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Alpha One Airways Nears Launch  
User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8470 times:

Hey,

Well, Alpha One Airways had supposed to start operations flying a short college hop but it appears that this has probably flopped. It looks as though they will be flying Southampton-Isle of Man. New routes are to be announced this Monday and flights will start on the Southampton-->Isle of Man Route on 7th November with fares from £99 excluding Taxes and Charges.

Website: http://www.flyalpha1.com/

Thanks
Mike

EDIT: I am aware of a Topic underway about Southampton changes but I am just mentioning waht they are doing, in very little detail  

[Edited 2005-10-20 23:08:57]

[Edited 2005-10-20 23:09:33]

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User currently offlinePlanesailing From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8434 times:

I said in the other thread, but I will say here aswell.

Any idea on an aircraft type?


User currently offlineYak97 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8386 times:

Looking at the schedule it looks like an IOM based aircraft? If they are to get going by Nov it has to be somebodyelse's aircraft (Flykeen?). Also the company name is now Alpha One (Manx) Ltd. I wonder if they are trying to pull the same trick as Euromanx did when it started with it being a "ticket provider"?

User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8386 times:

hmm, i am not sure but a Beech 1900D was mentioned a while back but i'd assume a larger aircraft now if EDI and MAN are to be served.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2224 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8363 times:

Didn't he originally want to fly between Cambridge and Oxford.

Funny that he didn't stick to the original business plan.


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8358 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 3):
hmm, i am not sure but a Beech 1900D was mentioned a while back but i'd assume a larger aircraft now if EDI and MAN are to be served.

Thanks
Mike

A few aircraft types have been mentioned, but you managed to miss them all, B1900s aren't one of them. J31s most recently and Piper Najavos have been mentioned, EDI has never been mentioned as a destination either though.  Confused


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8293 times:

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 4):

That was the route.

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 5):

Ahh yes, it was J-31's. I could remember what it was to be honest and a J-31 was running through my mind.

Also, EDI was mentioned as a possible route. I never said they were flying in, but there is a possibility in the near future.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8288 times:
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Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
Also, EDI was mentioned as a possible route. I never said they were flying in, but there is a possibility in the near future.

I don't recall EDI ever being mentioned as a possible route. I could be wrong though.

Could there be any connection to Euromanx here?

-Gofly  Smile



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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8245 times:

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 4):
Didn't he originally want to fly between Cambridge and Oxford.

Funny that he didn't stick to the original business plan.

That's right, and then he changed his mind in favour of LTN/BRS/BHX and MAN to the Isle of Wight. This seemed like a good proposition to me.


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8150 times:

Wish him well, but I'm always a little concerned about start-ups which radically alter key aspects of their business as they get nearer to the 'off'.

Last-minute changes of routes, airports and aircraft has rarely been a good sign for a new airline - I hope the business plan isn't as jumpy and ad hoc as it appears.


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8149 times:

He probably realised that the intended route wasn't going to pay. It is like putting a B747 on an Edinburgh-Glasgow route, barely anyone would use it therfore go bust within a matter of a few months. If he were to use a J-31 on the intended route, then he'd only have aobut 2 or 3 PAX per flight. Not worth it  Smile

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8112 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 10):
It is like putting a B747 on an Edinburgh-Glasgow route

 Confused


User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8073 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 10):
He probably realised that the intended route wasn't going to pay

Nah, it was a simple case of new investors insisting on other routes.



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User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8048 times:

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 11):

I was trying to imply that route wouldn't pay, just like the first route the guy wanted.

Quoting GARPD (Reply 12):

New investors, do you know who?

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 13):

New investors, do you know who?

I don't know specifics.
Martin, the guy behind it all, has told me a few things. I'm not allowed to repeat them here, as I'm sure you'll understand.

Needless to say, new investors are on the scene, hence the dramatic change in tactics.



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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7988 times:

Will be interested in seeing the two new routes which will be announced, together with the website launch in Monday.

As the aircraft appears to be IOM based, perhaps a fourth carrier on the high density IOM-MAN?  Wink

Any guesses? IOM-............?



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7447 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7943 times:
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Quoting GARPD (Reply 14):
I'm not allowed to repeat them here, as I'm sure you'll understand

Exactly why should we believe anything he says or does? If he said Saturday follows Friday, I'd want a 2nd opinion.

David


User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7891 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 16):
Exactly why should we believe anything he says or does? If he said Saturday follows Friday, I'd want a 2nd opinion.

David

That is of course your prerogative.

But let me be clear in saying that, although I know precisely whats going on, I'm not saying anything is certain. In this industry there is no such thing.

The investors are in place. The plans have been drawn up and followed, everything, mostly everything, is in place. Just a few rough edges to trim and neaten up and AlphaOne should be good to go.

