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PTV's What Is The Big Deal  
User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6244 times:
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I remember as a kid flying all over the world with my family. The rare and unique opportunity being a child in the Armed Forces system. I have had the opportunity to live in Germany and Japan. So I have traveled immensly. I have traveled both civilian, military charter, and straight military. I have flown on flights as long as 13 hours, and all the fore mentioned before the advent of PTV's. How did one keep their sanity in those days was not too hard. You simply packed a book bag with food, magazines, comics, books, and the all important game boy with about 20 batteries.

I can understand that some companies have gone deliberately out of their way to get factory stocked aircraft with PTV's and on board IFE that would blow the minds out of the people used to flying without it. I can understand that having a mind flushing screen 2 feet infront of you can make the journey a little more bearable and less boring.

I do have to wonder why you people have to sit there and complain like 3 year olds. WAH, i do not have my PTV, no IFE, OMG my brain is going to explode! Do you people bring books anymore? Do you buy magazines anymore?

Witht he mobile device boom you can bring just about any entertainment with you, you want. You can bring your entire stereo library on an iPOD. You can bring a portable DVD player and 2 batteries. You could bring your game boy or the likes.

People seem to think oh good PTV's now I can "veg" out on the plane. So people don't bring any entertainment. WHOOPS your PTV doesn't work, I'm terribly sorry. Oh crap no entertainment period.

I truely think IFE is going to become the "standard" on aircraft. It is still VERY new in the aviation industry, and for airlines with aircraft already in the fleet you have to give them a little bit of what people call "PATIENCE" to implement these systems. Remember when "Air Phones" first came out. They were at flight attendant stations and you placed your credit card in the slot and there were only 2 available on the aircraft. Now wide or narrow body it doesn't matter cause every seat has a phone or phone easily accessible. That took a long time for airlines to implement, and I'm sure had A.net been around we would have seen this very same type discussion about it..

GIVE THE AIRLINES TIME. I'm sure it is on their "TO DO" list. So please lets cut this, airline inferiority due to the lack of IFE, crap out. It does nothing but fill the post with useless banter and retort.

Just my  twocents  and I'm sure people will offer there  twocents 

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User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6226 times:

What a useless post. If you don't like PTV threads, don't read them. And if you don't need PTVs, fly airlines which don't offer any. Easy as that.  tired 


Regards,
JM


User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

Having IFE is better than not having them... No doubt about it is it?!

If you don't like it... just don't look at it.

But for the majority of people it makes a diference... and it's better, so...


User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6220 times:
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Quoting JetMaster (Reply 1):
What a useless post

It isn't useless, it is trying to make people aware that PTV's are new and airlines are going to go this way, just need time to implement.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6203 times:

What a useful post!   LongBowPilot, don't mind Jetmaster's (Udo's) whining, he is a staunch fighter for PTV's on each and every airplane in the world (and it is his right to voice this opinion, even if I disagree with him).

I guess it comes down to personal preferences. Ordinary people, if they have to pay for their tickets themselves, will go for the best deal according to

ticket price,
schedule,
safety,
reliability
and travel time.

A PTV might be the "icing on the cake" when two offers are otherwise similar, but only a very small minority will be willing to pay more than maybe 10 or 20 Euro extra on alonghaul flight for PTV's.

Myself, I am happy if a PTV is around, but would not pay more extra than the price for a movie theatre ticket to get one on my flight. Otherwise, I don't care. It is actually nice to read a book (I hardly find any time for that otherwise), talk to my seat neighbor or just relax.

[Edited 2005-10-21 08:21:37]


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6188 times:
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What's the deal with in-flight movies?

Gee, when I first started flying we didn't have them. We could be stuck on a plane for seven hours with no movie to watch, and we survived.

And what's the deal with pressurization? Gee, when I first started flying, we didn't have that!

Your ears used to pop a lot when the aircraft was descending, and sometimes it was quite painful, but they gave you candy to suck, which helped a bit.

And what's the deal with aircraft toilets? When I first strted flying, a lot of planes didn't have them, and we just got used to holding it.

