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DL To Announce 11 New Transatlantic Routes  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4898 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17761 times:
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According to a posting at the FlyerTalk site, Delta will officially announce the addition of 11(!!) new transatlantic routes from ATL and JFK to Europe/Middle East for spring/summer 2006 tomorrow (Tues Oct 18). In addition, there will also be expanded service on two existing international routes.

THis is in line with previous posts here at a.net about DL significantly expanding European ops next year. Wonder if the 11 already include the previously announced ones as well, i.e., ATL-TLV, ATL-DUS, and ATL-CPH; or the applied-for JFK-KBP.

I guess that's what you get when you hire an ex-CO Network Planning Chief!

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User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17674 times:

Wow that's alot!

ATL-EDI, just 10 more to go!  Wow!


User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17692 times:

Please, return to Helsinki. AY needs some competition on the North American market.

User currently offlineLXsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17645 times:

Which routes are the best candidates to come true?

User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1876 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17612 times:

JFK-WAW

They already flew it and it was profitable. I'm 90% sure it could be one of them.

ATL-WAW

quite possible as ATL is becoming NYC of the South and it would give a very nice access from Central Europe to the Florida market.

JFK - PRG
JFK - ARN
ATL - ARN
JFK - BUD

- wild guess, but who knows?  Smile



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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17584 times:

Any chance of JFK-LYS?

User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22924 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17511 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 4):
quite possible as ATL is becoming NYC of the South and it would give a very nice access from Central Europe to the Florida market.

It what respect beyond the 500 pound gorilla of a hub? Don't ever compare Atlanta and New York again.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4898 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17522 times:
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According to various clues and comments by the highly-trustworthy MAH4546 peppered throughout multiple threads, here are a few clues:

-ATL will get three routes that are currently JFK-only.

My guesses here are ATL-ATH, ATL-IST, and probably ATL-VCE (other choices were either TXL or NCE but TXL was only started this year from JFK and DL may give it some more time to develop; I think VCE slightly outstrips NCE in terms of year-round viability)

- ATL will get a brand new station:

This is the previously-leaked ATL-EDI.

- JFK will get a brand new station:

This is probably JFK-BUD (in another thread about CO potentially doing EWR-BUD, it was mentioned that a major carrier will soon be announcing new service to BUD). PRG is already served by codeshare partner OK. DL may be taking advantage of MA's problems.

- JFK will get two pre-9/11 routes back:

This is a toughie. The candidates are ARN, MAN, DUB/SNN, ZRH, MUC, CAI/DXB. No clue here.


User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17452 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 4):

JFK-WAW
...
ATL-WAW
...
JFK - PRG
JFK - ARN
ATL - ARN
JFK - BUD

- wild guess, but who knows? {Smile}

Absolutely! These are important cities and they need more connections.

A350



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24928 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17374 times:

ATL-EDI (Would be hilarious if it was actually ATL-GLA  Silly)
JFK-MAN



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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 17316 times:

Recently there was a thread about Deltas new route maps
here in the forum.

Here they come:




A350



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4898 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17277 times:
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Actually, the Herald Trib has already announced it:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/17/business/delta.php

11 new routes:
ATL-EDI (leaked)
ATL-TLV (already announced)
ATL-CPH (already announced)
ATL-DUS (already announced)
ATL-ATH
ATL-NCE
ATL-VCE
JFK-BUD
JFK-MAN
JFK-DUB/SNN
JFK-KBP (await govt approval)

Increased service:
ATL-SNN (summer only)
JFK-FCO


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17254 times:

Quoting Panamair (Thread starter):
My guesses here are ATL-ATH, ATL-IST

I did not think the 767 has enough range to do this flight profitably. IIRC, when ATL-IST was flown in the past, it was an MD11.



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User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17250 times:

I would be great to see DL in PRG!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think they are more likely to start JFK-PRG service than ATL-PRG service, but that is just great!!! In addition, CSA is a SkyTeam partner, so many DL pax would have great connection to Central and Europe and the Middle East through PRG.
I really hope to see DL in PRG.
Regards,
Adam



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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17252 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
ZRH

I cannot imagine that DL wants to compete head on with AA and LX on this route unless AA gives it up which might very well happen when the code share agreement with LX ends.

Don't forget that CO and LX (Privatair) also serve EWR which is quite popular with high yield business travelers heading into Manhattan.

I would prefer to see ZRH-CVG again (used to be served by the venerable L1011-500 when LX and DL were code-sharing across the pond), but the chances that this will happen are unfortunately minuscule.


User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17224 times:

Any chance for ATL-LIS?

