XA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5007 times:
... Once the new LCC´s that are mushrooming in Mexico establish an adequate marketbase and achieve some 70pc PLF, I would like to estimate a dramatic increase in pax numbers for MEX and other airports in the next five years.
With the introduction of T2 at MEX in 2006, the " Benito Juarez International " could easily be handling 30 to 33 million pax by the year 2010.
... It´s going to be the never ending MEX-SAO duel !
No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
PPSMA From Brazil, joined Aug 2005, 157 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4878 times:
AMS is ranked 9th, with 42.541.180M passengers in 2004, and in Europe it´s only behind LHR, CDG (51.260.363M) and FRA (51.098.271M).
What´s really interesting is that the gap between CDG and FRA is not so big whereas between FRA (8th) and AMS (9th) there´s an almost 9M difference.
Reply 7, posted Thu Oct 20 2005 10:10:55 UTC+2 and read 39 times:
Please, where's the source I can't find it on their website. I have been looking for this data for over a year, PLEASE, a source, thanks
I got this information from the September´s issue of Airliner World magazine. I also tried to find it on their webpage ( http://www.aci-europe.org/ - media room) but one must be a journalist to get a password to have access to the data. So, it´s now up to you to figure out what´s the easiest way to get it.
Intothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4845 times:
Quoting PPSMA (Reply 8): but one must be a journalist to get a password to have access to the data. So, it´s now up to you to figure out what´s the easiest way to get it.
I had a funny feeling that this would happen, could you be kind enough to tell me where Jakarta(CGK), DPS and KUL rank and how many million pax. they have, Unfortunately I can only view the top 30 largest airports on Earth.
Thanks in advance.
Flyingbabydoc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4803 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11): Correct, AMS is the 4th busiest airport in Europe, but in quality level AMS is the best airport in Europe (together with CPH and MUC) and much superior to its competitors CDG, FRA and LHR.
Couldn't agree more. What a difference to connect internationally from AMS compared to LHR or FRA. I like MUC though, with that cool design and neatness. I think MUC has a lot of potential to grow, it might surprise some in the future.
Kahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4784 times:
Quoting PPSMA (Thread starter): If anyone´s noticed, adding up traffic volume of both GRU and CGH would result in over 27M , thus placing Sao Paulo on top of MEX and ahead of SYD, ranking 32nd in the world´s list!!!
That certainly says something about this country, huh?
Nice to see that we are now comparing what aiports are the best in terms of passenger movements.
What are the combined figures for:
Milan - Bergamo, Linate, Malpensa
London - Gatwick, Heathrow, City, Stansted
Paris - Orly, Charles de Gaulle
New York - Newark, La Guardia, JFK
Dallas - Ft. Worth, Love
Los Angeles - Ontario, Orange County, Burbank, LAX, Long Beach
Tokyo - Narita, Haneda
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4707 times:
Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 15): I didn´t know São Paulo had 190 million inhabitants... There are other airports in Brazil as well, just check.
In fact, there is no correlation between population size and airport traffic. Look at the exemples of Singapore, Hong Kong, Dubai to name just a few; or even AMS and FRA. On the contrary, if we would follow your reasoning the biggest airport in the world would not be ATL but (in order) NRT, MEX, DEL and ICN!
AdamWright From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4678 times:
Just side note:
When you are comparing populations, don't go by the City Population. That only includes people residing INSIDE the City Limits. Its better to take a look at the population of the Metro Area. That includes all the suburbs and piggyback cities that grow off of the major city.
Atlanta's City Population is 430,000 People
Atlatna's Metro Population is roughly 4,247,981 People.
Pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4654 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6): BSB or GIG would certainly come in the list next year as 4th.
Don't be so sure. SJU (11m) and CUN (10m) handled more traffic than BSB (9.9m) or GIG (6.5) in 2004 and there is no reason to think that CUN will stop growing. There is a huge gap between GIG and BSB, even BOG (7.6) is currently larger than GIG. Despite the tremendous growth that GIG could see during 2005, I do not expect it to overcome SJU or CUN, may be only BOG.
So, Hardiwv,my recommendation as always, do not think that the world reduces to Brazil.
Right. But if you combine GIG+SDU, will produce a 13 million pax in 2005, expected to grow to 16 million on 2006. Infraero start to "bargain" with Tam, Gol and Varig: new slots for CGH need to transfer flights to GIG or CNF. That's one of the reason Gol and Tam will begin more than 20 new services from GIG.
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 22): Brazil's top 10 airports, 2005 data (JAN-JUL/05)
CGH: 11.1 mil
GRU: 10.4 mil
With more 3.6 million on august, SAO airports are expected to get 30 million by this week.
