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Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!  
User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

Virgin Nigeria is to inaugurate flights between Lagos and Johannesburg on November 25. This in addition to Douala which starts on October 25. The schedules are posted on http://www.africanflyer.com/

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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4036 times:

You are welcome to G-VBUS and its sister ships, we have had enough of them in DEL and BOM. Good luck.

User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Passengers connecting from Accra, Douala and PHC have at least 5-6 hours wait in Lagos


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 2):
Passengers connecting from Accra, Douala and PHC have at least 5-6 hours wait in Lagos

Is the connect time in Lagos as bad as the checkin time?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Is the connect time in Lagos as bad as the checkin time?

Not sure. i think check in opens 3houes be4 departure and closes 1 hour before



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User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

5 HOURS?YIKES!!!!!!!!!! that's as bad as emirates flights!

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 2175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

I'm sure they are just going after the local traffic. No need to go target connecting when there is plenty of demand from Lagos to Jo'burg.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

how good is their connection from London via LOS hub to JNB and vice versa?

[Edited 2005-10-22 04:59:55]

User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
how good is their connection from London via LOS hub to JNB and vice versa?

A connection to London does not even look like it is under consideration. At least 6-8 hours between the flights, both ways. I would not expect VS to create an airline that would compete with it either, since it already operates on LHR-JNB. I also think that VK's priority is getting a good handle on local traffic.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3568 times:
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Quoting AF022 (Reply 6):
I'm sure they are just going after the local traffic. No need to go target connecting when there is plenty of demand from Lagos to Jo'burg.

I can guarantee you that SA will not rest on its laurels on this route. They will have a close watch over their market share, currently servicing the JNB-LOS-JNB route 4x times weekly with B744's. IMHO VK will be having a tough time.


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SA7700



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 9):
urrently servicing the JNB-LOS-JNB route 4x times weekly

2 of those flights carry on to ABJ



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3460 times:
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Quoting Soups (Reply 10):
2 of those flights carry on to ABJ

Thanks Soups


Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

If SAA wanted to increase capacity they can dedicate lagos its 4th weekly flights. SAA tried to go daily (to LOS and ACC) but Nigerian and Ghanaian gvt refused the application.
ABJ used to be served via ACC. When the IAD flight stopped in ACC. ABJ received a 2 weekly 737 service.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

I suppose they have to fly somewhere, seeing as they been banned in the US  Smile

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 2175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 12):
If SAA wanted to increase capacity they can dedicate lagos its 4th weekly flights. SAA tried to go daily (to LOS and ACC) but Nigerian and Ghanaian gvt refused the application.

Aren't all three of these governments signatories to the Yamassoukro Agreement? I thought there was open skies in Africa for African carriers.


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 14):
I thought there was open skies in Africa for African carriers.

Nigeria have an open sky with the USA. take a look at CO and VK story! open sky are just to minimise the paper work in my point of view



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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 9):

I can guarantee you that SA will not rest on its laurels on this route. They will have a close watch over their market share, currently servicing the JNB-LOS-JNB route 4x times weekly with B744's. IMHO VK will be having a tough time.

I don't think VK would have much of a hard time, especially considering the fact that it is on its way of becoming a household name, as it grows as a Nigerian airline. It already has barriers to expanding at LOS, and I have a feeling that this will remain until such time that VK gains some foot hold.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 14):
Yamassoukro Agreement

Ha!


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 2175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 16):
Ha!

"Ha!" as in I can't spell Yamosoooookro, or "Ha!" the agreement is a joke?


User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 9):
I can guarantee you that SA will not rest on its laurels on this route. They will have a close watch over their market share, currently servicing the JNB-LOS-JNB route 4x times weekly with B744's. IMHO VK will be having a tough time.

I disagree because this market is severely underserved. As someone put it, Virgin Nigeria will 'mop up' the market and ensure supply exceeds demand on the route.

Meanwhile, Virgin Nigeria is charging significantly lower fares. I don't think they will find it 'tough' competing on the Johannesburg route. In fact, I believe JNB could be their most profitable route in the coming year.

Watch out for Dakar (Senegal) and Kano (Nigeria) which will come online before or around Christmas time! By year end their route network will include:

Nigeria: Lagos, Abuja, Kano, Port Harcourt
Regional: Accra, Douala, Dakar
Long haul: Johannesburg, London Gatwick



If there is a will, there is a way
User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 17):

"Ha!" as in I can't spell Yamosoooookro, or "Ha!" the agreement is a joke?

Spelling was right Big grin


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3140 times:
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Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 18):
I disagree because this market is severely underserved. As someone put it, Virgin Nigeria will 'mop up' the market and ensure supply exceeds demand on the route.

Meanwhile, Virgin Nigeria is charging significantly lower fares. I don't think they will find it 'tough' competing on the Johannesburg route. In fact, I believe JNB could be their most profitable route in the coming year.

Well we will have to wait and see. I just see it like this and I may be wrong: If Nigeria is not willing to grant South Africa extra frequencies, they can expect the same treatment - meaning VK will still have only 3x weekly services (IIRC)with A343's. Yes, it may become their most profitable route, but at what price? SA fly B744's into LOS with quite a few seats extra in Y-class, as well as offering a 3 class layout. Economies of scale also comes to mind.


Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3126 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 20):
f Nigeria is not willing to grant South Africa extra frequencies, they can expect the same treatment

The only carriers to benefit from this are Ethiopian Airlines, Kenya Airlines, Cameroon Airlines and Hewa Bora.



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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

btw: the first Virgin Nigeria Boeing 737-300 is in Shannon (full colors).

User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 20):
Well we will have to wait and see. I just see it like this and I may be wrong: If Nigeria is not willing to grant South Africa extra frequencies, they can expect the same treatment - meaning VK will still have only 3x weekly services (IIRC)with A343's.

a) don't know whether each airline was granted 4x frequency, since SA operates 4 and VK operates 3.

b) SA shares the route with ABJ, hence the limitations on seats.

c) if SA is given more frequencies while VK is still young and new on the route, the success of the latter will be somewhat challenged by a well established competitor. So these restrictions are to VK's advantage either way.


User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

SA7700 wrote:
...meaning VK will still have only 3x weekly services (IIRC)with A343's.

Let us keep one thing in mind. The Nigerian government applied comman sense and avoided the allocation of daily frequencies to SAA for the simple reason of protecting its embryonic Virgin Nigeria and maximizing its prospects.

Once both VK and SA are on the route and stablized, we can expect both parties to exchange unlimited frequencies.



If there is a will, there is a way
25 Post contains images EurostarVA : VIASA, do you have a link to the photo? I believe the a/c is registered 5N-VNA
26 Post contains links and images Viasa : Here is a picture
27 Soups : Looks clean for a change
28 Post contains images PlaneFreaknATL : The livery actually looks pretty sharp on this one! Still think ol' Richard should give up the red, and let them paint the tail in green!
29 Soups : green and red :chirstmas colours....
30 EurostarVA : Looks indeed very sharp! But is this the same 5N-VNA bird before it got the new Nigerian registration or the 2nd aircraft to be repainted?
31 ETStar : Is it just me or does the green on the 733 appear to be darker? At any rate, it looks nicer, especially since the 'craft is shorter and makes for less
32 Post contains links and images B742 : Actualy the aircraft is currently registered as N306FL! First Virgin Nigeria 737-300 - First Pics (by B742 Oct 24 2005 in Civil Aviation) Rob!
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