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17214 times:

Quoting Panamair (Thread starter):
I guess that's what you get when you hire an ex-CO Network Planning Chief!

You bet . DL should have hired those years ago.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
-ATL will get three routes that are currently JFK-only.

Agree with that, likely thrice-weekly to ATH and 4x weekly to IST, just like the first time around.
As far as the third is concerned, I would put NCE over VCE, due to the size of the metro area, and TXL is still too "fresh" to already warrant a 2nd flight.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
- JFK will get a brand new station:

Well, I'd also expect it to be BUD, though maybe DL already inofficially has been granted JFK-KBP, so who knows .

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
- JFK will get two pre-9/11 routes back:

I guess I know which those two routes are (Thanks Mark ).

And as is obvious now, the 764ERs will go to Europe, because even with converting all domestic 763ERs and cutting domestic BizE flights, you wouldn't have enough planes to operate these 11 new flights, plus ATL-CPH, plus ATL-DUS, plus ATL-TLV (2 planes).
Damn, I'm typing too slow. Why is it that some newspapers always leak routes before an airline officially announces them?

[Edited 2005-10-18 00:13:30]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17183 times:

NYT got the announcement early - Delta hasn't been able to keep any of the major new route announcements secret lately. ATL-TLV/CPH/DUS were all leaked at least a week in advance. I believe that the Atlanta flights to EDI/ATH/VCE/NCE will all be summer-only, but maybe not? The JFK-Ireland flight will be JFK-DUB-SNN-JFK, BTW.


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User currently offlineLXsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 17053 times:

JFK-FCO increased? What does it mean? 2 daily 767 or 1 with 777?

If I remember well CDG is the only European city to get more than 1 daily DL flight to JFK. So maybe FCO will be the second.


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16975 times:

Quoting LXsaab2000 (Reply 18):
If I remember well CDG is the only European city to get more than 1 daily DL flight to JFK. So maybe FCO will be the second

JFK-FCO has been flown double daily in the past.

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 12):
I did not think the 767 has enough range to do this flight profitably.

If the 763 can fly SFO-MXP, SFO-CDG, JFK-TLV, then IST should be no problem at all on ATL-IST.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
- JFK will get a brand new station:
This is probably JFK-BUD

Wasnt JFK-BUD flown by Delta in the past? If not was it a tag of JFK-Stuttgart?

KAHALA777


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16916 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
I believe that the Atlanta flights to EDI/ATH/VCE/NCE will all be summer-only, but maybe not?

Seems EDI might be year round, but hey, should find out for certain tomorrow anyway.  Smile


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16839 times:

Good to see other carriers continue to validate our strategy: the money is to be made in Europe and elsewhere.

The start up costs for these routes will be considerable, and I don't think they'll all last, but I am confident this kind of aggressive expansion will only help Delta work their way out Chapter 11. I can't say the same for Northwest, in this case their traditionally conservative approach may be the opposite of what they need.

Time will tell, but it is nice to see Delta recommit to the NYC-Europe market. There is plenty of room for all!


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 16676 times:

Here's my take:

ATL-EDI (leaked) -Should do well particularly in the summer..might have to scale back in winter

ATL-TLV (already announced) - The O+D isn't great, but the connecting opportunities will make this flight a winner. I think TLV is a little underserved from the U.S.

ATL-CPH (already announced) - Not so confident in this one...might be ok in the summer, but a real struggle otherwise.

ATL-DUS (already announced) - I think this one will fill another niche...much like ATL-STR

ATL-ATH - Should make a good summer seasonal route, but I can't imagine this route during the winter

ATL-NCE - Similar as with ATL-ATH...good during summer but nothing else.

ATL-VCE - Same as ATL-NCE.

JFK-BUD - I think this route has potential...maybe DL can codeshare with Malev again....although that might piss off CSA.

JFK-MAN - I have my doubts on this one...DL has tried it before and it wasn't pretty. DL just doesn't have any traction in the NYC-UK market.

JFK-DUB/SNN - DL has been wanting to bring this one back for a while. The only hesistance was the SNN stopover, which apparently they've overcome.

JFK-KBP (await govt approval) - Much like BUD, an interesting niche market that has a lot of potential.

Overall, I would think about seven of these routes has long term survivability. The real big concern is if all the added capacity will kill transatlantic yields.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25152 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 16630 times:
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Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 22):
The real big concern is if all the added capacity will kill transatlantic yields.

You have any doubt about this?

