salt Lake City connected to Amsterdam, Paris, Gatwick, and Frankfurt. If Delta brings each of those cities online from Salt Lake, look for the 767-300, or 767-400. You will not be seeing a 777-200 from Salt Lake to anywhere for a very, very long time. For the meantime Delta is not going to get overly zealous with Long Haul international routes.

KAHALA777


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9045 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 19):
Did DL even have equipment that could have flown half of these routes if they WERE nonstop?

Only if those routes were either operate once weekly, or by doing a Southwest, ala SLC-LGW-SVO-ATH-MAD-SLC  Silly .


User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 602 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9023 times:

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 9):
Sorry but Delta cannot fly to LHR because of Bermuda 3, they can fly to LGW/STN if they want also now any nonlondon airport with fifth freedom to other places. How about you guys in US allowing fifth freedom over there in the land of the free!! Can you imagine flying BA ORD-LAS

Although Nevadan's might consider themselves foreign from those from Illinois, there is no getting aruond the fact that ORD-LAS is not 5th freedom - It is cabotage, which the UK has never allowed as well.



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 21):
For the meantime Delta is not going to get overly zealous with Long Haul international routes.

You mean from SLC right?



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25 Kahala777 : Yes both Salt Lake and Cincinnati. Delta Airlines, is focusing on building the strongest O.D. and business driven markets. In Delta Airlines system t
26 BigGSFO : SLC simply doesn't have the O&D to sustain a non-stop intercontinental flight. Yes SLC does have a lot of feed from the West Coast/Rocky Mountain area
27 2travel2know : I can imagine SLC-NRT 3-4 weekly and SLC-SJO/LIR + SLC-CUN 1-2 weekly.
28 Kahala777 : None of the above mentioned airlines are in bed with another airline, the way that Air France and Delta are tied at the hip. Delta Airlines, could su
29 MAH4546 : They already fly SLC-CUN daily.
30 Avianca : I think it would be the only destination in Europe for the moment as they could offer many conections to India, Europe, MiddleEast and Africa from CD
31 Whataboutme : Well drop the bermuda 2 and let more US carriers in LHR and maybe we over here in the "Land Of the Free", will let BA pick up people in ORD and carry
32 LambertMan : They are cutting the fat in Cincinnati. The routes they are cutting are simply extra frequencies that are just not needed. But you make my point sayi
33 Kahala777 : You made my day with that one! I have thought for years that Delta Airlines needed to focus on money makers of Atlanta and New York. It boggles my mi
34 OOer : If DL added a SLC-CDG flight it wouldnt go out 1/2 full. It would go out 80-90% full everytime I guarantee it. Skywest has over 200 flights going into
35 Richierich : Finally somebody on this thread makes some sense! I was actually laughing out loud thinking of SLC-MXP and SLC-FRA. Come on... this is a company in b
36 Post contains images Jetboy319 : That's funny! I needed a good laugh today, "Get Fuzzy" and "Dilbert" just didn't do enough for me today.... hehehe
37 N1120A : It can't make the route reliably when full No it isn't. United is a large carrier in the West. Alaska is a large carrier in the west. Southwest is a
38 BigGSFO : Really? I doubt it. SLC-Europe is a thin market at best. The major population centers west of SLC (LAX, SFO, SEA, LAS, PHX) already have non-stops to
39 Mason : BigGSFO, I agree with your logic. Interesting, however, that the SLC-Hawaii market can support a daily 764. This is not a high-yield market, and who c
40 FlyIAD1 : To answer DeltaGuy767 -- yes BA and AF had a code sharing agreement with Braniff during 1979. The BA and AF crews would fly Concorde to Dulles from Eu
41 Skip17 : I don't see an Asian route in the next decade for SLC...or never for that matter. But like you said the skiing, mormon church, and a strong connectin
42 Kahala777 : Just so that you know, Delta Airlines traffic at Salt Lake City, is the near combined amount of American Airlines at Honolulu, Los Angeles, Las Vegas
43 Malaysia : SLC-HNL-BKK with 764 hehe I wish SLC-HNL-MNL might work?
44 DIA77 : UA flies DEN-HNL daily and DEN-KOA weekly.
45 DIA77 : It's more than the combined amount of Continental, ATA and Midwest too, but American isn't exactly a major player in the West either. Delta is nowher
46 Kahala777 : Point is taken, I understand the logic. KAHALA777
47 Skip17 : Could never work! It would be interesting to see happen, but such a route could not be profitable. Sweet dreams, but I dont' see DL coming to the Phi
48 OOer : So you compare Den to SLC? Ok DEN gets more traffic etc than SLC and DEN has 2 non-stop flights to Europe, however those 2 flights are very full and o
49 Skip17 : Wow well done...completely agree. Cheers
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