[Edited 2005-10-22 14:09:39]


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User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 967 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7870 times:

Good job the wesbite is only temporary as it seems to imply that people would rather jump off a cliff than fly SOU-IOM for fares of £99+*.  Smile

* excluding taxes and charges


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7849 times:

Quoting GARPD (Reply 17):
Just a few rough edges to trim and neaten up and AlphaOne should be good to go.

I'll be amazed if they succeed. Our market is saturated at the moment. BE, T3 and 3W look after the business traffic pretty much, and U2, WW, LS et al, cover this and the leisure market too. Lets not even mention BD or BA either. For Alpha1 to succeed they will need something very different.

I'm not sure they can compete with small prop aircraft. If they start a service to a 'new' destination, I'd expect T3 and BE to muscle in and start similar operations in the not too distant future. Especially if thee is even a hint of success. IF that happens, it'll be bye-bye for Alpha1.


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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7843 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 19):
I'll be amazed if they succeed. Our market is saturated at the moment. BE, T3 and 3W look after the business traffic pretty much, and U2, WW, LS et al, cover this and the leisure market too. Lets not even mention BD or BA either. For Alpha1 to succeed they will need something very different.

I'm not sure they can compete with small prop aircraft. If they start a service to a 'new' destination, I'd expect T3 and BE to muscle in and start similar operations in the not too distant future. Especially if thee is even a hint of success. IF that happens, it'll be bye-bye for Alpha1.

You could be right. Then again, you could be wrong.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7447 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7779 times:
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Quoting GARPD (Reply 17):
The plans have been drawn up and followed, everything, mostly everything, is in place

Which plans are these? Plan A, Plan B, Plan C or any of the intervening plans upto Plan Z? He's giving bmi a good run for their money over which airline can come up with the most business strategies in a year.

David


User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7776 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 21):
Which plans are these? Plan A, Plan B, Plan C or any of the intervening plans upto Plan Z? He's giving bmi a good run for their money over which airline can come up with the most business strategies in a year.

Lets see you run an airline and see how tight you can stick to your original plan shale we?
Things change, the industry is always in motion. Rules and regulations change constantly, investors pull out, new ones come in.
Nothing is certain in this industry.

Once you have a running airline under your wing, then you have the right to question the competence of others. Untill then your nothing but an armchair CEO and have zero authority to call into question the competence of anyone who has the balls to try what Martin is doing.



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7772 times:

To be fair to the guy, at least he hasn't started and THEN changed plans. The industry what it is, I'd imagine it being very tough to get into even in a niche market such as Alpha1 intended to serve.


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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7767 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 23):
The industry what it is, I'd imagine it being very tough to get into even in a niche market such as Alpha1 intended to serve.

This is my point. He started off with a very good plan. But the industry is hard. Things changed and neccessitated Martin changing along with them.
Finaly, it seems he's got ahead and now has a foothold.



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25 Post contains links EurostarVA : One of them is Mr. Mohammad Moinuddin, a Dubai-based hotel tycoon, who is putting USD 441,400. This is according to a Zawya.com news article found he
26 Backfire : Any truth in the rumour I've heard that an Oxford-based investor (namely Sir Richard B himself) has also chucked money into this?
27 Mhodgson : Interestingly, (the site isn't up yet), if you go into the T&Cs on the website, and click on the headings, you are transferred to the Euromanx website
28 Dogfighter2111 : It is Euromanx that are operating, if you look to the bottom it says: "©2005, Alpha One [Manx] Ltd" and "AlphaOne Airways Flights are operated by Lon
29 Mandala499 : Blimey! I thought you were talking about A1 that runs from Cairo VOR to Dean's Cross in Scotland... Mandala499
30 Yak97 : The Terms & Conditions are obviously taken from another operator (Euromanx?) and just the name changed. And they can't even do that properly as in som
31 Gg190 : There have been interviews on 3FM news (local radio station) with Martin Halstead, with him saying he can make the route work. He said Euromanx were g
32 Skymonster : Aha! So the other spotter in the "two plane spotters and an artist" who comprise AlphaOne's glee-club (as mentioned on PPRuNe) reveals himself. GARPD
33 Post contains images Gkirk : Perhaps he should get a job with BMI Good luck to the guy anyway though
34 Post contains images Skymonster : At least BMI management deliver on their plans, even if they're strange plans! Marting Halstead would make a good apprentice daft-ideas man for BMI t
35 Post contains links David_itl : At long last BLK now seems to have been informed of this airline's intentions! From http://www.blackpooltoday.co.uk/View...spx?SectionID=63&ArticleID
36 Backfire : It's perhaps telling that the serious aviation press doesn't seem to be biting. But then I heard the young fellow on Sky the other day, claiming that
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