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 16570 times:

This is good news for DL and of course fits in with their plan. Question: where are they getting the aircraft? Obviously with the 762's going away, they must be reducing domestic services to schedule 763's and possibly, as discussed on this forum, the 764 to across the pond. Their T7's are already highly utilized and between Japan and Isarel.

Some of these routes however do appear seasonal to me: EDI, CPH, NCE, VCE, ATH. Nonetheless hopefully this works for them. They need some good news for a change.  Smile


25 Commavia : I think MALEV may already be taken by AA!
26 GoCOgo : I could be dead wrong here or confusing this with something else, but don't they need Greek approval to add on at ATH? I had though that Greece was n
27 Kahala777 : Continental does not have the feed or the desire. There was a time when Continental planned to launch SVO and ATH. That never came into play. Contine
28 ContinentalEWR : JFK-MAN, again? They tried this once. It didn't work.
29 Willyj : KBP is Kiev for anyone who doesn't know. That's not an obvious one and (at least on my computer) it doesn't come up when I roll my mouse over it... I
30 Skip17 : Although the talk has been directed mostly toward JFK and ATL...I wouldn't be surprised to see a SLC-CDG (supported by west connecting passengers) stu
31 BigGSFO : It is very clear which gateways DL is most interested in expanding across the Atlantic: JFK and ATL. No CVG, no SLC, no BOS. Agreed. ATH is seasonal a
32 Post contains images Kahala777 : Followed only by Rome, and Istanbul! KAHALA777
33 Jetdeltamsy : What are you trying to communicate here, child? With Skyteam memeber Continental providing service to the world from EWR, it is entirely reasonable t
34 LACA773 : Yes. They previously served JFK-BUD and had a codeshare with MA but ended it I believe right before or after 9/11. LACA773
35 GeorgiaAME : As a very frequent international leisure traveler, all of the above sounds nice. Certainly it would be more convenient for me than having to change fl
36 N509JB : For the love of God, do you think you can go one post without spewing your bile about Delta? We get it, you had a bad flight! They're updating the in
37 MarshalN : Having just been to NCE, I can't imagine it not being a seasonal route. Some hotels are closing down for the season as we speak, and there just isn't
38 Post contains images Mariner : That's why they have the Cannes Film Festival in May - to try and get people to go to the South of France out of season. cheers mariner
39 Lono : I think all these cities except for KBP perhaps are all cities DL got permission to serve from their PA spending... my question is.... how come they f
40 Kaitak : This is very interesting from an Irish perspective; I can only imagine that the Irish authorities were sat down and told "easy way or hard way?" and t
41 ETStar : Am surprised that no one cared to even give Johannesburg a shot, that is, before the actual routes were announced. You'd think that maybe, just maybe
42 Post contains images MAH4546 : Who said all this flying is going to be with 763ERs?
43 Flyboy7974 : reading from the above, i still have wished that delta would bring back jfk-stuttgart service that they offered back in the 90s. i am still surprised
44 BA : I know prior to 9/11, DL was eyeing JFK-BEY. Perhaps one day... I could see CAI/DXB returning soon. Regards
45 N774UA : There is also a rumor floating around that they will start BOS-AMS next summer. N774UA
46 United Airline : I think they should expand more into Asia....
47 LXsaab2000 : Maybe is DL going to give up the worst Atlantic routes to open the new ones?
48 MAH4546 : No, they aren't. The announcement at 10.30AM will answer the questions as to where the planes are coming from.
49 DAL767400ER : Doesn't make sense.NW is already on the route, and as long as DL still isn't allowed FIS in their terminal, they won't add any international flights
50 Panamair : Agree that ATH is very seasonal but it's not just the VFR market; there is a tremendous cruise market to ATH (as well as to IST, VCE, NCE, and BCN) a
51 Panamair : Times change, market demographics change, cost structures change, etc. They tried TXL before also but this time round it's actually doing better than
52 Halls120 : Their seat pitch is "about average"? What herb have you been smoking? Until they refit their coach section with seats that have the same pitch as Uni
53 Rwylie77 : That map is so funny...a few errors which will stop any British people flying with them! South Hampton rather than Southampton and New Castle rather t
54 7LBAC111 : But isn't there talk of BA dropping their service from MAN, or have I made that up entirely? 7LBAC111
55 Gkirk : Interesting DL jumping on MAN-JFK again before AA who were rumoured to be looking at a MAN-JFK 757 service.
56 TS-IOR : What about North Africa and the Persian Gulf countries ?
