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Coex Applies For LAX-SJD  
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

ExpressJet to use 50-seat RJ's if approved.

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=356854&docketid=22766

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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

I think some of the routes they fly out of LAX warrant a 50 seater. But SJD is a big leisure market...can they make money with only 50 seats??

User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Moreover, would they be approved offering only a 50-seat RJ when other carriers want to bring mainline equipment to the route?


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6196 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3269 times:

Shouldn't take Alaska long to snuff this out. I just don't see taking a ERJ/CRJ vs. a 737/MD80. Specially if it comes down to the same price.

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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

This will come down to Continental brand loyalty. CO carries alot of people from S. Cal to Mexico/Latin America via Houston--I think they are aiming at the OnePassers that are local to L.A. Even still--they can get miles on AS with CO too right? I don't know the game plan on this one--a 733 makes more sense.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 1):
But SJD is a big leisure market...can they make money with only 50 seats??

Sure they can make money, but they cannot offer the same fares as the other carriers on the route that use larger aircraft. Additionally, SJD is a high yield leisure market that actually sells the forward cabin and CO would not be offering that. Price sensitive consumers, on the other hand, would not be able to get as good a price from CO as they can from AA or AS simply on CASM and economies of scale. I really don't see how they can give this to CO, given that LAX's hub carrier is applying to operate the route with mainline aircraft and even HP/US is planning on running an A320 if they get the route

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 4):
I don't know the game plan on this one--a 733 makes more sense.

The issue is that CO can't do with a 733 what they do with the ERJ's on the other Mexico routes. They would have to base a 733 in LAX, which would raise the costs of the route, as opposed to just turning an ERJ off of an IAH flight

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 4):
Even still--they can get miles on AS with CO too right?

Sure, but why not just get them on Alaska, particularly when they fly aircraft with more seats, first class and can offer a cheaper price on CASM

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 4):
This will come down to Continental brand loyalty. CO carries alot of people from S. Cal to Mexico/Latin America via Houston--I think they are aiming at the OnePassers that are local to L.A.

OnePass is weak in the L.A. area as compares to MileagePlus, AAdvantage and even World Perks and BA Executive Club from what I have seen.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

I just don't see COEX getting this route. UAL will probably snatch it up...

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13752 posts, RR: 61
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3074 times:
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I love CO - but if HP couldn't make this route work with regional jets, I doubt they can. Besides, as others have mentioned CO would have no feed and would rely on this market solely on O&D numbers alone.

UA will get the route authority, hands-down.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Well, this will be a "midnight" flight I assume, which is what I understand Mexicans prefer. While other carriers will be doing daytime leisure flights, this flight will be for Mexican/LAX residents like the other 5 they run, all ERJ145s leaving after midnight. Those other flights do well, even with the larger competition. At least that's what I've been told.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 7):
but if HP couldn't make this route work with regional jets

HP hasn't flown this market. AA and AS have had the two designations for a while now, IIRC.



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 7):
I love CO - but if HP couldn't make this route work with regional jets, I doubt they can.

When exactly did HP fly this route with regional jets?  Confused

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 7):
UA will get the route authority, hands-down.

I don't think it's that obvious. CO is offering the only daily year-round service. I do UA will get it, but it'll be close.



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