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Ilfc Orders 20x Boeing 787  
User currently offlineSq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8198 times:

Another good news for Boeing. With this order, Boeing has 293 commitments for 787 from 24 customers versus 143 commitments for A350 from 10 customers.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...4DFC393C3C%7D&dist=rss&siteid=mktw

Cheers.

[Edited 2005-10-17 08:17:02]

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User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8183 times:

Quoting Sq212 (Thread starter):
The unidentifed order posted by Boeing last week could be this order.

According to the article, it is the same

ILFC completed the deal late in the past week but requested Boeing post the orders on its Web site as "unidentified" until later, The Journal said, citing unnamed people familiar with the situation. ILFC has a fleet of more than 700 jetliners valued at more than $36 billion, The Journal said.



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User currently offlineDagell From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8164 times:

great news for the dreamliner!!!

User currently offlineSq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8149 times:

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 1):
According to the article, it is the same

Correction made. Many thanks.

Cheers


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

Now the question remains does ILFC have customers lined up to lease these planes?


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User currently offlineKeta From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7876 times:

So this is the unidentified customer. Congrats to Boeing!

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4):
Now the question remains does ILFC have customers lined up to lease these planes?

Let the speculation continue...  Silly



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7783 times:
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its good ILFC have finally ordered the B787. Wonder who the leasing airlines are, hope its new B787 'customers'

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7441 times:
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Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 4):
Now the question remains does ILFC have customers lined up to lease these planes?

I'd say that ILFC has a handle on what their customers will want. They seem to have done pretty well up to now...  Wink

Seriously speaking, when Udvay-Hazy was interviewed by Flight International earlier this year (prior to Paris) he pointed out that he was actively marketing the airplane and Mullaly from Boeing was there saying he was a key partner for input on what airlines would want. U-H indicated that he saw the airplane as being a key component of his portfolio over the next 20 years.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7387 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 7):
U-H indicated that he saw the airplane as being a key component of his portfolio over the next 20 years.

If true then I thinks it's a lock that ILFC will order significantly more 787 over time and these 20 are just the start. I bet they're taking mostly 787-8 and -9s.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8863 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7354 times:

I heard that these maybe Qatar Airways production slots that ILFC purchased, knew they were deciding on 80ish aircraft, thought the LOI were for A350/777's ?


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7313 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 8):
If true then I thinks it's a lock that ILFC will order significantly more 787 over time and these 20 are just the start. I bet they're taking mostly 787-8 and -9s.

ILFC will also order A350s. Maybe not any time soon, but eventually...just like GECAS will order 787s. Leasing companies are like lawyers — they're whores.



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User currently offlineFlyingHippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 680 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7300 times:

From WSJ:

In addition, the leasing company secured an undisclosed number of potentially lucrative early delivery positions, even though the airplane is largely sold out through 2010. The 787 is scheduled to enter service in mid-2008. The Airbus plane isn't expected to enter service until 2010.


I wonder how early is ILFC is their 787 slots... If they secured such early slots for the 787, it does look like they have a deal with some airlines already in place.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

Good news for the program!
Perhaps IFLC has taken the Air Canada slots?



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7086 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 12):
Perhaps IFLC has taken the Air Canada slots?

IMO I don't think so. I'm sure ILFC put down a refundable deposit to reserve early delivery spots ass they did indicate that they were planning to purchase the aircraft even before AC announced the order in April. But I am sure that AC early delivery slots are all gone with the cancellation.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12884 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7068 times:
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Am I the only one surprised it took this long for ILFC to get out a 787 order?

Does anyone know if GE has ordered any?

Since Boeing, for the leasing companies (and others interested in resale) forced GE and RR to use the same nacelle, interfaces, etc. so that engine swaps are a no brainer, I would have thought the leasing companies would have been early to this brunch. Cest la vie.

Does anyone know if the GEnX and Trent 1700 can share a nacelle on the A350? It would be trickier as the bleed points on a double and triple spool will not be quite be at the same locations, but it could be done.

And can I hope this doesn't become another 120+ post A vs. B? Sigh... no, I don't have that much hope.

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6867 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 15):
You start our your post with "Am I the only one surprised it took this long for ILFC to get out a 787 order?" and then you end it with "And can I hope this doesn't become another 120+ post A vs. B? Sigh... no, I don't have that much hope."

Nice job trying to start another A vs B fight!

Where do you get that from?! How do you make out that it's an inflammatory suggestion that ILFC would be a natural customer for the 787? Of course they're buying the 787. No doubt they'll buy the A350 too. Don't see this infantile "A vs B" where it plainly isn't!


User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6797 times:

As a lawyer I'm not sure that youhave it right that we are :like whores". Most of the time we are accused of the it being the other way around- And one of my favorite lawyer jokes


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User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6232 times:

Quoting Sq212 (Thread starter):
With this order, Boeing has 293 commitments for 787 from 24 customers versus 143 commitments for A350 from 10 customers.

So, looks like Airbus is doing better than Boeing - an average order of 14.3 aircraft for Airbus as opposed to 12.2 for Boeing!


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

Quoting HS748 (Reply 18):
So, looks like Airbus is doing better than Boeing - an average order of 14.3 aircraft for Airbus as opposed to 12.2 for Boeing!