57 Panamair : Um, sorry to break it to you but United's Economy Plus seat pitch is not "about average" - it is above average. Delta's seat pitch in Y is between 31
58 Halls120 : That was exactly my point - UA's economy plus is above average, and exceeds Delta's. Yes, Delta's pitch is the same as you would get in Y class on BA
59 Luniew : Boston has a good demand for flights to WAW there's no nonstop service. If DL could only keep the prices lower than LH,BA and LX they would have profi
60 Alespesl : I dont think JFK-PRG would work well because their Skyteam partner CSA already flies this route. I think much betweeb option for them would be ATL-PR
61 DAYflyer : Now if they could just hire Gordon Bethune........
62 Post contains links ERJ170 : Press Release Delta to Become World’s Largest Transatlantic Airline Growth includes expansion at Atlanta, New York-JFK hubs ATLANTA, Oct. 18, 2005
63 STT757 : AA and DL both previously flew JFK-MAN, both dropped the route. Not with a ten foot pole as the saying goes..
64 Lexer : I must say, I find all this expansion stuff by Delta a bit puzzling. Wasn't Delta in Chapter 11 at the moment? Perhaps somebody can explain to me how
65 JFKLGANYC : I really wish AA would wake up at JFK. They built a billion dollar terminal to get their asses kicked by JetBlue domestically and Delta internationall
66 Zweed : It's a shame they didnt go to ARN
67 Airzim : Trust me DL is not making any decisions about ATL vs JFK because of Skyteam considerations. They're fighting for their existence and trying to make e
68 Post contains links Nlspot2004 : http://www.nlspot.fotopic.net/p21632574.html http://www1.airpics.com/showimg.php?imgid=47193
69 ARGinLON : The market is just overserved with CO, SAS and MA. You are spoiled with choice!
70 Post contains links FlyPNS1 : For those who like route maps: New routes: http://news.delta.com/images/MapB14Final.pdf Entire int'l route network: http://news.delta.com/images/MapA1
71 Panamair : Not necessarily true. Nothing remains constant and things (demographics, travel patterns, cost structure) change over time. There was no way that DL
72 Commavia : I think it's funny how on DL's pdf routemap about their international network, the title includes "Becoming America's Flag Carrier" even though, even
73 Airzim : I totally agree its a business, but they're also in bankruptcy. That's why I said people here put way too much weight on alliance relationships. DL i
74 MAH4546 : They also left out FLL-NAS and TPA-NAS, not like those are a big deal though. And poor Cincinnati...look at that only one green line to San Jose del
75 Post contains links Boysteve : The link below shows that the number of pax travelling transatlantic from MAN on scheduled airlines has increased by 20% over the last 12 months. www
76 Mariner : I agree. But how will it save Delta's skin? Several of the routes may operate profitably for perhaps three months of the year, if they're lucky. It l
77 N1120A : ATL-IST is just over 5000nm, that is well within the 763ER's range DL has 8 aircraft that have the range to operate that route (of course, they would
78 MAH4546 : They were close to announcing ATL-IST, from what I've heard, but it was canceled. No they didn't. They dropped LAX-MEX. Still fly LAX-GDL, daily.
79 JFKLGANYC : Can we buy a poster of that route map anywhere??? Absoluetely awesome! PJ
80 Airzim : Not sure. My guess is their grasping at straws. They just need to get cash in the door, what's another good way to do if they're not much left to cut
81 PITA333 : Well, I guess not now, but I really thought they could have gone the Lisbon route.
82 N1120A : Oh, sorry about that. I was recalling that AS applied for both routes, but that it was MEX where they replaced DL
83 BA747400 : I think that this route was opened primarily because of AA's success on the BOS-MAN route. As someone else on here said, traffic to MAN has increased
84 MAH4546 : Yup. AA was the one that dropped LAX-GDL and let AS into the market.
85 Dean : JFK-BUD by DL from 8-May-2006, 5 times / week, 763s mainly. MA currently operates JFK with NW codeshare. In the past, DL had some JFK-BUD flights with
86 Phil747 : LOL. Delta's new route map shows TLV at the head of the Nile Delta on the Med! Hope the pilots know to check the real location of TLV before they fly
87 N509JB : Really? Then why is delta the leading US carrier across the atlantic? Maybe you're not beating your little drum loud enough. In cause you haven't rea
88 Airzim : They've flown these markets before and pulled out including MAN, DUB, SNN, BUD. Nowhere did I say whim. They thought through SimpliFares and that has
89 Rwylie77 : I'm sorry but Phil 747 has a point! On the map in the UK they have: 1. South Hampton instead of Southampton 2. New Castle rather than Newcastle!! Ver
90 Panamair : Yes, but demographics, travel patterns, etc. change. If every airline based their decision on what they did 5 years ago, we would all still be flying