Which reminds me, what's the deal with jets? When I first started flying, we didn;t have those, and we still got there. It just took a bit longer, that's all.

 Smile

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 972 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6162 times:

This is to cater to the new generation with the attention span of a housefly. Of course, the systems have been known to crash due to pax being bored with the 82 movies and 156 live TV channels available and starting/stopping/forwarding/stopping/starting every damn movie. Can you say ADD ?

I personally have no use for PTVs.

I don't mind a common screen at the front of the cabin, or in various locations overhead, but why right in your face? I find three or four PTVs within close range flickering different images to be very annoying. People should have the right not to deal with this, and this hasn't been considered.




LD4



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User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 867 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6130 times:

Longbowpilot you raise some very valid points. If I think back to reading assignments early on in my high school years, often less than 1/2 the class ever bothered to read the books.

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 6):
This is to cater to the new generation with the attention span of a housefly

Spot on! I think PTV's are as brillant as the next person but they aren't the be all and end all. Read books, play a card game or do some puzzles, the likes of which can be found in just about any newspaper. People are homeless at the moment in central asia and some people are worried about weather they will have a PTV on thier next three hour flight! Get your priorities right people!


User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

Quoting LongbowPilot (Thread starter):
GIVE THE AIRLINES TIME. I'm sure it is on their "TO DO" list. So please lets cut this, airline inferiority due to the lack of IFE, crap out. It does nothing but fill the post with useless banter and retort.

And complaining about it is equally useless. Just ignore people who say this if you don't like it. But remember this is a discussion board and more often than not it is filled with less-than-useful posts. On a side note...imagine the first days of long-haul air travel a-la Imperial Airways when trips took days! I would take that over a PTV anyday...

-IR


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6918 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

Just to add my €0.0167, whether or not a long-haul plane has a PTV or not is a matter of indifference to me. I seldom even take the headphones out of the wee plastic bag. At least I don't have to endure a big movie screen at the front of the cabin but then I do have all around me tiny flickering screens. It's a lost cause, I know, but I wish we could go back to a good book rather than endless and mostly meretricious electronic entertainment. What I also find exasperating are all the tedious threads on A.Net about whether or not airline X have PTVs in their planes or not. That seems a step too far away from the one thing we all (I assume) have in common on this site: a love of aviation and flying. What have PTVs in Y class got to do with that?!

Humbug!


User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5984 times:
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Mariner, you are a pain in the ass most of the time, but at least we agree on something. Thanks.

I'm glad that there are people that don't subject themselves to the PTVs. Someday someone is going to get eye cancer and blam the PTVs because he flies a lot.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

I like to read a book, or chat to my neighbour, but there's only so much reading and chatting you can do on a 7-12 hour flight (especially a day flight) and I find being able to watch a movie or two, and listen to some music (the latest systems have a lot of cds available) helps the journey go by. And as the airlines with this as standard generally cost the same as those that don't offer it in Y, I'm happy to go with them.

I'm sorry, but once the journey goes past a couple hours, any love of aviation is bypassed by a desire to get there as quickly as possible with as much to do as possible!



it's the bus to stansted (now renamed national express a4 to ruin my username)
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
And what's the deal with aircraft toilets? When I first strted flying, a lot of planes didn't have them, and we just got used to holding it.

Yea when you travel on small planes you don't have them too. Eother hold it in, piss in a bottle or use the 'storm window' wisely. Big grin


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5933 times:

Quoting A360 (Reply 2):
Having IFE is better than not having them... No doubt about it is it?!

Wrong.
I prefer not having a flashing screen less than half a meter from my face when I want to sleep or read.
I prefer to have that extra 5cm of legroom instead of an extra-thick seatback in front of me because someone decided to put that flashing screen I don't want there.
I prefer my ticket to be a bit cheaper because the aircraft was a ton lighter for not having all those flashing screens in every seatback.
I prefer to make my own entertainment with a portable CD player and a book rather than having to watch to some B-rated (or worse) movie that's been cut specially to remove any hint of things going wrong with aircraft.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 13):
Wrong.
I prefer not having a flashing screen less than half a meter from my face when I want to sleep or read.
I prefer to have that extra 5cm of legroom instead of an extra-thick seatback in front of me because someone decided to put that flashing screen I don't want there.
I prefer my ticket to be a bit cheaper because the aircraft was a ton lighter for not having all those flashing screens in every seatback.
I prefer to make my own entertainment with a portable CD player and a book rather than having to watch to some B-rated (or worse) movie that's been cut specially to remove any hint of things going wrong with aircraft.