Interesting spin on the fact that Airbus has had mostly just a few large orders (the QR order in particular), as opposed to the diverse order base that Boeing has had.



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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6194 times:

Quoting HS748 (Reply 18):
So, looks like Airbus is doing better than Boeing - an average order of 14.3 aircraft for Airbus as opposed to 12.2 for Boeing!

See, it's obvious pot-stirring comments like this that contribute to how things get out of hand. You haven't contributated anything to the discussion, and that statement has almost zero meaning. Unless that was your intent...



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User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 15):
Nice job trying to start another A vs B fight!

What's your point exactly? Where did Lightsaber provoke "another war"? Paranoia must be something terrible...


Regards,
JM


User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

Anybody know, which versions these are?

Great news!



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6137 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 19):
Interesting spin on the fact that Airbus has had mostly just a few large orders (the QR order in particular), as opposed to the diverse order base that Boeing has had.

Spot on! Which means Boeing is actually doing much better as their risk is a lot lower. Having a more diverse customer base may not be as prestigious as some of these "whale customers", but it makes it much safer for Boeing. I personally wouldn't want to be around when reality hits home and the middle east airlines (EK, Qatar, Etihad, etc.) realize that you can't have so many monster widebody fleets so close together. There are going to be a lot of petro-dollars going down the drain at some point...

Steve


User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5890 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 19):
Interesting spin on the fact that Airbus has had mostly just a few large orders (the QR order in particular), as opposed to the diverse order base that Boeing has had.



Quoting Lemurs (Reply 20):
See, it's obvious pot-stirring comments like this that contribute to how things get out of hand. You haven't contributated anything to the discussion, and that statement has almost zero meaning. Unless that was your intent...

The exclamation mark at the end of my post should have indicated to those familiar with the English language that it was tongue in cheek - much needed with all the naval gazing that goes on in this forum. Chill out!


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

Quoting HS748 (Reply 24):
Quoting N328KF (Reply 19):
Interesting spin on the fact that Airbus has had mostly just a few large orders (the QR order in particular), as opposed to the diverse order base that Boeing has had.



Quoting Lemurs (Reply 20):
See, it's obvious pot-stirring comments like this that contribute to how things get out of hand. You haven't contributated anything to the discussion, and that statement has almost zero meaning. Unless that was your intent...

IN-COMMING!!  duck 



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25 N79969 : This is a nice feather in the cap for the B787 program and an endorsement of the aircraft itself. If Boeing delivers on its promises, I think ILFC wil
26 Post contains images BlueSky1976 : Hmmm... I smell Air India all over it... ...but it could be just me...
27 Post contains images Lemurs : No, see that's the problem...the exclamation mark does not mean that in the English language. An exclamation mark is used for emphatic declaration, i
28 AirTran737 : Could this be the coveted QF order that we have all been longing for? It would be really nice to see Dixon out there announcing the lease of 20 787's.
29 Byrdluvs747 : I'm hoping that AA will be leasing some of these planes.
30 Kaitak : I don't think it will be Qantas or Air India. I would think it would probably be smaller carriers, particularly those with existing aircraft leased fr
31 Glom : Not really. That's what smileys are for. And you know as well as I that comments far more rabid are said in earnest. Wouldn't it be nicer if QF order
32 Post contains images Ikramerica : Only a lawyer would find that funny. Here's a better one: "What's the difference between a catfish and lawyer? One is a bottom feeding scavenger, the
33 WhiteHatter : This keeps coming up and is WRONG. The interface is to cut Boeing's development costs and build costs down by having the same equipment in the airfra
34 N79969 : This is too strong of a statement. Having a generic interface increases the marketability of the aircraft over its life. Similarly aged/operated RR-p
35 Glom : So there is an advantage then to this feature.
36 YULWinterSkies : I think you set the new record of the answers needed to start an off-topic A-B war : 0 answer. Come on!
37 Art : Is this their first order? If so, what kept them so long? It's hardly as if airlines have been lukewarm in their reaction to the 787.
38 Stitch : It may be customers who want to "try the waters" of the 787 (either for financial reasons - save cash - or as a prelude to placing a larger order if t
39 ETStar : Wow, did not know that Airbus also had this many! Add another 10 customers and it matches it! A VP at Emirates said that unless Boeing comes up with
40 N328KF : You make it sound so trivial.
41 Post contains images Islandboy : Well wouldn't that be a refreshing turn of events Not everyone needs the capacity of the A350, hence why the B787 is still selling.
42 Revelation : Wow, A vs. B right out of the gate! Um, no! LOL! Boy, some people are so anxious to fight, they've lost their sense of humor. Umm, Mr. White Hatter,
43 AirbusA6 : On the 767 the RR powered version is a bit of an orphan, so will have different resale values to, say the GE and PW powered versions. On the 787 it se
44 HanginOut : My understanding is that AC lost the early 777 slots, but not the 787 slots as there is still lots of time to resurrect the deal, before Boeing even
45 7E72004 : How much more fuel savings will the 787 bring over the jets we have today? The same question goes for the A350...will there be a lot of savings?
46 Trex8 : There was a post on yahoo orders group quoting some industry news source about how you actually will have to change the ENTIRE pylon to change the en
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