91 Airzim : Only because DL and NW want them there. Well that contradicts every economic analysis out there. Simplifares has been a disaster. Just ask Wall Stree
92 Jetdeltamsy : I don't agree. Delta has filed bankruptcy. I think that makes it clear that "business as usual" cannot continue. You are right that Delta and Contine
93 ARGinLON : You are wrong on this one. Most of the lowest fares to the U.S. ex Europe are initiated by DL and later matched by all other competitors. Just check
94 Lono : Again this is Delta's marketing team.... Which Grinstein himself said was the bad and needed fixing... I think DL needs to be very careful what they
95 Panamair : So, it was DL or NW that started charging $25-$40 one-way fares between NYC and BOS recently, huh? And I'm sure it was DL that started charging $299
96 Airzim : Nope, they are marketing relationships with linked FFP's. Some have anti-trust which involved revenue sharing but most do not. It has some small reve
97 N509JB : Evidence please, or are you just making stuff up? If you wouldn't fly an airline because of a errant space in a cities name, than I'm sorry, but noth
98 Post contains links Airzim : Funny I was thinking the same about you. The only rebuttal you've had is smart ass remarks. There's a big difference between selective price matching
99 Panamair : This is going off-topic here...BUT, to get some last words in on fare structure and Simplifares.....This legacy model may only last for a short perio
100 LXsaab2000 : Look at DL internet site , the first 764 to Europe seems to go for the next summer on : - new ATL-SNN - new JFK-MAN - 2nd ATL-FCO - new JFK-DUB/SNN So
101 RobertS975 : DL will be converting a total of 8 767-400s for their new Eurropean routes, as per an article in the NYT quoted earlier today. Here's an interesting
102 Positiverate : These "new" int'l routes remind me of all the excitement when DL first took over PA's Europe operation. They had some great routings back then. My fav
103 Sparkingwave : Delta's plan to expand internationally into Europe sounds ambitious and admirable. But... Transatlantic Europe is a fickle market, weak during the win
104 N509JB : Give me something worth arguing about and you'll get more than that. Pamam, don't bother with him. Your points are well thought out, and tested in re
105 Airzim : Nope wrong again. Several economic studies including MIT Flight Transportation Laboratory, Columbia University, and the University of Wyoming can't d
106 Commavia : American's Value Pricing was not an "utter failure." It was actually very popular with customers and was working. It only failed because Northwest su
107 Slider : The market is too small and already overserved, arguably. Good point- DL will have to undercut fares to fill up an aircraft that is too big for the p
108 ORD : In a Aviation Week article dated 9/21/93, Crandall directly states his value pricing plan was a failure. It did not fail because Northwest (and Conti
109 Positiverate : Stir the pot much? The fact is that DL made the smart move by putting a bullet into Pan Am II, because they were burning through cash at an alarming
110 Commavia : ORD -- I have discussed Value Pricing with both the men you mention in post 108. They both have a bit of a different view of the situation than the pi
111 Richierich : Hey NRK, whats with the name change? And why do you have a JetBlue tail number as your username? BTW, I like the new routes announced and I hope it w
112 Jetdeltamsy : Where do you get your expertise? You don't know what you're talking about. Just for the sake of proving you wrong, I priced a few markets to show tha
113 Airzim : Well you have proved absolutely nothing. But thanks for sharing this information. You cannot prove a point but taking a snapshot on one flight, at a
114 Rwylie77 : I'm sorry, but it's not just a space error! They DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE CITY THEY ARE FLYING TO!!! How would you feel if British Airways announce
115 Klwright69 : Hopefully we can get back on the topic.... This is an ambitious set of new routes. I am glad that someone else pointed out that Europe can be a tricky
116 SparkingWave : It may have been smart for Delta, but it was extremely dumb in the first place to buy Pan Am's European network minus LHR. - Circa 1991-92, Delta los
117 Boysteve : I'm sorry N509JB but that is just a stupid attitude and the 'Get a Life' comment completely unnecessary. Not being able to spell the cities that Delt
118 Panamair : Actually, it wasn't like Delta had a choice. Pan Am's LHR operations were already sold to UA by the time the rest of the European ops came up for sal
119 SparkingWave : Sorry to nitpick. Delta could have opted not to buy Pan Am's transatlantic network. Of course, they didn't realize that they would lose so much money
120 Post contains images B777-700 : Um, yes they do, settle down little soldier. Um, I'd really couldn't possibly give less than a shit. I think it would go something like this: (settin
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