Nobody is forcing you to watch it?

I find IFE a godsend... on a long flight it can really help alleviate the first 4 or so hours. Then I read for 1.5 hours or so, then sleep  Smile


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5904 times:

I can imagine how great a red-ey flight must be watching Ron Popiel saying "Set it and forget it" or listening to Carleton Sheets tell you how much you can make in real estate with "no money down".

User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

I read. Some don't. And some like to watch their landing gear problems on live TV.  Wink

Quoting LongbowPilot (Thread starter):
books

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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
What's the deal with in-flight movies?

Yeah - and after being forced to watch Bewitched for the 3rd time in two weeks, I wanted to flush the IFE down the toilet .....

With my Nomad, a book and a couple of magazines, I can easily ride out an 8 hour flight.



- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
User currently offline4xRuv From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

Quoting LongbowPilot (Reply 3):
It isn't useless, it is trying to make people aware that PTV's are new and airlines are going to go this way, just need time to implement.

Come on, PTV in Y is there for more than 10 years, how much time do they need?
I think the reason for not installing PTV is cost. Rather than the immediate cost of installation, think of the weight those airliners who don't install the PTVs save. When the technology for wireless IFE will be developed enough even Lufthansa will adopt it.


User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5826 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 17):
Yeah - and after being forced to watch Bewitched for the 3rd time in two weeks, I wanted to flush the IFE down the toilet .....

You were forced to watch a PTV?  Wow!


User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5822 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 17):
Yeah - and after being forced to watch Bewitched for the 3rd time in two weeks, I wanted to flush the IFE down the toilet .....

With my Nomad, a book and a couple of magazines, I can easily ride out an 8 hour flight.

Yeah - and you're obviously a frequent flier used to this. You have to remember the vast majority of passengers aren't like that - just regular joes off on holiday or something. They have families with kids - can you really imagine a modern child being given a book and told "here you go here's your IFE"?

PTVs make a huge difference then, it makes the journey enjoyable for everyone. Most people don't fly more than a couple of times a year tops, so it doesn't matter if Bewitched is all they play on those flights as they'll only have to see it once!

Noel.


User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5822 times:

To me, PTVs don't mean a thing. Like the original poster, I flew all over the world as a child and was engrossed in books, coloring, etc.

Today, PTVs still don't hold allure for me. This year I flew NW World Business Class to Asia. PTV with all the bells and whistles. Did I watch a single movie? Nope. I was more interested in the seat -- sleeping -- and catching up on reading.



Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5811 times:

Presumably all the people here who don't like PTV's also don't have IPODs, CD players, TVs in every room, entertainment centers, PCs, Games Consoles, oh and a cellphone .... after all you could 'just read a book' couldn't you  Yeah sure


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6918 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5798 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 22):
Presumably all the people here who don't like PTV's also don't have IPODs, CD players, TVs in every room, entertainment centers, PCs, Games Consoles, oh and a cellphone .... after all you could 'just read a book' couldn't you

You're almost right (in spite of trying to be wrong). I don't like PTVs. I don't have an iPod, I certainly don't have a game console, I don't even know what an "entertainment center" is, I don't have a cellphone (though I used to) and I have a television but it is in a little-used room and it is more than three months since I watched it. I do have a PC ( obviously) and I enjoy playing CDs as much as I enjoyed my LPs thirty years ago. (It's OK to enjoy music.) Oh, and I have rooms full of books... So you're starting to understand. Keep it up, Bond!


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 4):
A PTV might be the "icing on the cake" when two offers are otherwise similar, but only a very small minority will be willing to pay more than maybe 10 or 20 Euro extra on alonghaul flight for PTV's.