Footnote: Brazilian airlines nowadays do not show a huge point-to-point service, Sao Paulo become the top hub just because of this (there are no services North-South, Norheast-South and only 3 BSB-south flights). SAO keeps at least 7.5 million pax as connections (South-SAO, SAO-Northeast).
Without strong competitors with different operational patterns, we keep sending millions to two airports with some restrictions (both keeps only one operational runway, are overcrowded on several days of the week, and do not keep much perspective of improvements as only GRU could receive a new terminal and short runway). Just to complete, SAO system capacity is declared as 32 million with GRU T3! The number in 2005 will be probably 37 million !
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
: Well, I know combined all 3 airports was over 90 million passengers. LUV4JFK
: Hardi, Right. Normally I would place it in US list. But now I deliverately included it in the LatAm ranking just to annoy you a little. XA744, I do no
: What about all London area airports combined (LHR, LGW, Stansted and LCY)? I assume this would become the biggest metro area air traffic movement in
: It does or certainly used to but for International Passengers (including passengers to and from other EU member countries). Only roughly? It does see
: Brasuca, Chill out, amigão! I was just teasing our friends! However that's no lie: not EZE nor AEP are in the list and that means that up to now the
: = Hardi ... ignore Pzurita's comments. He is slightly anti-Brazil/India/China/Russia (the BRICs) and still fuming that Mexico is not considered to ha
: Hey Pzurita1, Are you REALLY from Bhutan? I love simm-flying out of PARO airport...it's a kick! Now how about Abrelosojos' comments? Is it true you su
: Abrelosojos, I thought we had a rational discussion last time about the paper by Goldman Sachs introducing the concept of BRICs, but I never included
: Do I only think about Brazil? What's the problem with the BRICS? Maybe you are from Egypt and you are hurt because your country is left out? Tks for
: THanks! I think GDL would be bigger, seems that MEX is also the big hub as SAO airports. Felipe
: = Yes, you were very civil about our BRIC discussion and I dont think you have racist diseases ... HOWEVER, I do think you are anti-BRIC ... and I am
: Going back to the topic, i.e. GRU. GRU handles daily about 44 different aircraft types, e.g. Airbus, Boeing, Fokker, MD-11, ATR-42, Iliushin, and oper
: Hardi, GRU will be hardly hitted by the upgrade on BRA operation (i.e. from charter to regular). They obtain (i don't know how!) slots at CGH and ann
: What airline operates russian aircraft to GRU? I know SU used to, but it has some time they've dropped this route. Not to count the general aviation
: Cubana is the only one I know of that still does. Consider every 200/300/400/500/600/700/800 out there (Boeing and Airbus), plus Embraer (110 & 120),
: And Cubana doesn't fly to Brazil anymore. I think he didn't mean Russian aircraft are regular there, but they do fly sometimes non-scheduled flights.
: Forgot about that... Don't think the F100 has the range for that. They probably lease a B737/B757 from someone to do it. edit: unless they make a fue
: Without cargo, only tourists, I think it's ok for the F100. CVC works with TAM only. So I think it's very unlikely they'd lease Boeings anywhere else
: CVC does not use TAM to HAV, but COPA's regular schedule! Domenico
: GRU operates 400 landings/take-offs....if BRA drops GRU (max 25 flights) it wont affect the airport. On the contrary, BRA handles low-yielding pax an
: Please don't fool yourself. You KNOW that Sao Paulo is NOT Singapore, Hong Kong or Dubai, and is not even close to them, as no south american city is
: And Sao Paulo is not Lagos, Seoul, Mexico City and New Dheli! The point is that Argentina has NOT a population of 190 million...so please STOP DREAMI
: Btw, as said above, Brazil has not only one airport, GRU. Here are the top 10 airports in Brazil, 2005 (Jan-Jul)... Brazil's top 10 airports, 2005 dat
: LHR is the number one airport in the world for international traffic. It also gets far more of its passenger numbers from O&D that ATL does The Los A
: Indeed, I forgot Luton. Here is the metro area traffic movement provided by our Mexican friend Pzuira1: 1. London: 117M (LHR, LGW, STN, LTN, LCY) 2.
: Lan_Fanatic, Dear Mr. Mad, why do you happen to be so primitive? Problems at home? Don't fool yourself! So do you think population is inflexibly relat
: Actually, it's time to wake up. Then there is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in comparing SAO and BUE's traffic as PPSMA tried to do. And about Chile becoming a
: We all know that.....so STOP DREAMING! We know you envy Brazil... LanFanatic is known here for creating trouble and having problems with all other So