Kiwiandrew From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 3912 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1334 times:
Hi CamAir
UA did for a while operate around the world ex the US via LHR DEL HKG I think it was dropped even before Sept 11.
I think TW had an RTW flight a long long time ago - say perhaps early '70s
UTA used to have a flight that went 3/4 around the world before turning round and going back the same way - don't remember the exact routing but something like PAR-???-CMB-SIN-SYD-NOU-AKL-PPT-LAX
needless to say I don't think that anyone who boarded at CDG was still on the plane when it arrived in LAX !
If the rumours are correct and NZ start an AKL-HKG-LHR flight next year then they will offer RTW service in combination with their existing AKL-LAX-LHR flight.
There has also been a rumour of EK extending at least one of their AKL flights transpacific to either LAX/SFO or BUE and from there back to DXB - not too sure how true the rumours are - you can never tell with EK
QF years ago had a couple of RTW flights - again I am pretty sure these were dropped by the time of the first big Oil crisis back in the early '70s
I don't think there is really any need for such flights anymore as the big global alliances can offer far more variety in RTW itineraries than any one airline can on it's own.
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Carduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1551 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1274 times:
BOAC operated the only true Around the World flight service, flying a complete circumnavigation. I used to be 707 Cabin Crew, and the RTW trips were all I did for three years from '63 to '66. They all were a 21 day roster with 10 days off!
BA910/911 - LHR JFK SFO HNL TYO HKG etc, through various Asian and Middle Eastern calls, and v/v.
Whilst advertised as a RTW service, PA did not fly the NYC SFO/LAX domestic routing, so not really a RTW!
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PA110 From United States, joined Dec 2003, 1894 posts, RR: 27 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1247 times:
Quoting CamAir (Thread starter): NYC-LON-FRA-DEL-HKG-TYO-LAX v.V? Or am I completely wrong..
Carduelis brings up a very good point. Even after PA acquired domestic routes, it never closed the transcon gap with their RTW flights.
However to answer your specific question with regard to routing of PA001/002, PA001 was the the transpacific originating westbound flight, and PA002 was the transatlantic originating eastbound flight.
it also really depends on what decade you're referring to. For instance in the mid-70's, PA001/002 stopped in THR between FRA and DEL.
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Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7029 posts, RR: 40 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
Yeah the routing of PA1 and 2 was a real terrorist express, across to pond to Old Europe, no probs, then Beirut, Tehran, Karachi. Imagine Delta or Continental flying that route nowadays. I believe PA1 and 2 were routed through Saigon for a while as well.
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PA110 From United States, joined Dec 2003, 1894 posts, RR: 27 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1152 times:
Quoting Azstar (Reply 5): w JFK-LHR-FRA-IST-BEY-THR-DEL-
No, I believe you are confusing PA002 with PA110 which flew JFK-ROM-IST- and then routed either via ANK, BEY, AMM, or DAM before proceeding to THR depending on the day of the week. I knew this flight very well (my username)!
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 6): then Beirut, Tehran, Karachi. Imagine Delta or Continental flying that route nowadays. I believe PA1 and 2 were routed through Saigon for a while as well.
I think back in the early 60's when this flight was operated by a 707.
[Edited 2005-10-18 16:41:11]
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BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3022 posts, RR: 18 Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1145 times:
Hi CamAir and welcome to a.net.
Members were discussing the routes with the most stops a few months back and PA001 and PA002 was covered several times, so have a look at the archived thread Airline Route With The Most Stops Today And Past? (by Soundtrack Mar 19 2005 in Civil Aviation)
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Clipper002 From United States, joined Aug 2004, 648 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 904 times:
With all due respect to PA110, PA002 did indeed route via FRA/IST/BEY/THR and then various stops to LAX Flights 114 and 119 operated JFK/ORY/FCO/ and then either IST/ANK or BEY/THR and return depending on the day of the week. This is from the employee timetable of April 27th, 1969.
There have been other threads on this subject, but to reflect just a little bit, the flights were operated by a 707 in a 32/94 config. On the Eastbound trips, the a/c was brought out of a maintenance check at JFK early in the morning and then operated Flights 132/133 JFK/BDA/JFK. This gave maintenance approximately 2 1/2 hours to rectify any writeups before the plane was dispatched to LHR and begin its' 2 1/2 day journey. There was a short time following the talkeover of NA that a DC-10 did operate the flight between LAX and JFK but that was very short lived.
Timz From United States, joined Sep 1999, 4809 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 807 times:
Sure-- but it probably wasn't part of a RTW flight by that time.
Quoting Carduelis (Reply 3): BOAC operated the only true Around the World flight service, flying a complete circumnavigation.
Except for TW (maybe, in 1969), PA (circa 1976) and UA (in 2001). And conceivably JL, tho unlikely. BOAC's flight included a night stop (or two?), which the other flights didn't.
Quoting Carduelis (Reply 3): Whilst advertised as a RTW service, PA did not fly the NYC SFO/LAX domestic routing, so not really a RTW!
I can't check now, but I think it was the late 1960s that PA started flying across the US-- they just couldn't carry domestic passengers.
Milesrich From United States, joined Jul 2003, 714 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 688 times:
Pan Am did not fly from JFK to LAX/SFO before deregulation because no eastbound passengers could board in California, even if their destination was Europe or beyond, and no westbound passengers could at JFK even if their destination was TYO. Pan Am also had that trip stop at HNL before the 747's, and they had rights from HNL to SFO/LAX/PDX/SEA, but they could not carry passengers to HNL that boarded east of those destinations. They had to fly a domestic carriers (UA,TW,AA or NW) to the west coast and connect. Oh the crazy restrictions such as, UA could only carry passengers between ORD and MKC/MCI, and between MKC/MCI and DEN, if the passenger was ticketed beyond DEN OR ORD to a city served by United. That meant a passenger could fly UA MCI-ORD and then EA ORD-MIA since MIA was served by UA, but not to FLL since prior to deregulation UA did not serve FLL, just TPA, PBI, JAX, and MIA in Florida. Oh the rules. Another screwy restriction was that when UA served Ogden, UT, it could not carry any local traffic to SLC, unless the passenger was ticketed beyond SLC.
Positiverate From United States, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 634 times:
Quoting Azstar (Reply 5): During the early to mid 70's PA2 flew JFK-LHR-FRA-IST-BEY-THR-DEL-BKK-HKG-SFO. PA1 originated in SFO and repeated the route westbound.
Was it same plane service along the entire route? OR did pax have to change planes at some point?
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3022 posts, RR: 18 Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 534 times:
Quoting Positiverate (Reply 15): Was it same plane service along the entire route? OR did pax have to change planes at some point?
AFAIK the flights commenced at JFK in both directions, and the same plane was used until it arrived back at JFK 2½days later (unless it went tech en route) - see Reply 10 for some additional information.
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