As part of the group that will pay more for a seat with PTV's, I suspect our group is larger than you might imagine.

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 7):
People are homeless at the moment in central asia and some people are worried about weather they will have a PTV on thier next three hour flight!

Based on this rationale, none of us should be posting on Anet - we should all be out raising money for the homeless.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 13):
I prefer to have that extra 5cm of legroom instead of an extra-thick seatback in front of me because someone decided to put that flashing screen I don't want there.

That is your choice, and you should be able to exercise it. I recommend Delta for all your cross Atlantic travel....


25 Post contains images Bond007 : Well all very good, but you not representative of the majority of airline passengers. THAT'S why they have PTVs Jimbo
26 PM : But I don't have to be "representative of the majority of airline passengers" (and I'm sure that in this regard I'm not); I only have to be represent
27 Bond007 : Well, as opposed to simply complaining about PTV's or saying how great they are ... which could go on for 500 posts since everyone has an opinion ...
28 Post contains images PM : I know. Sad, isn't it? Even worse.
29 Ryan h : Personally I don't mind having the PTV there, although on my last flights to and from England I did not play with them much. During the day the camera
30 AirCanada014 : Hello all PTV are for entertaining people if they have nothing else to do. Besides I can't wait to use one on AC's flight. Don't forget AC will be the
31 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : I'll give a second opinion. I also flew all over the world as a child (parent's early postings were in SIN and HKG). At the time we would fly either
32 Goingboeing : Hmmm...with the advent of the video I-pod, how soon do you think it will be before passengers bring their OWN entertainment, and the PTV becomes litt
33 Post contains images Bond007 : Not too long Jimbo
34 Post contains images JetMaster : Oh - which airline's pitch is so bad that you have a PTV "right in your face"? Btw - why don't you just turn it off if you don't like it? Hm, must ha
35 Planesarecool : Wow! I can't believe so many people can actually live without PTV's. My family would personally book to fly Virgin to have a PTV (when they were one o
36 StevenG : Sometimes, the complaints from travellers that there was no IFE on their 50 minutes flight on a LCC are really laughable. It is nice if it is on board
37 Geoffm : You moan about PTVs yet take a Gameboy. Hmm. Methinks you're talking out of your backside. Geoff M.
38 Post contains images ManchesterMAN : I'm a big fan of the movies but I simply don't get enough chance to go to the cinema these days so the majority of movies I watch are on aircraft and
39 Sabena332 : For all those who don't like PTV's: There is still the "Off" button on planes with PTV's, unfortunately there is no "On" button on planes without PTV'
40 Post contains images Richard28 : Simple, it's a question of choice. You choose what you want to wach (and in the case of AVOD, when), or what to read, or to sleep. PTV's give you ulti
41 ContnlEliteCMH : I think there's plenty of doubt. I fly four segments per week, and none of those planes have video screens, let alone IFE. My most important criteria
42 Planesarecool : Speaking for myself here, i am not "obsessed" with aviation, and i don't fly just for no reason at all. So when i do fly it's for a purpose and if it
43 ContnlEliteCMH : Hardly. Why, today I spent about 4.5 combined hours on two of Continental's 735's. I too want entertainment, so I read about 100 pages of a Tom Clanc
44 Planesarecool : Ok, on two shorter flights its fine, i have no problems without a PTV, i'm just talking about 11 hour flights from London to California or 9 hours to
45 Post contains images LongbowPilot : Exactly, and consumers should give airlines, in these ailing time, a break on install and availability. On the contrary, I enjoy my laptop and MP3 pl
46 Jacobin777 : Besides the obvious (i.e safety, service), I prefer no PTV's but a laptop port so I can watch my movies, videos, tunes, read magazines and get work do
47 GEnxPower : I have just bought a ticket last week, a long haul CVG-ORD-NRT, and I paid more for AA because of their PTV in their 772's as compared to CVG-DTW-NRT
48 ContnlEliteCMH : THAT is the only thing I wish I had on every flight I take -- some sort of GPS. I always want to know where I am, where I'm heading, what my altitude
49 Bond007 : Like I said earlier - we can have 500 posts about who here likes PTVs and who doesn't. Your 'real reason for flying' is exactly that ... your reason.
50 Post contains images MiCorazonAzul : Wrong. Atleast on JetBlue....you have the option of having it on or off. So, if YOU don't want to watch it, simply don't turn it on. The vast majorit
51 Flying Belgian : At equal service level, IFE makes the difference as far as I am concerned. FB.
52 Muttley35 : LGW to DFW or CDG to ATL with two young children, PTV's ya gotta love em.
53 Galeaocumbica : Hi all, Just bought a ticket from STN to PSA, with FR and just paid £ 27. Happy? Yes, I am very happy. It is cheaper than a return train ticket to LG
54 Ncfc99 : Flew to Australia with EK last year. IFE on most of the time, but only on the camera or flight info channel. Apart from watching the take off's and la
55 NWA757boy : I have never been gifted enough to fly on an a/c with PTVs. I have flown transatlantic several times with BA-767, NW DC-10, and KLM 747 and all those
56 Post contains images SW733 : I personally really appreciate PTVs...they make a long, sometimes god awfully boring flight (ie - Paris to Hong Kong, New York to Johannesburg, Chicag
57 Christao17 : Seems pretty obvious that PTVs (especially with AVOD) are something that consumers want. Otherwise the airlines wouldn't be installing them. Meanwhile
58 QXFLYINGCOUG : I'm almost 20 and I love to fly you should think that's enough to keep me entertained but NOPE! I love having the PTV's, it's too bad not more airline
59 Shamrock_747 : I'm not too excited by PTVs - on a BA flight I'll usually watch the BBC News after takeoff and then just leave it on Skymap for the rest of the flight
60 Jeffrito : One thing I miss: the shared camaraderie of having the whole cabin watching the same presentation. Great waking up on Swissair with Mr. Bean or Wallac
61 AirbusA6 : I'm sorry, but flights over large stretches of water aren't exciting! One bit of the Atlantic or Pacific at 30000 feet looks much the same as any othe
62 FRAspotter : And yours isn't?......
63 Aerofan : well i'm am avid reader - but i do my level best to avoid carriers without pvts. and they better have avod as well. the reason why i do most of my fly
64 AnsettB727 : Flown LAX-SYD recently, or other ultra-long haul routes? I won't fly UA back home because I'm scared of getting bored. Let's face it, in almost 15 hou
65 Post contains images Amhilde : IFE is on my list, but probably under price and time and FF program, around par with "have I flown this airline before?" and "have I flown this aircra
66 LongbowPilot : I think internet would be a true pioneer. I remember something about Lufthunsa having internet in F/C, anyone know? I would be in paradise if they of
67 Jwenting : flickering screen in front of your face for hours, no way to turn it off... I've carried my own entertainment in the form of a book and maybe a walkm
68 SAS330GOT : you mention the iPod, before I got one I was fine, but after it I do not understand how I lived without one. I think this is the same as PTV's once yo
69 JetMaster : At least I do not start threads in order to comment negatively other people's (justified) preferences and habits... Regards, JM
70 Bond007 : PTV's What is the Big Deal ?? Here is your answer: Jimbo
71 LongbowPilot : Thank you, good summation.
72 Blrsea : I find it difficult to sleep sitting upright, whether in a bus, train, car of flight. And i get tired because of not being able to sleep. PTVs are a g
73 LongbowPilot : What gets me more than anything else is how people say the flight is "tolerable" I don't understand that because the flight is a flight, IFE not withs
74 Eoinnz : Well my post is so far down the list hopefully someone will read this!! Hi to you people who read this far!!! I love having the PTV there - It most ce
75 SparkingWave : I used to be excited about IFE and PTVs, but these days I mostly ignore them on long-hauls (except for Airshow). Last year I flew between ICN and JFK
76 Bmi332 : yes, on a Virgin Atlantic 747 (G-VROY) it flickered for hours before conking out completely
77 Post contains images SW733 : Flying is god awful these days, especially in coach where I always fly. PTV makes it at least somewhat, yes I'll say it, tolerable...now, if flying w
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